Hmm, thats what I was going to start doing actually. I just realized a few times you had mentioned some of those and I was interested if someone had saved the data off the site.
The other frame data would probably require someone hacking the rom and making a frame tool of some sort. Wayyyy out of my range. Total move frames would be pretty easy to do with frame skips though.
is shredderās jump 0 frames like arms? I canāt hit him with a meaty without him flipping out. Iām using jump attacks with lots of active frames.
Also that os loop from chrome works on war too. After the epd if you do jump fierce and he tries to jump out, heāll get air reset and you can loop back to the low short as a meaty because you recover much sooner. So free.
Need to figure out reversal startup. Want to test safejump setups.
Also would people be interested in walk info?
Turtles donāt have universal walkspeed for instance. Also Chromes f.walk is really interesting. I canāt tell if it has acceleration or not, but the first frame or two actually moves him backwards which is weird.
Try getting Xenozip or someone to make a script to show hitboxes. lol (good luck)
That would be sick
Arm has two corner kill loops on turtles/war that start from his punch throw, havenāt seen this mentioned so yeah
Loop #1 is really simple
in corner
hp throw, unblockable lp fireball, 2 hit heavy shark upper(dizzy)
Vs. war itās a bit easier if you take a slight step back before throwing the fireball because of how fat he is. Harder on him overall though. Donāt know if it redizzies, but it doesnāt matter because the 2nd rep kills.
Loop #2 is slightly more complicated, but simple enough
slightly out of corner
hp throw, unblockable lp fireball, tk divekick, cr.hk(dizzy), loop #1
Basically this variant is for when you are outside of the corner by a bit and canāt reach with the shark upper.
Theoretically there should be a loop #3 but I havenāt been able to connect it, the dive always whiffs but the sweep connects or vice versa.
Loop #3 is a theoretical midscreen variant of Loop#2 that would allows Arm to kill turtles or war from anywhere on the screen with a single throw
hp throw, walk forward, unblockable lp fireball, walk forward, tk divekick, cr.hk(dizzy), repeat or loop #1/#2 if pushed to corner.
I donāt see why Loop #3 isnāt possible, but my execution/the game eating inputs during fireball hitstop(i hate this bug) isnāt letting me do it. The charge requirements, and the walking, and the perfect tk divekick just make it tough especially when the game can flatout ignore inputs.
Anyways Iāve only practiced Loop #3 for 10 minutes, I figure if someone put the time and effort in they could get it down and have a nifty 100%, cause Arm needs that haha.
Watching some play at Skillionaire a few weeks back and I saw Nerdjosh not outright killing turtles after he landed a throw, so I was a little confused as I thought Arm unblockables were common knowledge.
Ah yesā¦I remember this game. My fav character was Chrome Dome back in the day mainly because of the Electric Pile Driver. ;p Of course, seeing him self destruct for his Ultimate was fun to see. Got to play this game for Blockbuster World Game Championship on Super NES and came in 2nd place.
Very fun fighting game from way back in the day. 
Is there any cheats for this to set up at least a fake training mode for this game or is it something I have to do on my own?
I just ended up training through the arcade mode when I played this game.
Youād have to set up your own cheats.
I generally just use a lot of rewind to retest stuff.
Also Mikes non redizzy 100% has such tight timing. j.hp/hk, st.lp xx hp rising thunder(dizzy) then repeat.
I know Iāve been double posting a lot, but Iāve been going in mad hard on this the last few days, so I want to bump it up whenever I get some new stuff down.
Trick #1 Additional combo opportunity on crouchers
on crouching Shredder, Aska and Arm all attacks inflict additional hitstun. This allows for combos like cr.lp x 2 xx rising thunder from Mike, or st.lk, st.lk+hk from Shredder. Hilariously enough this still doesnāt let War combo as far as I can tell. Poor War.
Trick #2 grounded "overheads"
While itās commonly known that sometimes things are seemingly randomly unblockable Iāve found a reproducable string that lets you set up grounded āoverheadsā on Aska and Arm with certain characters. The setup is basically forcing them to block an attack closely then following up with a grounded attack which is not crouchblockable.
the last hit in all listed strings is the overhead. This isnāt a complete list, itās just showing stuff I found in 10 minutes of screwing around on a per character basis. Also each setup assumes your opponent cr.blocks the whole string. The only exceptions are the ones that start with a jumpin.
Raph
j.whatever, st.lp
cr.lp, st.lp
cl.lp, st.lp
cl.lk, st.lp
cr.lp, st.hp(inconsistent)
cr.hk xx powerdrill
cr.hp xx powerdrill
cl.hp xx powerdrill
This is especially dangerous with Raph as he can cancel the st.lp overhead into chestbuster, and he has very good lows.
Mike
j.whatever, st.lp
cr.lp, st.lp
st.lk, st.lp
cr.lp, st.lp+st.hp(inconsistent)
cl.lp xx lp dragonbreath
cr.lp xx lp dragonbreath
While Mikeās options arenāt quite as deadly as Raphās because of his weak lows, heās able to get some decent stuff here. If you have charge you can cancel the st.lp overheads into rising thunders.
Leo
j.whatever, cl.hp(very inconsistent)
j.whatever, cl.hk(arm only)
cl.lk, cl.lk+hk(arm only)
cr.lk, cl.lk+hk(arm only)
st.lk, st.lk+cl.hk(arm only)
st.lk, st.hp(inconsistent)
Leo is lacking in options sadly. The overhead roundhouse seems to be the only option he should go for really. If someone can figure out how to make the hp stuff work better though heād be a beast using this.
Don
j.whatever, st.hp 1 hit(inconsistent)
j.whatever, cl.hk(arm only)
cl.lk, cl.lk+hk(arm only)
cr.lk, cl.lk+hk(arm only)
cr.lp, cl.hk(arm only)
Don has similar options to Leo, but canāt do the st.lk variant from as far away as Leo.
Shredder
j.whatever, far hp
cr.lp, far.lp+hp(arm only)
st.lk, far.hp(arm only)
cr.lk, far.hp(arm only)
cr.lk, cr.lp, far lp+hp(arm only)
While Shredder can only get anything going on arm, he has the benefit going that he can hit confirm into the overhead from his normal bnb low string. If Arm stands up to avoid the overhead he has to deal with Shredderās ridiculous sweep(which does over 14% damage and about 40% stun)
Chrome
j.whatever, cl.hp
cr.lk, cl.hp
cl.lk, cl.hp
cr.lk, cr.lk, cr.hp
cl.lk, cr.lk, cr.hp
Chrome pretty much doesnāt need this stuff at all, if you block vs. him you should be getting hit by epd, but you can do this if you like. If they st.block the hp somehow you can do an os epd in the corner or midscreen if the string was short. Somewhat more useful vs. Aska as she seems harder to epd than arm.
Arm
blocked whatever, tk dive(inconsistent on aska)
blocked fireball close, cl.hk(aska only?)
Canāt find much with Arm, though obviously overhead tk dives are stupid especially when mixed up with sweep.
Wingnut
blocked deep moonbuster, tk lk dive
only thing I could find for wingnut, I guess you could use it after a throw as a meaty setup.
War
cl.lk, cl.lk
cl.lk, cr.lk
cr.hp, far.hk
cr.hp, far.hp
Wait War can do something advanced? woooh. Well not really the cr.hp strings are only consistent in the corner and you are way out of his low range, so simply high block after a blocked cr.hp and you are fine. The st.lk stuff leads to an unblockable cr.lk, which is pretty cool, but it takes 30(yes THIRTY) cr.lks to kill a character.
Aska
blocked j.whatever, cr.hk
cl.lp, cr.lk(aska only)
cl.lp, cr.hk(aska only)
Aska can setup an unblockable cr.hk which lets her start offense, but her bad cr.lk hurts her mixup potential here. If she can loop the jumpin setup in the mirror that would be cool.
Anyways, play around with this, I probably didnāt find everything.
Veserius you are hyping this too damn much and I love it. Please keep posting good stuff. I love this game. I will be hosting a few matches of this possibly this weekend, no streaming (sadface) but I ill upload everything we rec. Dont expect high level thoā¦ :lame:
Thanks, Iāve started damage/stun analysis for the entire cast. Damage seems to be stable for the most part, the only move Iāve found with inconsistent damage values is wingnutās dive, but the variation is slight. Iāll have this formatted and completed sometime this week. Iām also doing a walk speed analysis.
Longest((11.5~ backdashes))
Museum
Tier 2(11~ backdashes)
Cafeteria
Noh-Stage
Tier 3(7.5~ backdashes)
Thunder Dome
Tier 4(7~ backdashes)
Pirate Ship
Sky Palace
Mount Olympus
Scrapyard
Metal Works
The Dynamics of fighting on Alley is so different than the longer stages. Pretty much any bnb that leads to a knockdown or landing a throw is going to corner the opponent. This is especially bad for 2p because the right corner has a lot of unblockable setups. I realized it was short, but not almost twice as short as the longer stages. Arm can pretty much say GG to turtles+war so easily on this stage, chrome can say the same to wingnut and war, and I know Wingnut has right corner unblockables on most of the cast so if he can land a throw he can go into unblockable into dizzy, then kill or almost kill off of it. I would suggest it be banned.
The longer stages vs. the mid size stages is interesting, and they provide different advantages to different characters, but itās not as stark as it is on Alley. Keepaway is obviously strong on Museum/Cafeteria/Noh, but I think all of the characters in this game with strong keepway also have a great inside or midrange game, so itās hard to determine what is more advantageous, and it would essentially come down to specific matchups. The shorter stages are probably better for Aska and Shredder as they arenāt free in the corner, and donāt like having to chase people down. On paper it should help Wingnut to play on shorter stages offensively, but he canāt afford to get knocked down in the corner in certain matchups at all, so itās hard to judge what exactly heās better on.
I have noticed some stuff like that (random dmg) on combos involving Leo FP Endless Screw (Fp xx Fp Endless Screw). Sometimes it drains like 30% by itself or so? Cant remember well. (Im cloudy right now btw, there are instances on that the ES (endless screw) act as a multi hit? Hiting only with the tips of the blades? And sometimes it knckdowns on one hit? I have TOO MUCH time withouth playing!)
Thanks again for your info man
The lifebars arenāt consistent, that really adds to the ambiguity of how much damage some things do.
75% life looks about right, though itās obviously a bit off
Half health also looks around 40%, though a bit lower.
When the lifebar starts flashing you are actually at 25% health even though it looks like you have much less.
10% health looks like you are dead basically but in this scenario the opposing shredder could actually get hit by most jabs and shorts or block 2 Crushers and a Knee and still live. Funny enough it takes 6 nj.lpās from shredder to kill someone at 10% health. Itās tied for the weakest move in the game Iāve seen so far. It does 1/3 of the damage of a normal jab/short for whatever reason.
Life has a correlation to super meter gain as well. The life amounts while estimates because I donāt know exact damage values should be pretty much correct within 1% margin of error.
100% life to 76% life = 1.0~ gain
75% life to 56% life =1.25~ gain
55% life to 41% life =1.5~ gain
40% life to 30% life = 2.0~ gain
25% life to 6% life = 3.0~ gain
5% life till you die = 4.0~ gain
Endless screw goes to a multi hit version if the first hit whiffs, or if it is blocked. It doesnāt combo from st.hp if the first hit whiffs as far as I can tell.
Veserius you are a goddamn scientist. I want to buy you a drink for doing this.
Forgot to measure boss stages, guess Iāll do that today
added a donate link in my sig just for you, make it a reality hahah. Paypal takes minimum 30 cents out of every transaction, just saying.
100% of life = 96 points(60 in hex) weird thing is there is technically 3 life bars.
Basically the lesser your health = the harder to kill you? Pre 3S āgutsā system? wow
Also is great that the bar of the one ālosingā fills faster. Comeback mechanics anyone?
I meant there is 3 places in the memory where it records health.
interesting, so my assumption was on
technically no because the amount of hits it takes to kill you doesnāt actually change depending on your life. The way it is visually displayed is changed is all
Yeah who needs ultras! 400% meter gain, we in there.