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Only thing Ironman does that hurts is his level 3.
What does Trish do better than Morrigan other than zone/assist/build meter? I don’t know. Morrigan has better combos, way more set ups on offense, OTGs without an assist (though it requires meter), better flight combos, has a more useful level 3, better instant overheads, a command grab, better throw range. It’s just my opinion. Morrigan’s probably not too much better than Trish. Morrigan is ass on point, but Trish isn’t. Trish is ass as an anchor, but Morrigan with meter and x-factor is not.
Why does this thread even exist? If this thread put together top tier teams I could see a use but this is another “my opinion of the best” that could have easily been a post in the original thread.
Dante is S tier or A++ tier. He has way too many damned tools, build meter way too well, works incredible with a protective assist like Tron/Haggar, works nearly as well with a projectile assist/tatsu/drones…can’t go wrong with this guy. His open ended bold cancel/jump cancel = 40 special move based play style will have it so he will obviously be a completely new threat in a year from what he is now. He’s already ridiculous now and still far untapped.
Who cares if his combos build meter…meter is so easy to get in this game they’re going to get it whether you build it for them or not. Flash Metroid also has Dante in S tier like I had always originally thought he was so I’m pretty much set on him being one of the kings of the game. The only thing he’s somewhat weak to is throws/frame traps but to let the opponent get in range to do that consistently you really have to be off on your spacing/zoning. You can’t really fuck up with Dante unless you as the player fuck up and those types of characters make top of the food chain.
There seems to be a complete lack of tiers and relatively good balance in this game, which is why I keep wondering why people keep trying to make tier lists.
Personally, I think making a tier list right now is pointless, largely because many characters haven’t been the subject of much exploration. We’ve seen a ton of In the Lab with (Magneto, Wesker, Dante, insert other character here) but characters like Felicia or Viewtiful Joe haven’t been given nearly as much exploration or effort. Likewise we have Chris G who is using Ryu, considered to be low/mid tier and consistantly sweeping the East coast.
iron man gets 850k upwards with one assist and one meter , besides he builds 2 and a half meters in one combo for that level 3 to kill any character anyways
lool @ what dose she do better than zone assist and build meter like that isnt a solid argument in itself but , add better mix ups and damage to your list
First and foremost, tier lists in team games is stupid in general; unless we’re talking about one extremely unbalanced game. Yeah… yall know what game I’m hinting at too. But as far as silly tier lists go, this one is pretty screwed up.
Phoenix -> Cannot be tier ranked, period. The problem here is that while she has the POTENTIAL to be the most devastating character in the game, she is also the only character in the game that dies to any “complete” basic combo. She will always have to have her own tier pretty much… though to be honest I’d say she shares one with Wesker. And if you do want to pair her into one, she wouldn’t get past A-tier for the aforementioned reason.
Dante -> S tier for a character that has to do execution-heavy combos just to do the damage other characters do without trying? Not to mention I’m not positive any character in the game, overall, has slower normals than Dante. If Dante didn’t have his range, dare I say he’d be ass, and I’m saying this with him being one of my day one characters. Dante would be A-tier, max, and B-tier wouldn’t be the most ridiculous spot for him either.
Wesker -> S tier is debatable here. First of all, Wesker doesn’t hit very hard by himself. The very mechanics of his character make it near impossible to do more than around 700k on his own, unless you start a combo off a counter. Wesker is one of those characters who either moves up or down on tier placement based on his surrounding team. Not to mention, as good as Wesker is, he can be zoned out pretty handily on some occasions. However, because tier lists are moreso on solo character merit, he’s an A-tier character imo.
Amaterasu -> How you managed to place THE most versatile character in the game in A-tier while placing Dante in S-tier is absolutely perplexing. Amaterasu is an EASY S tier placement because she has to tools to do EVERYTHING herself. She has the potential to 1 hit kill the entire cast w/o help, she’s one of the fastest characters, she has great mobility, she has great rushdown and zoning options, she has a full screen punish, she can both start and finish DHC glitch combos, she has counters, and she’s the worst matchup for MULTIPLE characters. Even characters that don’t have any true “bad” matchups have issues with her (Wesker and Magneto, for example). And as I mentioned earlier, tier lists are based on single character merit. If there’s any character that is definitively an S-tier placement, it’s Amaterasu.
Dormammu -> As much as I love Dorm, he’s a B-tier placement at most. First of all, in an extremely heavy offense-based game, his weakness is rushdown. Secondly, without X factor or assists, his damage output is extremely mediocre compared to several of the other characters in this game. His rushdown options are almost Tron-like. If he didn’t have 8 way dash, they would be Tron-like. To top it off, he isn’t very fast, and he’s a huge target.
Taskmaster -> I won’t put up a huge argument for his placement in A-tier, but I do feel like he probably belongs more in B-tier for the simple fact that getting in with him can prove difficult. He has great damage output and health, but you’ll often see that if he doesn’t kill his target if and when he does get in, his target usually kills him first. He’s also got some bad matchups against a few of the more-used characters in the game.
Ryu -> I don’t know where you get the idea that the most “average” character in the game is in the bottom tier. There’s no reason for him to be place with the likes of Thor and Jill. He has good health, he can punish full screen at multiple angles. He can hit hard. He has a projectile assist. While he isn’t the best, he certainly isn’t the worst, and is a miserable candidate for the bottom tier. He certainly isn’t in a lesser tier than “assist characters” like Haggar and Tron. And he damn sure isn’t in a lower tier than MODOK or Captain America. He doesn’t “take alot of work” either. Hell… he even has arguably the easiest mission mode in the game. EVERYONE can do SOMETHING with Ryu. Easy C-tier placement.
Chun-Li -> Pretty much the same argument here as Ryu. Chun-li is not reasonably unusable, which is what being in the bottom tier generally entails. She’s a great lockdown assist character and also has great x-factor potential. And again, she certainly isn’t in a lesser tier than MODOK and Captain America. C -Tier
M.O.D.O.K -> MODOK doesn’t have an particularly great assists, and while he can be annoying, he’s pretty much the definition of what you described as a D-tier character (he’s difficult to do good damage with compared to the rest of the cast). D-tier placement.
Captain America -> Same as MODOK. The definition of a D-tier character by your explanation of it.
X-23 -> I’ve got nothing against X-23 as a character. In fact I’ve off and on considered maining her. But I see no reason that she isn’t a C-tier placement. Her health isn’t too great, she doesn’t have the trickiest of mixups if you comprehend her movements, her damage output isn’t that high, and she doesn’t have the best assists ever. She’s got her speed and “under the radar” factor going for her. C-Tier placement.
Iron Man -> Iron Man is exactly what you described as a C-Tier character. He’s also got rather strange hitboxes, and you generally see Iron Man (the few times he’s picked) spend alot more time dying than doing any actual fighting.
Deadpool -> Deadpool honestly needs his own tier in between B and C. There’s not a strong enough of an argument to put him in B-tier, yet there’s also not a strong enough counter argument for him to be in C tier. Either or is fine really, but I’d probably put him in C tier.
Super Skrull -> If you want to call B-tier the big sleeper category, you can’t leave out Super Skrull. He’s got very useful command grabs, his damage output is good, he’s got good health, he isn’t overly slow, it isn’t hard to do good damage with him… there’s really not much against him besides potential matchup issues. Even so, that’s not enough to overshadow his strong points. Also, depending on how long you’ve been following Marvel, you may or may not have seen that Super Skrull was one of the original annoying characters pre-release. By that I mean, before everyone was picking Sentinel, everyone was picking Super Skrull. The other used-to-death character was Deadpool.
Felicia -> Free unblockables… only argument needed to keep her out of the bottom tier. C-Tier placement.
C. Viper -> Same as Skrull here. If B-tier is the sleeper category, C. Viper has to be in it. She can punish ALOT of things other characters can only block against. She’s got great options for zoning or playing rushdown. She builds meter well, and can be useful building it for later characters as well as using it for herself. Her execution is definitely of the heavier variety, but it’s not so difficult that she can’t be a B-tier placement.
Akuma -> Another tricky placement. His health and somewhat lack of options for getting in safely w/o an assist puts him in B-tier. His X factor potential and assist put him in A tier. Though he’s my favorite fighting character of all time, he’s a high B tier placement.
With all that said… imo, despite tier lists for team games being generally retarded, if one had to exist it would presently be (Listed in order of rank within the tiers as well)
S-Tier
[LIST]
[]Wolverine
[]Magneto
[]Amaterasu
[/LIST]
A-Tier
[LIST]
[]Phoenix
[]Wesker
[/LIST]
A-Tier
[LIST]
[]She Hulk
[]Zero
[]Dante
[]Sentinel
[/LIST]
B-Tier
[LIST]
[]Akuma
[]Taskmaster
[]Dormammu
[]Storm
[]C. Viper
[]Trish
[]Doctor Doom
[]Spencer
[]Spider Man
[]Super Skrull
[/LIST]
C-Tier
[LIST]
[]Deadpool
[]Tron
[]Iron Man
[]X-23
[]Ryu
[]Hulk
[]Chris
[]Felicia
[]Shuma Gorath
[]Chun-Li
[]Morrigan
[]Haggar
[/LIST]
D-Tier
[LIST]
[]Jill
[]Viewtiful Joe
[]Arthur
[]Thor
[]M.O.D.O.K
[]Captain America
[*]Hsien-Ko
[/LIST]
Some of those are interchangeable for their spots 1 up or 1 down… I just didn’t feel like making a bunch of arrows to notate it. Also, C-tier could DEFINITELY start with Spider Man. If it weren’t for his insta-kill Phoenix tech, C-tier would start with him.
Storm belongs to C tier. That “he brings in the useless *****?” moment in East Coast Throwdown has really shown how far she has fallen in this game and how nobody dares to pick her anymore. She’s essentially a Magneto with no damage, better range but slower normals, completely useless specials and essentially she’s useless outside of Ice Storm. Which people are increasingly getting smart at dealing with.
And Skrull belongs to D tier, I would argue he could very well be the very bottom. No one in this game gets punished more easily than him, it’s just too difficult to attack with him without being killed by his poor recovery in almost everything. In this game that’s just too big a weakness to be made up by any damage he can deal.
As interesting as these threads are, I have more fun reading matchup threads to learn how to beat these top tier characters instead of just adapting the ol’ “If ya can’t beat 'em join 'em” bandwagon.
My top 5 are Wolv/Mag/Ammy/Wesker/Dante
Phoenix should be in her own tier cuz her placing on the tier list is situational. Her w/ 5 bars and/or XFactor on deck is a completely different story than her w/o it. We should just have a her in Phoenix tier…put that shyt on top of the whole cast since she’s such a wild card.
It doesn’t really matter, especially if you have no argument to begin with. It’s all IMO and IYO. 
morrigsns damage is bad all her moves hit to many times and scaling rapes morrigan , her mixups are not great because she has no fast low , her dash is stupid bad
trish has solid damage better high low and cross ups and the best dive kick in the game
trish outclasses morrigan in every way except health
happy now?
In respsonse to orginial tier list. Shuma-Gorath is d tier, even having placed in tournies with shuma I would still rank him as bottom 5 character, even with assists he has a really hard time against anyone who knows the matchup. Sentinal is not A-tier instead of spelling it out myself just go watch running sets with combofiend and mike ross. Ammy is definently not S tier glad to see that, she is to brittle and predictable to be S. Also taskmaster is A class his high priority and chips makes him very dangerous to approach or zone and his airgrab game is incredible. Akuma is not A-tier, he actually has lots of bad matchups and most of his tools are punishable like tatsu’s and overheads etc. I would also swap doom and viper for sure, I think i could block doom’s with my eyes closed since its actually really easy to stop his crossup medium and all his air attacks are really slow. i also feel cpt. America is bottom five since almost nothing he does is safe solo. I could prolly come up with more notes but let people try and bash this for now.
Actually Ammy can 1 hit kill the entire cast granted she has 5 meters, has an opponent cornered and the player is competent with the glaive. She could probably be S tier.
As for X-23, I don’t think health is a good argument seeing that no one really factors health in a game where if you get hit once you’re likely going to die (even if X-23 seems easy to hit to you). I remember when Keits used to say she was “the better Wolverine”… but Wolverine himself said nothing replaces the original… and Wolverine was right lol. She belongs in B imo. With the right assists, she’s nastier than most. There still aren’t many X-23 players out there using her movements with the right assists let alone her mirage feints with bnb combos and even moreso her mirage feint cancel for potential frame traps. Her damage output is quite average at best. I’d put her as a C as well based on most of the X-23 play I’ve seen on stream.
She’s predictable alright… “I’m going to air dash and spam C to throw you and there’s nothing you can do about it”. Totally S.
Spiderman should be S and Felicia should be A.
Yes. Cause you’re free now.
Bad Morrigan players will use that stupid s.H which scales her damage, but instead use the f+s.H instead to go into air->flight combos->ground combo->launch into air combo->flight combo->super(if cornered, shadow blade into another super 2 more times). Morrigan’s standing and crouching lows have a 4 frame startup (fastest in the game) which is faster than Trish’s lows which have a 5 frame startup. Morrigan’s dash is made to use with a low hitting assist makes it useful for unblockable setups, crossups or to apply pressure after flight canceling a fireball. Trish is not suitable for applying pressure. Her divekick is just fast enough to allow her to even consider it an option.
You should probably up your frame data knowledge on Trish and your Morrigan knowledge overall. You sound like March 2011.
Thor is S tier for sure. Not sure why you put him almost dead last…
His basic damage is incredible, not to mention his X factor lvl 1, 2 or 3 are deadly. Sure, he’s slow, but that damage is killer
thor’s pretty good imo, he’s kind of a toolbox character like taskmaster but he’s got a different pool of tools.
his mixup game is actually insanely terrifying (one of the best trijumps, instant land command throw trijump, etc.) and you pretty much never want to jump near him because his air command throw. he has no trouble getting in on zoners either because TK/air mighty strike is so ridiculous.
the comedic thing is that his air mighty spark is one of the better air projectiles too because the L version comes out strangely fast and covers so much space
that untechable command throw stuff is really funny, alongside the tech traps from his regular throw.
he also does giant amounts of damage for very little middle.
mighty spark assist leaves people standing so it’s more or less a ghetto unibeam, and the mighty smash assist is completely invulnerable when you alpha counter over to it and leads to very very high damaging (or kill depending on partners) combos.
i think he’s one of the characters that’s more slept despite having a giant bucketlist of BS.
Hrm… Well, I havn’t seen any Ammy combos that could do 1.25 mil w/o X-factor. Didn’t know she could do that. Think about the highest I’ve seen would have registered just over 1.1 mil. But if she can, all the more reason she’s S tier. Like I said, she’s S-tier even w/o that kind of damage output imo.
As for X-23, health is a great argument, for any character. Despite this being a game where any character COULD die from one hit, let’s be honest, most don’t. Her having low health however exponentially increases her risk factor compared to say… Wesker, who will more than likely survive one hit, and perhaps even two. Marvel being the fast-paced high damage game that it is makes the difference between surviving one hit and surviving two hits a difference of night and day. Bringing X-factor into the mix makes the difference of health between characters ever greater. It’s pretty legitimately simple to either kill or at least halfway kill the 800k health chars based off of chip alone in x-factor. For several characters, that amount of chip can be done before they even have the chance to hit the ground to x-factor and stop the chip, if X-factor is still even available.
Edit: Well I feel like a dumbass now… my own Amaterasu combo does 1.2 mil w/o x fac and assists, and I’m sure mine probably ain’t the best ever. Good shit, even more Ammy S-tier ammo
Doubt it, but who didn’t suck in X-Men Vs. SF?
How is this thread ANY different from the other one? This is pointless.
Storm, cyke, chun, wolverine.
Ryu was very meh in xvsf.
Got even worse in mvsf (no infinitel)
Pretty shit tier in MVC1 as turning him into ken or akuma (which gave him beefy hurricane kick combos) took one of 3 possible meters.that’s bad in a game where duos are king.