The Tekken 6 Thread - December 08 for PS3 JPN port, no info on US/World

l337v1n337 · August 17, 2008, 9:05pm

this game is still too easy

BaSiK_TeKniK · August 17, 2008, 9:17pm

it really is. I dont see how folks complain so much about it. Its not that hard to pick up.

Saotome_Kaneda · August 17, 2008, 9:45pm

This is actually the easiest the game has ever been. lol

BaSiK_TeKniK · August 17, 2008, 10:30pm

:lol:

Saotome_Kaneda · August 17, 2008, 10:43pm

Saotome_Kaneda:

You obviously didn’t pay attention to what I said earlier. A good deal of those combos have portions that are VERY useful, and can be used in lieu of what some people are using as filler now. The Mishima combos in particular all have large parts that can be done by humans. Don’t just write it off just because KYSG had performed it, because a lot of top Japanese players gave input as well(I saw Matador up there in the half second credits that wasn’t that far after the J6 combo fadeout). I remember after certain older KYSG vids people doing their combos within weeks, or adaptations of them.

Hell, that A.King one I could probably do. The only hard part in that whole thing is getting the spacing for the cartwheel, and making sure you don’t get WS+1 instead of GS. People were doing DU, DU, df+1, f+1+2_d+2 B! for a few weeks before I left back in April.

After watching the vid again, a LOT of the things done in those vids are very much possible by human hands, and for the most part are better than the BnBs known right now. The spacing specific ones and the BT only combos are really the only hard ones short of the Mishima EWGFx3 ones, the Nina qcf+1xn one and a small handful of others that involve walls or wall+ floorbreak.

The real broken shit will come once the KYSG team gets their hands on the home version.

Shishioh · August 18, 2008, 1:15am

Saotome_Kaneda:

Never said qcf+1+2 is worth using on people, just that it’s a slow low that some people that have no problems blocking/low parrying quick lows but fuck up when something slower comes out get hit by when they shouldn’t. lol

It’s not just that PS has less pushback, but that more people have long-range punishers for it now. It’s still -14/15 IIRC.

Rapid fire to low? 1,d+4? 2,d+3? What are you talking about?

df+2 still has the range it should have, and it still beats jabs when used right. Dunno who you’re playing that it’s not working.

CH PS still does dmg as it should.

He’s fine, just not busted like other chars. This is the first time Kuma’s been better than him though. lol

After d+1 if they don’t stop or go into crouch(if they commit to the chain), you can hopkick and beat both options because the PS is slower now. Or you can just parry at the timing for the sweep then come back up to block. It’s way easier now.

Like I said with Hwoarang, the “wall of crap” only works if he can somewhere in there get a strong hit, enough small ones, or a launch/stun in. Otherwise he’ll flail at you all day, and there’s ALWAYS a hole you can interrupt him in. Just learn what his options are, and what your opp tends to do. Every Hwo user has their own little flowchart.

As for DJ/Jin, you have to work so much harder to do similar shit with DJ, Jin is just so much better than him now. Everything DJ can do, Jin can and in many cases, do better. Seriously, the fact that Jin has a hopkick makes him way more accessible.

I’m not a Julia player so I have no hints for you. TZ is safe as long as you stick to the combo threads and some of the other stickies, but avoid the other BS threads. But yes, she still has ground game, but it’s not your focus anymore.

He has enough other goofy mid range/close range mids that he can get in and get the mixup, you can’t just win off of just PS/Demo Man mixups anymore.

Mig is fun. Try him when you get the chance.

I pointed it out before. It should be B+2,1 but I’m not entirely sure. It’s a “low” thrust punch into a lifting palm. Both mid, delayable, NC.

It’s exactly that. Because throws take SO LONG to come out(normal throws are 12, long range is 16, some special throws are 10) and if you’re good enough you can see what throw is coming thanks to the hands telegraphing your intent it almost eliminates throws from the game, so you have to mixup safe mids and lows if your opp’s defense is good. Because of relatively worthless throw game it has devolved into “crack that shell”, frame trap games, and once you get that hit making the most of it.

VF has always been a more grounded game, and back in the TTT days there was a lot more groundplay.

Dude…It took Crow to show me how useless Paul is now.

One of his elbow moves animation changed for the worse so it now misses in some juggles.

By Rapidfire I mean qcb+3,2,2…he needed that and now is it’s gone.

The only thing good about his d+4 is that it picks them up off the floor after some crazy shit

His launcher animation changed to a sideways uppercut that has no range, trust me on this. I wasted about 10 dollars playing him.

They just made stupid changes to him without merit.

Saotome_Kaneda · August 18, 2008, 1:48am

By changed elbow I think you mean the ff+2 chain? Yeah, but you really don’t need that in combos anymore since B! Demolition Man > ff+2:1. The real problem with it is that sometimes the followups whiff on hit/block(I think it was the JF followup) on STANDING OPPONENTS.

The swayback chain is another one that I don’t really think is a bad loss because once again, he has Demo Man for combo stuff. Unless you mean the cancelled low punch, in which case if you were abusing that you deserve to get hit out of it. I don’t see how he could’ve possibly “needed that”.

Thanks to the change in speed he can get d+1,4,2 off of a LOT of shit that you used to have to settle for just hammerfist on. This is a BIG boost IMO, because in almost any juggle if the hammerfist hits, then the whole string hits. This is good for wall carry without wasting a B!.

As for df+2, he’s not fucking Jack, and didn’t deserve a safe NH launcher, the same way they raped everyone else’s df+2 starting with Steve’s. It may have no range, but if you’re worried about ranged launchers he STILL HAS HOPKICK WHICH LEADS TO THE SAME OR BETTER DAMAGE.

Trust me, I’ve played plenty of Japanese Paul. He’s okay, just get over the changes.

TGS · August 18, 2008, 2:18am

Wow, Heihachi isn’t S-tier anymore? Was the loss of his OG Twin Pistons really that bad?

Saotome_Kaneda · August 18, 2008, 2:40am

Yes. lol Same as how Miguel dropped really fucking fast once they fixed his TP. Hei just doesn’t have the BS that the other Mishimas do.

Shishioh · August 18, 2008, 3:37am

Saotome_Kaneda:

By changed elbow I think you mean the ff+2 chain? Yeah, but you really don’t need that in combos anymore since B! Demolition Man > ff+2:1. The real problem with it is that sometimes the followups whiff on hit/block(I think it was the JF followup) on STANDING OPPONENTS.

The swayback chain is another one that I don’t really think is a bad loss because once again, he has Demo Man for combo stuff. Unless you mean the cancelled low punch, in which case if you were abusing that you deserve to get hit out of it. I don’t see how he could’ve possibly “needed that”.

Thanks to the change in speed he can get d+1,4,2 off of a LOT of shit that you used to have to settle for just hammerfist on. This is a BIG boost IMO, because in almost any juggle if the hammerfist hits, then the whole string hits. This is good for wall carry without wasting a B!.

As for df+2, he’s not fucking Jack, and didn’t deserve a safe NH launcher, the same way they raped everyone else’s df+2 starting with Steve’s. It may have no range, but if you’re worried about ranged launchers he STILL HAS HOPKICK WHICH LEADS TO THE SAME OR BETTER DAMAGE.

Trust me, I’ve played plenty of Japanese Paul. He’s okay, just get over the changes.

But he’s my main. I have plenty to be worried about.

Saotome_Kaneda · August 18, 2008, 3:49am

Heh. Can’t help but grin at that. Sorry bro, you’re gonna have to make that shit work.

Be like me, main 2 chars, be proficient with almost half the cast and decent with the rest. =p

Shishioh · August 18, 2008, 4:06am

I quit him already. I play Kaz now. I’m tired of being left behind. I’ll start on top now with DJ bringing up the rear.

BaSiK_TeKniK · August 18, 2008, 5:06am

damn. but Miguel fairs pretty well right? Im sure he can take out the tops easily. not like it matters to me :wonder: I want to main him

l337v1n337 · August 18, 2008, 5:20am

miguel is an overplayed scrub character. If youre going to use him, you better be on point and be fresh. Every miguel player ive seen plays the exact same… makes it pretty easy to play against miguels that way. dont get me wrong… he’s good… but dont just jock the same noob stuff every other miguel is doing

edit- and he cant take out the tops easily. if that were the case… miguel would be top above them

Saotome_Kaneda · August 18, 2008, 6:02am

If Mig had his initial revision shit(safe TP, slightly better juggles thanks to less pushback), he’d be higher, but not out of the A+ rank. He’s fun, but l337 is right, most people play him exactly the same.

The number one nerf I never understood to this day was taking away A.King’s db+3 combos. That will be BS until the day I die.

BaSiK_TeKniK · August 18, 2008, 7:54am

hmmm damn scrubs always messing things up. Ill just have to put that extra effort then.

any good B&B for him? I figure I might as well get a jumpstart with him. I need someone post a good rundown of Miguel like dos and don’ts (if that makes any sense)

Saotome_Kaneda · August 18, 2008, 8:32am

launchers
df+2,1
uf+4
(1,2,) 1+2
ws+2,2*
db+[1]*

these have specific followup combos
basic combox
df+4,1 df+4,1 df+2,2 B!
^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much all you need, works off of the 1st 3 launchers

df+1,F Savage df+1, df+4,1 df+2,2 B!
Once you learn how to transition into Savage Stance use this

ws+2,2 df+1, df+2,2 B!
The WS+2,2 combo

db+[1], ws+2,2 1, df+2,2 B!
Can’t remember if you can do more

Post-B!
ff+2,1
ALWAYS. If you’re nice you can sneak a df+1 in there before it

I’ll add more later.

Helter_Skelter · August 18, 2008, 10:35am

I swear you do this for nearly every game thread you post in.

You say:

-How does this character fair?
-What are the tiers in this game?
-Can this character beat top tiers?

Then you always say “Not that it matters.”

You’re so undercover.

VR-Fist · August 18, 2008, 11:12am

Exactly. His only mid starter is ff+2, not safe, not fast. Shitty for a character without hopkick.
But as far as I know (I didn’t play the game, yet), the new “TP” causes B! and it’s natural combo on CH (I don’t know if normal hit?) so the damage is quite not bad if you seek for CH NC.

I dislike every single new character in Tekken series. I am very conservative Mishima player, but that’s just my problem

Shishioh · August 18, 2008, 1:22pm

Amen