The Superman Thread: PREACH IT, goody!

[ReggieHadoken]

Couldn’t afford it so I took the last copy my store had to the counter and had it placed on hold for me! :woot:

[goodm0urning]

Big news for Superman:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/business/media/29comics.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin

March 29, 2008
Creators Family Reclaims the Rights to Superman
By MICHAEL CIEPLY

LOS ANGELES Time Warner is no longer the sole proprietor of Superman.

A federal judge here on Wednesday ruled that the heirs of Jerome Siegel who 70 years ago sold the rights to the action hero he created with Joseph Shuster to Detective Comics for $130 were entitled to claim a share of the United States copyright to the character. The ruling left intact Time Warners international rights to the character, which it has long owned through its DC Comics unit.

And it reserved for trial questions over how much the company may owe the Siegel heirs for use of the character since 1999, when their ownership is deemed to have been restored. Also to be resolved is whether the heirs are entitled to payments directly from Time Warners film unit, Warner Brothers, which took in $200 million at the domestic box office with Superman Returns in 2006, or only from the DC units Superman profits.

Still, the ruling threatened to complicate Warners plans to make more films featuring Superman, including another sequel and a planned movie based on the DC Comics Justice League of America, in which he joins Batman, Wonder Woman and other superheroes to battle evildoers.

If the ruling survives a Time Warner legal challenge, it may also open the door to a similar reversion of rights to the estate of Mr. Shuster in 2013. That would give heirs of the two creators control over use of their lucrative character until at least 2033 and perhaps longer, if Congress once again extends copyright terms according to Marc Toberoff, a lawyer who represents the Siegels and the Shuster estate.

It would be very powerful, said Mr. Toberoff, speaking by telephone on Friday. After 2013, Time Warner couldnt exploit any new Superman-derived works without a license from the Siegels and Shusters.

Time Warner lawyers declined to discuss the decision, a spokesman said. A similar ruling in 2006 allowed the Siegels to recapture their rights in the Superboy character, without determining whether Superboy was, in fact, the basis for Warner Brotherss Smallville television series. The decision was later challenged in a case that has yet to be resolved, said Mr. Toberoff, who represented the family in that action.

This weeks decision by Stephen G. Larson, a judge in the Federal District Court for the Central District of California, provided long-sought vindication to the wife and daughter of Mr. Siegel, who had bemoaned until his death in 1996 having parted so cheaply with rights to the lucrative hero.

We were just stubborn, Joanne Siegel, Mr. Siegels widow, said in a joint interview with her daughter, Laura Siegel Larson. It was a dream of Jerrys, and we just took up the task.

The ruling specifically upheld the Seigels copyright in the Superman material published in Detective Comics Action Comics Vol. 1. The extent to which later iterations of the character are derived from that original was not determined by the judge.

In an unusually detailed narrative, the judges 72-page order described how Mr. Siegel and Mr. Shuster, as teenagers at Glenville High School in Cleveland, became friends and collaborators on their school newspaper in 1932. They worked together on a short story, The Reign of the Superman, in which their famous character first appeared not as hero, but villain.

By 1937, the pair were offering publishers comic strips in which the classic Superman elements cape, logo and Clark Kent alter-ego were already set. When Detective Comics bought 13 pages of work for its new Action Comics series the next year, the company sent Mr. Siegel a check for $130, and received in return a release from both creators granting the company rights to Superman to have and hold forever, the order noted.

In the late 1940s, a referee in a New York court upheld Detective Comics copyright, prompting Mr. Siegel and Mr. Shuster to drop their claim in exchange for $94,000. More than 30 years later, DC Comics (the successor to Detective Comics) gave the creators each a $20,000-per-year annuity that was later increased to $30,000. In 1997, however, Mrs. Siegel and her daughter served copyright termination notices under provisions of a 1976 law that permits heirs, under certain circumstances, to recover rights to creations.

Mr. Toberoff, their lawyer, has been something of a gadfly to Warner in the past. In the late 1990s, for example, he represented Gilbert Ralston, a television writer, in a legal battle over his rights in the CBS television series The Wild Wild West, which was the basis for a 1999 Warner Brothers film that starred Will Smith. The case, said Mr. Toberoff, was settled.

Compensation to the Siegels would be limited to any work created after their 1999 termination date. Income from the 1978 Superman film, or the three sequels that followed in the 1980s, are not at issue. But a Superman Returns sequel being planned with the filmmaker Bryan Singer (who has also directed The Usual Suspects and X-Men) might require payments to the Siegels, should they prevail in a demand that the studios income, not just that of the comics unit, be subject to a court-ordered accounting.

Mrs. Siegel and Ms. Larson said it was too soon to make future plans for the Superman character. But they were inclined to relish this moment.

I have lived in the shadow of this my whole life, Ms. Larson said. I am so happy now, I just cant explain it.

[goodm0urning]

I don’t want to alarm anyone, but I’ve just revisited All Star Superman #10, and I am perilously close to declaring it the greatest single issue of Superman I have ever read. No joke.

It’s way too early to say so, so I will reserve judgment, but I can only think of a handful of issues that evoke this kind of reaction in me. It’s nothing short of sublime.

[Sano]

Question - The Kryptonian writing in ASS #10, was that adopted from Smallville or did that just exist in comics prior to Smallville? The use of symbols was very similar and they even used the diamond with the eight in the center that Smallville uses all of the time.

[goodm0urning]

Question - The Kryptonian writing in ASS #10, was that adopted from Smallville or did that just exist in comics prior to Smallville? The use of symbols was very similar and they even used the diamond with the eight in the center that Smallville uses all of the time.

The font was created by DC. I am pretty sure it predates Smallville by at least a year or two, though I can’t recall any comic appearances.

[Sano]

The font was created by DC. I am pretty sure it predates Smallville by at least a year or two, though I can’t recall any comic appearances.

Ah okay. Thanks!

[Zephyranthes]

Or maybe we are just stubborn enough to refuse to give Jeph Loeb any credit for anything. Because he surely deserves none.

[goodm0urning]

Or maybe we are just stubborn enough to refuse to give Jeph Loeb any credit for anything. Because he surely deserves none.

Well, Loeb could have designed the font himself out of ramen and Spaghetti-O’s for all I care, but it was designed prior to Smallville. It might have been designed with Smallville in mind–I don’t know–but I suspect it’s merely an attempt by DC to set some standards for the portrayal of Kryptonian culture, much like back in the Weisinger days.

[Rugal_3_16]

goody…

Weren’t Kryptonian Alphabet Present even in the old Wayne Boring Days Pre-Crisis??

[goodm0urning]

Weren’t Kryptonian Alphabet Present even in the old Wayne Boring Days Pre-Crisis??

Sort of. Though Kryptonian lettering was presented at various times in the old days, it was very inconsistent. The closest I can think of to an early standard alphabet was in the 60s, but obviously that was eventually revised out of existence–and though the style of the lettering seemed uniform, I’m not sure they took the time to work it up into a fully fledged simulated alphabet.

The standard Kryptonian alphabet as it is today, the one we’re discussing, is a fairly recent invention.

[Rugal_3_16]

I plan to post a blog here soon entitled…

The ONLY credible supes villains

I only have THREE on my list

Lex Luthor
General Zod
Braniac

The rest (Joke)

Metallo
Bizarro (although bordering on being a joke and a threat)
Parasite
Toyman
Prankster
Terra man

are mostly in that category where I can see supes disabling them in a few seconds using NON-LETHAL means…

Plus it’s a shame really that Doctor Octopus for example can definetely ony one of these superman Joke-villains (maybe except bizarro, but he can be easily outwitted)

I’ll finish my blog later

[Tizoc]

I bought Vol. 1 of All-Star Superman, does that warrant me a free One Year Premium Subscription on the Forums?

[goodm0urning]

I bought Vol. 1 of All-Star Superman, does that warrant me a free One Year Premium Subscription on the Forums?

No, but it does warrant you some of the best damn reading that comics has to offer.

[Rugal_3_16]

g00dy since you seem to know more about supes than I do.

What’s the Origin of the Post-Crisis Bottle city of Kandor? OI do know that it (The Pre-C) was eventually enlarged at the end of the 70’s…

it couldn’t have been Braniac since the Post-Crisis Braniac was just Milton Fine a Gypsy being possessed by Vril Dox?

My friends have argued that Superman Killing off the Phantom Zone Kryptonians is now retconned out of continuity… is this true.

[goodm0urning]

I actually don’t know a whole lot about what’s been happening in Supes for the last decade or so, so I’m probably not the best guy to ask. Last I knew, the post-Crisis Kandor was a Kandor-in-name-only, created by an alien being to imprison members of various species of people (which obviously fits into the post-Crisis philosophy of streamlining things and making them more logical, right?).

Given DC’s recent habit of swapping different pre-Crisis elements in and out of continuity like a switchboard, I couldn’t begin to follow Kandor up to where it is today.

[ReggieHadoken]

Besides All-Star Supes, is any other Super book worth checking out?

[goodm0urning]

Besides All-Star Supes, is any other Super book worth checking out?

Currently? Not that I’m aware of. But I’d say that about mainstream comics in general.

[System_1]

The Superman: Redemption trade got good reviews, but I’m not sure if i should get it.

DC seem to have made Superman low profile this decade, with weak stories and what not. Has there been any recent stories that rivals Superman Rex, or Power Surge, or Superman Hunter/Prey? He’s supposed to be the icon, the one who steals others’ spotlights and stuff. Sure, he had a significant role in Infinite Crisis, but before and after that, nothing much has happened.
Sinestro Corps War

Spoiler

For example, he should’ve duked it out with SMP, or at least helped Sodam Yat. Instead he jobbed to Cyborg Superman, then, for the duration of that story arc, blended in with the B- and C-list heroes, battling the Sinestro Corps. Then, he teamed up with Supergirl and Powergirl for a few panels, trying to defeat SMP to no avail.

[Tizoc]

Superman: Birthright was kickass one of my fav. Supes books ATM.
I really liked Lex’s background in this series and how he wanted to degrade Supes, plus Lu’s art was amazing in this one.

[goodm0urning]

All Star Superman #11 is due a week from today.

As usual, take that with a whole shaker of salt.