I’m probably gonna hate myself for sparkng up another x-kira debate… but:
From reddit/SF: Fact Checking X-Kira
(someone post this to his twitter/FB page)
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They should had also add the lot from his previous decativated accounts.
Why? Ignoring and disregarding his 2015-2017 leaks which is a very huge portion compare to this excel data that is just 2017 doesn’t make this facts and legit checking. It’s already poor analysis of data that is BS to begin with.
Also in dojo mode what did he get right was assumption of something called a “dojo” but the whole idea how the mode would work is different and not even close.
Include also a list of his hinting that turned out false and true. Like Viper for example.
Then something like the claim Cannon Spike Nash happened because it was legit Datamined is kinda ridiculous when the it was a lucky guess using the release of Cannon Spike Cammy as a hint but off his radar.
Why would people be also surprised for getting classic Bison? After seeing Classic SF2 in costume prominent in returning. Yet I would be surprised if were getting another Classic Abigail and humor costume Rashid.
So wrong 83 % of the time. Beats guessing by the flip of a coin by a wide margin.
Let’s be half full vase: anything X-Kira announces is guaranteed NOT to be in the game with 83 % chance.
Someone should pass that X-Kira chart on to the people who write this site’s news articles, as a couple of months ago the main page was still hyping how super reliable X-Kira is.
EDIT: If you wanted to count every individual stage that hasn’t happened, you could probably inflate that error rate. Or every time he promised something was coming soon, only to make the same promise again a few months later when it failed to happen, and then again a few months after that…
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From a gameplay standpoint, Kage is a physical manifestation of the SNH within Ryu. This way, he is most reminiscent to the hopefully permanently dead story that Rose is the physical manifestation of the good that was expelled from Bison. But this is only from a gameplay standpoint (which is to say, is not canon). I think the wording could’ve been made more obvious on Capcom’s side but it’s easier than to explain to the laymen an almost Jungian take on Ryu’s Shadow and internal struggle.
From a canonical standpoint, it is undeniable that Kage is just a shadow, he’s a thought, a dark one, personified and manifesting in the minds of characters only. The physical aspect in Kage’s story is literally only Ryu meditating in what seems to be Karin’s Palace (where Ryu was for some of his special training). At the end of his story, Kage disappears, likely goes back into the subconscious.
If Kage was actually able to get a fleshy form through sheer will, it breaks the canon. Then we get stories like Zombie Gouken like you said, and Bison circumventing the very need for a body to anchor his power in the physical world.
The only way I think Kage can ever become physical is if someone gave him a body. The only character who can and would be interested in doing that is Bison. The two would make for a deadly alliance. But then you’d have to come up with a story on how Kage ever left Ryu’s mind, and when he did, where did he go? What is this place that Kage can just hang out in, that would have allowed for a meeting of Bison and Kage? It doesn’t truly make a lot of sense for Kage not to be anchored and trapped inside Ryu’s body IMO.
Personally, I think the most interesting part of Kage’s story is often overlooked, it’s this astral or spiritual plane that certain fighters can tap into and communicate through. We’ve seen characters use it since SF4 with Akuma and Gouken sensing Ryu’s awakening. It reminds me of the weird dimension that Bison took Ryu and Ken in the SF2 V final battle.
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Gouken is alive and he will return.
Not a zombie.
I don’t think you understood the context of Zombie Gouken.
I just did ctrl + f , searched Gouken, found him next to Zombie, then proceed to instantly defend him on the story forum.
By the stories, he went to visit both Sagat and Akuma.
Sagat particularly stands out. Since we only get Kage vs Akuma on Kage’s side, and that is a reasonable direction for Ryu’s meditation to go, you can count that as acceptable. But Sagat? You can, and people did, argue that Sagat shouldn’t even be open to what happened in his story. Out of nowhere, a SnH entity taunted and tormented.
So we already have some form of SnH entity taunting and tormenting a non-practitioner, which is followed by Kage’s story saying that it was Kage that did the taunting.
At that point, you’ve already got an entity that arguably isn’t bound to Ryu. Even if it only did it on some spiritual plane, it was able to travel to an arguably completely unconnected person who was in a different country and directly affect that person.
Does Kage even need Ryu now? Does only “Kage” need Ryu? Is Kage an actual sentient entity, or is “Kage” only a persona or mask? If “Kage” is a mask, is it worn by some sentient entity, or did some non-sentient force/entity attain sentience through Ryu? Will Kage continue to exist without Ryu, die without Ryu, or just have the “persona” of “Kage” die while the entity continues to exist?
Can Kage outright possess another person? Remember that the world of Street Fighter has entities like Bison as well as Necalli. It has numerous energies like psycho power, soul power, the SnH… Akuma has the actual ability to turn into Oni; it isn’t just a metaphor or a state of mind. Though this is really a bit of a cheat, as it ultimately comes down to whatever the SF writers want to do, and they can get away with pretty much anything at this point.
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“Non-practitoner”? Satsui No Hado is a type of ki energy like Mu, it’s not solely tied to Ansatsuken. Any martial artist in the Street Fighter universe is capable of manifesting it. It partially comes from the desire to win at all costs.
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Fake news. Gouken was killed by Akuma in Alpha and the one you see in SFIV is just a mech that’s being piloted by a young anime girl inside him.
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I remember watching Sagat’s story progression on youtube.
And, then I just had to take a look at the youtube comments.
99.9% of “SF fans” have no actual clue how the Satsui no Hadou actually functions. More or less the same as how people still believe that Gouki literally takes people’s souls into hell itself to be torn up by demons from within. Or, whatever bullshit that was.
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Yes. In their minds in the same way Bison can enter people’s dreams. It also doesn’t change what I said that Kage is anchored to Ryu. Meaning if Ryu were to die, Kage would too because Kage is the manifestation of Ryu’s SNH not the SNH. A dog can move about even if it was on a leash.
Kage is not like Bison or anyone really, he’s a first in the canon. But it is unlikely that he can possess characters like Bison, he is not a phantom or a spirit. He has no soul. He is but a collection of thoughts and feelings, but aimless.
Also Akuma can potentially become Oni, but it is clear from his and Kage’s stories that that isn’t the path he would rather walk, but he is open to its possibility. Akuma does not have the “Ability” to turn into Oni like the Hulk if that is what you are implying.
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Doesn’t change that people argued the point when Sagat’s story went public. It was even argued on this forum.
There is also the issue that Sagat had never shown any signs before this point, and his own statements imply that this is the first time he has had such an experience. Yet this happens after he has not only come to terms with his rivalry with Ryu, but also after he’s turned his back on just accepting any path to power. And seemingly mostly come to a state of peace.
Though I guess… Bison and the path to psycho power was blocking the SnH, and he only became vulnerable after leaving that umbrella of protection? Or was it that the two were similar enough that a SnH entity/episode saw no reason to directly go after Sagat until he diverged from that path?
The SNH is a deadly pattern of thinking/feeling that enables a power type of ki. Necalli, Ryu, Akuma, Gouken, Seth, Bison, Nash, and even Sagat all understood it in one way or another. But only Ryu, Akuma, and arguably Oro and Necalli have demonstrated using it.
If Sagat is struggling with thoughts of vengeance and hate, he could in theory tap into the SNH. But can his body withstand it? Will he know what to do with it once he actually was able to muster it? Doubtful.
We also Nash and Ryu talk about the killing intent in Nash’s SF5 character story.
It’s clear that with SF5, Capcom fleshed out the SNH to not be confined to Goutetsu’s teachings. So Sagat’s flirting with the SNH while unprecedented is not that strange in the context of these changes.
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Agree everything mostly is about common sense pick like Nash Canonspike after having Cammy Canonspike.
Agree also count everytime he indirect hint something but obvious. Then he would claim he never said it. Those were “intentionally” misleading and about wasn’t leaking.
On topic
As of now I still give Capcom a doubt with Kage being either a what if fight with Akuma and Sagat but happens all in Ryu head. I do also accept that his fight could have happen in his physical form or astral form as Capcom intentional want that interpretation to the viewer. So it would be neither correct. Yet I do favor it to actually did happened in physical realm.
And agree everything that is about Sagat having SNH should be thrown away and Kage is the fix of everything that sets everything to SF3 Ryu which is better.
The SnH is the Dark Side.
The Dark Side does not BELONG to the Sith. The Sith can merely tap into it. You don’t need to be a Sith or a Jedi to delve into the Dark Side, you just have access to the Force.
Now switch “Dark Side” int he above sentences to “SnH” and “Sith” to “Nameless Ansatsuken-user” and “the Force” to “Ki techniques”
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Random things
XKira:
that 83% failure chart become unfair on the other way, the number does’nt tell the whole story specially considering his recent good streak of then confirmed costumes.
Is not the number itself is about wich stuff he usually actually he’s able to effectively leak (mostly costumes) and what not (the rest)
So essentially can still be a worthy source when know what believe and what ignore
Kage:
It’s not a physical being and it exist/fight only on the spiritual level of Ryu’s soul or other victims.
Sagat story clear show it, the girl CAN’T SEE wtf it’s going on inside Sagat’s soul.
It can travel out of Ryu’s soul through the energy concept of astral projection, something that meditation masters claim they can do*
He’s not an entirely separately being from Ryu, actually it literally represent his sub-conscious dark side.
When Ryu in his story “accept” it’s existence he’s not accepting an alien in his brain (lol), he’s accepting to have a dark side and his new approach is about isolate it through acceptance/knowledge rather that try to fight it refusing, trying to erase something that could not be erased.
Is like accept to have a shirt that you can’t throw away but you’re not forced to wear.
The SnH give it a particular power to it but it’s not the source of it’s mind.
SnH just give voice to the darkest thoughts and words of Ryu’s subconscious
*wich is the concept behind Sim and Bison teleports, they’re so advanced that they can project not only the soul but the matter too
SNH/Ansatsuken:
SnH it’s NOT just the “dark side” that anybody can have.
SnH it’s not just a way to say negative ki, see Psycho Power being another form of negative ki.
SnH is specifically a negative ki “disorder” that can happen specifically to Ansatsuken martial artists.
It’s related to the “hadou way” of utilize ki, and it’s a known thing through Ansatsuken school generations.
In SF world Ansatsuken techniques (like hadouken, srk etc) teach to tap into specific cords of human ki, have access to these specific energy channels open the window to SnH danger
This is why example Gouken did’nt wanted to allow Dan to continue train, as his negative feelings/motivations (after Sagat killed his dad) combined with ansatsuken ki pratices will have likely resulted in a SnH affected individual
In similar way Psycho Power is a deviation from Soul Power way of utilize ki.
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TBF the majority of the SF community only has a passing interest in the story and they still believe many misconceptions on SF’s story e.g Cody is just as strong as Oni. At least the view on SF even having a story has become more positive since SF4.
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smh Arc System Works stealing ideas yet again
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