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Yo fit this through your head

Vega has worst anti air in the game, Ken has multiple jump arcs, and all these lead to big damage.
Vega handles pressure very poorly, Ken has top tier pressure.
Vega dies in the corner, Ken has great corner carry.
Vega has a slight edge on midscreen neutral, but his best buttons get priority smacked by st.hk which he can abuse outside of the range of any of vegas effective buttons, meaning vega has to play it more agressive than normal.

I know how to play this match, the only easy wins are against bad kens.

There are more situations in which Claw has a “more” comfortable position in comparison to Ken. A good idea can be made of this just by looking at their stats/movements/priority of both characters and the situations, which @LoyalSol covered. It probably does balance out based on the reward from Ken’s perspective, but outside that… getting to that point in the first place is somewhat a challenge. Due to that, you’ll probably see Claw have more momentum opportunities over Ken.

In short, buff everyone.

Ah yes the naive argument about anti-airs. This argument makes sense so long as you actually haven’t gone into training mode and figured out that half of Ken’s air options whiff horribly on a crouching Vega and the few that don’t can be negated by Vega’s other options.

This is the problem when people use general character strengths and don’t actually bother to lab some of this stuff. Yes against most characters Ken has great jump in options. The problem is they fucking blow against Vega because of his hurtbox and movement speed. The only time you are going to land EX Tatsu against a competent Vega is if you catch him pressing a button.

In the corner yes, which is why I said the one spot Ken controls the match up. But the key is you got to get a significant hit to get him there and that is the problem. Your normal mid screen options that you would use to close the gap aren’t as effective against Vega.

Again general arguments, no specifics. It’s a naive way to rate a match up.

No you can’t abuse s.HK. That button is not something you can just randomly throw out in the match up because Vega has some really damn good punishes on it. The problem is most Vega players try to play the match up Claw on which is a huge mistake against Ken. Claw off Vega Ken has very little easy answers for. If you whiff a s.HK against a claw off Vega player it’s pretty easy for him to punish it for a good 200 damage or better.

I am well aware there is a specific position where I can crouch cr.hp and beats a jumpin and makes ex divekick whiff. It’s one of the key things I do in the match. Its on the Ken to not make the stupid choice of jumping from that exact position, like I said, bad kens.

You can abuse st.hk, vega can only punish it if you do it too close. I play claw off in every match but zangief. st,hk can’t be touched unless you have zero idea on your spacing. Like I said, bad kens.

Maybe you are one of these bad kens.

fight fight fight

What I wanna know is why niggas never pick any other color for Cammy. It’s either default delta red or her secound color.

No battle outfit or story outfit
No other colors

FFS have some fun god damn

I’m actually surprised Kaz started picking red Cammy in tournaments.

I don’t feel too bad for Brad since he still qualified even if it’s on a technicality.

Lol ken players.

To the guy saying momochi and eita fear nemo vega, look for japan cpt general standings, and see where nemo is compared to those two.

Also checkout the players flash metroid and other notorious vega players have lost to in tournaments. Your argument will fall appart altogether once you see that.

it for sure depends on the costume you choose.
story mode is a 2-8 against his premium one…

the humiliation factor someone eats when he get beat with that costume
…its like choosing pink as a color to say…here…this sissy is beating your ass …the mental damage is huge…daigo can confirm this in his book…i swear :smiley:

can ken’s st.HK be whiff punished on reaction with vega’s slide?

I don’t know if this is finalized just yet, He will still be at the NA Tourney this weekend. I guess there is still a chance Misterio can short out his visa issues before then.

At tournaments the other colors usually are only unlocked for the season pass characters and the owner of the console’s main character. I get frustrated whenever there’s only two or three colors to choose from, but it is what it is.

Yep I had to get accustomed to colour 2 for Vega at Canada Cup because glorious colour 12 nowhere to be seen on any ps4 :frowning:

Yes. But if you miss, and ken blocks, vega eats a full combo into pressure that can confirm another combo into more pressure.

All of this confirms that Nash is the only good character without a reversal.

Oh wait, forgot about Mika

Rog? Or is he still DLC-tier

(I know you’re joking btw)

DLC tier since he dies to grapplers and theres only one high tier grappler

Worse. Whiff punished by his target combo

Also, ken fireballs.

Ken has fireballs?

Oh yeah he does

Does he? What color are they, i can’t remember.