The Street Fighter V Lounge - McRibs for the good, The Purge of 2016 for the bad

[Frost]

I see Capcom as a drunken father trying to rehabilitate but never quite getting there and downing another bottle of whiskey before collapsing on the sofa.

ASW being the caring mother who doesn’t get the praise she deserves for all the hard work.

[mykka]

I play always more than 1 character, but I usually always try Chun Li first and then see if I like someone else. I still remember the first SFIV video I saw of Chun and that made me wanna keep messing around with her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_y6ripCmF0

Cant believe its almost 8 years old now.

[OceanMachine]

Capcom should have been taking notes from every other fucking fighter on the market before SF5 was launched. The blueprint of how to basically make the perfect fighting game package was laid out to them with all of the previous games that were out prior to launch. They could have had a melting pot of picking all of the great features from different games and combining them into their package.

But they took absolutely no notes from ANYTHING, other than using rollback for online, which they even managed to fuck up compared to other games.

Well the actual story mode is 100% taken from BlazBlue, only with much less fights. V-Trigger is clearly inspired by KI’s Instinct and even if everyone calls V-Reversal “alpha counter” it’s actually closer to GG’s Dead Angle Attack for its inputs.
There are probably many other things they took from other fighters, but they usually did it worse than the original.

[PVL_93_RU]

short short short short Lightning Legs

ResidentSleeper

[OceanMachine]

I play always more than 1 character, but I usually always try Chun Li first and then see if I like someone else. I still remember the first SFIV video I saw of Chun and that made me wanna keep messing around with her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_y6ripCmF0

Cant believe its almost 8 years old now.

FA into grab, low low low into special, random Hazanshus… much tech, such depth of gameplay

[Trife88]

Do not play SFV with a stomach virus. It does not feel good to do a clutch counter-poke into new underwear.

[Xhominid]

I remember Xrd’s tutorial as the best tutorial in a fighting game I’d ever used. It explains so much and doesn’t skip on advanced concepts. The amount of different modes to train through is great as well, overall it’s just super accessible without simplifying the gameplay because the learning resources are all present within the game.

It’s crazy how good yet underrated/played I think Xrd is.

KI’s tutorials is also surprisingly good, though apparently not as fun as Xrd.
I was full of hope when I first launched SFV and saw the interactive tutorial, even if it basically just teaches you to walk forward press buttons. Then the actual tutorials came out and… they were once again just videos like the ones you may have already watched on Youtube in the previous month. The character intro vids they did for their channel are actually much better than the ones in the game.

Will Capcom ever learn how to introduce people into fighting games instead of leaving all useful informations behind a paywall for those who are willing to get their official guides?

I agree with this. It honestly baffles me how Capcom honestly believes that casuals will go find tutorials and in-depth analysis of how to play their character on Youtube or Twitch…when casuals aren’t even remotely hardcore like that.
I tried doing that for Blazblue CT and it just didn’t click because I always had to go do countless play by plays of how the combo was supposed to work or the intricacies of the actual game. So when they finally released Blazblue CS and added in a Trial Mode with a Sampler later on the line, it was made alot more obvious what you are supposed to do and how.

It was the same thing in DOA5, fixed in DOA5U and pretty much became a standard in fighting games after that. So to see SFV, the game that was supposed to bring casuals in, basically say “Fuck you, go look online” for a few months until they released trial…and before that have a half-assed “tutorial”, it just screams of barely giving a fuck.

[mykka]

I play always more than 1 character, but I usually always try Chun Li first and then see if I like someone else. I still remember the first SFIV video I saw of Chun and that made me wanna keep messing around with her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_y6ripCmF0

Cant believe its almost 8 years old now.

FA into grab, low low low into special, random Hazanshus… much tech, such depth of gameplay

It was a brand new game at the time, people were still grasping the game mechanisms and the characters gameplay. She looked good to me anyway.

[purbeast]

Capcom should have been taking notes from every other fucking fighter on the market before SF5 was launched. The blueprint of how to basically make the perfect fighting game package was laid out to them with all of the previous games that were out prior to launch. They could have had a melting pot of picking all of the great features from different games and combining them into their package.

But they took absolutely no notes from ANYTHING, other than using rollback for online, which they even managed to fuck up compared to other games.

Well the actual story mode is 100% taken from BlazBlue, only with much less fights. V-Trigger is clearly inspired by KI’s Instinct and even if everyone calls V-Reversal “alpha counter” it’s actually closer to GG’s Dead Angle Attack for its inputs.
There are probably many other things they took from other fighters, but they usually did it worse than the original.

I’m not even talking about gameplay to be honest, I’m talking about features and modes from the ground up. The actual gameplay is the only thing that Capcom got right with SF5.

[Exia_00]

Dat Injustice 2 trailer.

I wonder if that adapting shit is a new mechanic, or variations.

Pls let me play as Darksied.

[crash_and_burn]

Capcom should have been taking notes from every other fucking fighter on the market before SF5 was launched. The blueprint of how to basically make the perfect fighting game package was laid out to them with all of the previous games that were out prior to launch. They could have had a melting pot of picking all of the great features from different games and combining them into their package.

But they took absolutely no notes from ANYTHING, other than using rollback for online, which they even managed to fuck up compared to other games.

Well the actual story mode is 100% taken from BlazBlue, only with much less fights. V-Trigger is clearly inspired by KI’s Instinct and even if everyone calls V-Reversal “alpha counter” it’s actually closer to GG’s Dead Angle Attack for its inputs.
There are probably many other things they took from other fighters, but they usually did it worse than the original.

I’m not even talking about gameplay to be honest, I’m talking about features and modes from the ground up. The actual gameplay is the only thing that Capcom got right with SF5.

I’m sorry, I felt the same way originally, that at least they got the game play right. Yet the more I play, the more noticeable the input delay is, and that basic footsies and punishes are gimped for certain characters more than others.

What people keep calling shimmy, is not necessarily real shimmy at all, it’s doing shit that abuses moves with 4 frames of start up that lead to huge damage, like Ken’s so called b.st.mp, chain to st.hp to whatever Ken damn well pleases and doing it outside of throw distance. I agree with PR Balrog. Everyone is playing the same way, no matter which character that use, as long as they have a 3 frame jab and some abusiveable garbage above.

Then you add in the lag online, the fact that PC users can have less input lag, and that you need to keep a PS3 stick or PS4 stick in legacy mode (if you can switch it in to PS3 mode) just to try to trim down the input delay, and the gameplay ends up feeling completely fucked.

[GenUser]

If LordWilliam is referring to Raz0r’s post, the part “Fuck SFV” was unnecessary, but Xrd indeed does an overwhelmingly better job in teaching the game than SFV. That’s not “what he thinks”, it’s a fact. For a game that is supposed to be the new FGC flagship and make the scene grow, Capcom should be taking notes of what ASW is doing.

The tutorial videos in sfv are such a joke i just skipped through them all for the fight money

[NeloVergil]

I remember Xrd’s tutorial as the best tutorial in a fighting game I’d ever used. It explains so much and doesn’t skip on advanced concepts. The amount of different modes to train through is great as well, overall it’s just super accessible without simplifying the gameplay because the learning resources are all present within the game.

It’s crazy how good yet underrated/played I think Xrd is.

KI’s tutorials is also surprisingly good, though apparently not as fun as Xrd.
I was full of hope when I first launched SFV and saw the interactive tutorial, even if it basically just teaches you to walk forward press buttons. Then the actual tutorials came out and… they were once again just videos like the ones you may have already watched on Youtube in the previous month. The character intro vids they did for their channel are actually much better than the ones in the game.

Will Capcom ever learn how to introduce people into fighting games instead of leaving all useful informations behind a paywall for those who are willing to get their official guides?

I agree with this. It honestly baffles me how Capcom honestly believes that casuals will go find tutorials and in-depth analysis of how to play their character on Youtube or Twitch…when casuals aren’t even remotely hardcore like that.
I tried doing that for Blazblue CT and it just didn’t click because I always had to go do countless play by plays of how the combo was supposed to work or the intricacies of the actual game. So when they finally released Blazblue CS and added in a Trial Mode with a Sampler later on the line, it was made alot more obvious what you are supposed to do and how.

It was the same thing in DOA5, fixed in DOA5U and pretty much became a standard in fighting games after that. So to see SFV, the game that was supposed to bring casuals in, basically say “Fuck you, go look online” for a few months until they released trial…and before that have a half-assed “tutorial”, it just screams of barely giving a fuck.

Even stubborn ass Bamco at least started giving niggas a decent tutorial (TTT2). I’m waiting on my god damned ingame frame data though bamco.

[purbeast]

Capcom should have been taking notes from every other fucking fighter on the market before SF5 was launched. The blueprint of how to basically make the perfect fighting game package was laid out to them with all of the previous games that were out prior to launch. They could have had a melting pot of picking all of the great features from different games and combining them into their package.

But they took absolutely no notes from ANYTHING, other than using rollback for online, which they even managed to fuck up compared to other games.

Well the actual story mode is 100% taken from BlazBlue, only with much less fights. V-Trigger is clearly inspired by KI’s Instinct and even if everyone calls V-Reversal “alpha counter” it’s actually closer to GG’s Dead Angle Attack for its inputs.
There are probably many other things they took from other fighters, but they usually did it worse than the original.

I’m not even talking about gameplay to be honest, I’m talking about features and modes from the ground up. The actual gameplay is the only thing that Capcom got right with SF5.

I’m sorry, I felt the same way originally, that at least they got the game play right. Yet the more I play, the more noticeable the input delay is, and that basic footsies and punishes are gimped for certain characters more than others.

What people keep calling shimmy, is not necessarily real shimmy at all, it’s doing shit that abuses moves with 4 frames of start up that lead to huge damage, like Ken’s so called b.st.mp, chain to st.hp to whatever Ken damn well pleases and doing it outside of throw distance. I agree with PR Balrog. Everyone is playing the same way, no matter which character that use, as long as they have a 3 frame jab and some abusiveable garbage above.

Then you add in the lag online, the fact that PC users can have less input lag, and that you need to keep a PS3 stick or PS4 stick in legacy mode (if you can switch it in to PS3 mode) just to try to trim down the input delay, and the gameplay ends up feeling completely fucked.

Yeah I guess I should have said arguably the only thing they got right.

[amrraed]

I found GGxrd and KI tutorials to be extremely boring.

No new player will ever have the attention span to learn all of that shit in an hour.

[DevilJin_01]

I really believe in good tutorials, but in the end the desire to get good cant be put into a game mode.

[Pertho]

I found GGxrd and KI tutorials to be extremely boring.

No new player will ever have the attention span to learn all of that shit in an hour.

Whether they want to learn is besides the point. Having good tools available for when they do is what’s important.

[NeloVergil]

I found GGxrd and KI tutorials to be extremely boring.

No new player will ever have the attention span to learn all of that shit in an hour.

Whether they want to learn is besides the point. Having good tools available for when they do is what’s important.

It’s especially important when anyone wants to take the next step in skill. Good tutorials teach you the basics of the character/game. Great tutorials help you get better at the mid level. Things like show hit/hurtboxes, frame data, optimal combos, w/e that help push players beyond just being casual players.

[Mangy_Cat]

Dat Injustice 2 trailer.

I wonder if that adapting shit is a new mechanic, or variations.

Pls let me play as Darksied.

I thought the trailer was awesome. Seeing Supergirl was hype.
Never heard of Atrocitus or Gorilla Grodd though.

[Xhominid]

I remember Xrd’s tutorial as the best tutorial in a fighting game I’d ever used. It explains so much and doesn’t skip on advanced concepts. The amount of different modes to train through is great as well, overall it’s just super accessible without simplifying the gameplay because the learning resources are all present within the game.

It’s crazy how good yet underrated/played I think Xrd is.

KI’s tutorials is also surprisingly good, though apparently not as fun as Xrd.
I was full of hope when I first launched SFV and saw the interactive tutorial, even if it basically just teaches you to walk forward press buttons. Then the actual tutorials came out and… they were once again just videos like the ones you may have already watched on Youtube in the previous month. The character intro vids they did for their channel are actually much better than the ones in the game.

Will Capcom ever learn how to introduce people into fighting games instead of leaving all useful informations behind a paywall for those who are willing to get their official guides?

I agree with this. It honestly baffles me how Capcom honestly believes that casuals will go find tutorials and in-depth analysis of how to play their character on Youtube or Twitch…when casuals aren’t even remotely hardcore like that.
I tried doing that for Blazblue CT and it just didn’t click because I always had to go do countless play by plays of how the combo was supposed to work or the intricacies of the actual game. So when they finally released Blazblue CS and added in a Trial Mode with a Sampler later on the line, it was made alot more obvious what you are supposed to do and how.

It was the same thing in DOA5, fixed in DOA5U and pretty much became a standard in fighting games after that. So to see SFV, the game that was supposed to bring casuals in, basically say “Fuck you, go look online” for a few months until they released trial…and before that have a half-assed “tutorial”, it just screams of barely giving a fuck.

Even stubborn ass Bamco at least started giving niggas a decent tutorial (TTT2). I’m waiting on my god damned ingame frame data though bamco.

DOA5U(not sure if it was in DOA5) has one of the best training menus I’ve seen. You can easily do a single attack and not only get how much damage or whether it is a high, low or mid(even in the air which can confuse people pretty badly), but even give you frame data for EVERY ATTACK on top of telling you what type of attack it is(It doesn’t just tell you + frames, it also tells you - frames even if it’s not a block.)

I honestly expected something similar for SFV to have a system like this…nope, you gotta download an APP for it.

I really believe in good tutorials, but in the end the desire to get good cant be put into a game mode.

Even though I agree with the gist of what you are saying(that no amount of tutorials will help someone who doesn’t want to get better), as the other 2 stated, it DOES help immensely for those who do want to get to the next level.
And for those people, the best tutorials that teaches them the in’s and outs of the game(and if you want to go further, how to play a fighting game in general).