The Street Fighter V Lounge - Balrog Mains on Suicide Watch

[DevilJin_01]

South Central fighting game getting 3,000+ entrants and still going? I love South Central. This is my home. Drinking 40’s, eating Hip Hop chicken and playing SFV 4 lyfe.

Anything is possible with SFV. If we can come up out of the hood and get it on the big stage at Evo, sure 4 days. Let’s do 4 days

[Slizzard]

Saw on the front page today that SFV has reached over 3000 participants for EVO and counting. That beats USFIV by nearly 800 entrants. Now granted this doesn’t really give a picture on how well SFV is doing in general. But on the competitive side of things. SFV is looking to have a very bright future. But I wonder. Is that 3000 or possibly even 4000 entrants a bit much? If the series gets too big competitively. Would they have to dedicate a whole day for Street Fighter at EVO or extend EVO to 4 days?

Well they did sf4 on friday up to top 8, then nothing on saturday…so I guess this time it might have to be friday/saturday/sunday. Will probably take more volunteers to be judges and more stations but it can be done. Hey maybe we’ll have “off stream, Daigo just got sent to losers in hotel room 639!” Then some random dude is running around in the hallway going wooooooooooooooooo!

[YorKeY]

" People who say V- Reversal is useless just don’t understand the game at high level, and can’t grasp what goes on in the minds of high level players. " - Valle

Shut up Valle, V-Reversal’s suck in this game, and you’re better off just blocking and saving it for V Trigger. >.>

I mean seriously, if this was an anime fighter, or fast marvel type fighter, i’d totally see this being useful, but honestly, this looks like they just added it for the sake of adding it. Imagine if this game didn’t have V- Reversal’s in the first place? It would seem like a pretty dull fucking game that’s lacking “mechanics.”

Even in KoF, they have something called (guard cancel blow back) which works similar to this, but it’s okay, cause you can literally rushdown people in that game with aggressive short hops aerials, but in SFV? C’mon now. V- Reversal is a shitty mechanic, don’t care what you say.

If i’m wrong, and they discover some type of unblockable tech after V-Reversal in the future, than i’m “wrong.”

V- Reversal will see just as much light as UCD did, not much, but it will be there.

[drunkards_walk]

I think Bison’s dead angle is actually really godlike, the unfortunate thing is so is his VT

[Plaid_Unicorn]

I think eventually it will become match up specific for some characters (e.g Bison should use V-trigger vs Ryu, but should stick to V-reversals against Karin).

I think it’s more for characters that don’t have a dp to use.

It’s funny because it was a Karin match That came to my mind . That corner Karin special is no joke on bisons stun meter. One fuck up and your a few normals and throw away from stun.

That v reversal is needed to get out of that damn corner. But I’m ignorant and never use it cuz v trigger ex Devils reverse too icy

[DevilJin_01]

The way you play Bison is just build up super then when they do anything, mash super. It works.

Tiger knee super makes you look cool.

[Slizzard]

The way you play Bison is just build up super then when they do anything, mash super. It works.

Tiger knee super makes you look cool.

They can’t do that busy doing random EX stomps. blocked stomp, followup comes down, opponent stuffs it with jump back jab

Bison: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! DO IT AGAIN!”

[drunkards_walk]

The way you play Bison is just build up super then when they do anything, mash super. It works.

Tiger knee super makes you look cool.

If you really want to look like a G, hit them with the cross-up super…forreal, its an amazing way to close out an opponent in chip range

[Phantom_Angel]

I feel like this punishment system has high potential for abuse. That is, if the community is responsible for reporting people

Does it also mean the community can get Low Tier Fraud permabanned?

Is there a SF5 montage yet?

He doesn’t RQ in SFV.

[drunkards_walk]

Finally have a weekend free from work/school tomorrow, can’t wait to grind on 5 all day

[RagingStormX]

Its dumb how you dont’ get experience in battle lounge.

They don’t want people playing with friends and letting them kill each other fast to grind points.

[Plaid_Unicorn]

The way you play Bison is just build up super then when they do anything, mash super. It works.

Tiger knee super makes you look cool.

They can’t do that busy doing random EX stomps. blocked stomp, followup comes down, opponent stuffs it with jump back jab

Bison: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! DO IT AGAIN!”

That’s that bison swag… works 67% of the time, 100% of the time

[Eternal]

Apparently Command throws vs Regular throw and command throw vs command throw works like Air throw vs air throw. Odd frame = P1 wins, even frame = P2 wins. You’d think that command throws would have priority over regular throws if they connected on the same frame. Kind of silly.

[Slizzard]

Apparently Command throws vs Regular throw and command throw vs command throw works like Air throw vs air throw. Odd frame = P1 wins, even frame = P2 wins. You’d think that command throws would have priority over regular throws if they connected on the same frame. Kind of silly.

I’ve had experiences where it feels like regular throws are command throw invincible. s. lp (blocked, +2 to mika) typhoon with me getting thrown out of it. Many, many, many, many many many many times. Throws are 5 frames, her typhoon is 5 frames, what the fuck?

I’ve tested it with the damn dummy and throws do NOT beat command throws like that, the dummy eats it every time. Why does it happen SO MUCH against humans? Makes me want to throw shit across the room because I know I’m not mistiming it and certainly if I was the buffer would take care of it!

[mowr]

Apparently Command throws vs Regular throw and command throw vs command throw works like Air throw vs air throw. Odd frame = P1 wins, even frame = P2 wins. You’d think that command throws would have priority over regular throws if they connected on the same frame. Kind of silly.

Ughhh really? We don’t need randomness, Capcom patch this please.

[Slizzard]

Apparently Command throws vs Regular throw and command throw vs command throw works like Air throw vs air throw. Odd frame = P1 wins, even frame = P2 wins. You’d think that command throws would have priority over regular throws if they connected on the same frame. Kind of silly.

Ughhh really? We don’t need randomness, Capcom patch this please.

I’m sure this will be high on their priority list =P

[Highlandfireball]

I think V-reversal might be handy against Dhalsim, he seems to get away with a lot of strings in this game that other characters don’t or get punished for.

I’m surprised they made him this strong.

[Wikum]

holy shit ken’s dash if there’s even the slightest lag is absolutely ridiculous lol.

[pootnannies]

Sirlin did a good podcast about the execution barrier subject recently. He talked about “if you can do a thing, you must do a thing.” Which basically means if a character can do a thing but it’s really hard, all you’ve done is hide the real character from the majority of your playerbase. It’s not enough to say “well that’s only there for the technical players at the highest level.” Anyone who wants to play that character past a low or maybe mid level will have to pay that same execution tax. It wastes time, turns potential players off, and naturally takes away from the actually interesting skills we want to test.

If you have a technique that relies on finger voodoo to execute, you should either simplify the technique so it isn’t that hard to do, or change the move if that would make it too powerful.

The core of the argument is “what skills are interesting to test.” Simplifying execution lowers the skill ceiling to be sure. But is “he can hit these 1F links all in a row” or “he can do this SJC instant air blah blah reliably” a skill we really care about testing? Sirlin suggested “you could make a fighting game where you must fight your opponent and also bake a cake. and that’d raise the skill ceiling because baking a cake is harder than not baking a cake. but do we care about how well someone can bake a cake when playing fighting games?” He also quoted Seth Killian who said no one watches a Daigo vs Valle match and thinks “wow I was really impressed with how they threw all their fireballs without messing up. truly the mark of a high level player.” We care about the battle of their minds, the ground game and zoning and outthinking each other.

Sirlin also talked about the importance of capturing player intent. If a player intends to do something but fails because the execution was difficult, you could just as easily blame the control scheme as blame the player.
I suggest giving it a listen, I found it pretty insightful. It’s somewhere recent on his website.

Sirlin is like a broken record. if you read anything he posts or says about fighting games, it’s mostly the same thing over and over. the guy hates execution so much and over-emphasizes the importance of strategy in anything and everything. he should stick to card games.

execution is important. in a real time game, it adds immersion and depth. i disagree with the notion that watching top players pull off hard to do combos, hit confirms and quick reactions is not impressive. i find both the execution and strategy entertaining. it also adds more challenge for the player over the long run of the game’s life cycle. also, execution doesn’t necessarily take away from watching the battle of their minds, zoning and out thinking each other, it just adds more layers making it even more interesting.

Rising Thunder got boring fast. there’s not much to master except match ups.

i’m surprised you listen to probably the biggest 3S hater of all time.

[bisonator]

I’m eagerly waiting to hear details on what’s coming in March. I hope we get things touched up a bit. UI and shadow textures. BGM options. A change to how colours are unlocked. More online lobby options. A simple arcade mode. What’s in the shop? I want costumes/colours.

I’m worried about the story mode. It would be hard for Capcom not to meet my low expectations but I can see them failing to do it. As long as it not just like the prologues again I’ll take it.