The Street Fighter V Lounge - Balrog Mains on Suicide Watch

FengShuiEnergy · February 27, 2016, 8:50am

TINYANGRYCRAB:

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drunkards_walk:

Just came across a Ken with a 15 win streak. As soon as the match started he used Ken’s full screen teleport to close the gap. It was hard, but I had to let him kill me rather than DQ…ended up losing over a 100 points for it lol

One of the reasons I don’t play ranked anymore. Now that I got my silver title (it’s got that nice blue) I don’t have to put up with stupid ranked stuff anymore. It’s great. Now I can actually play the game again.

I’m in the nightmare of trying for gold, I’m at like 3600 and every time I beat someone good they quit. Then when I lose it’s to someone just low enough to where I lose so many points it takes 3 wins to get them back, any of which those wins might be more quits. It suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

I feel your pain, struggling through the killers in bronze at the moment and let me tell you those guys are packing some serious tech~

Yeah jab jab cross up is the new thing these days.

I was gona go for gold (just so I can get the trophy) then probably derank back to silver (not super or ultra, silver silver).

MICHAEL419 · February 27, 2016, 8:51am

Watched the end of that. He knew nothing about Karin, or about whiff punishing apparently. He eventually got so mad he cussed the viewers out for not getting a donation and turned the stream off. He used to talk so much shit about Max and his perceived greed and he literally told his stream to fuck off cause no one donated. He is selling shirts too btw. Get yours today

Slizzard · February 27, 2016, 8:51am

TINYANGRYCRAB:

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drunkards_walk:

Just came across a Ken with a 15 win streak. As soon as the match started he used Ken’s full screen teleport to close the gap. It was hard, but I had to let him kill me rather than DQ…ended up losing over a 100 points for it lol

One of the reasons I don’t play ranked anymore. Now that I got my silver title (it’s got that nice blue) I don’t have to put up with stupid ranked stuff anymore. It’s great. Now I can actually play the game again.

I’m in the nightmare of trying for gold, I’m at like 3600 and every time I beat someone good they quit. Then when I lose it’s to someone just low enough to where I lose so many points it takes 3 wins to get them back, any of which those wins might be more quits. It suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

I feel your pain, struggling through the killers in bronze at the moment and let me tell you those guys are packing some serious tech~

The annoying thing is the people that are in low 2000s are just good enough that when you’re playing Mika you have to be careful because she has tough matchups against common characters people play in that range like Ryu, Nash, and Karin. Then I want to rage quit when I do lose to some random bullshit. I actually have ragequitted but fortunately only twice so far. Not proud of it but MAN, This ranking shit is rough when people do that to you over and over…but then you eat the FULL LOSS when you lose.

ElectroManiac · February 27, 2016, 8:53am

Daigo VS Kazunoko right now

TINYANGRYCRAB · February 27, 2016, 8:54am

Slizzard:

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FengShuiEnergy:

drunkards_walk:

Just came across a Ken with a 15 win streak. As soon as the match started he used Ken’s full screen teleport to close the gap. It was hard, but I had to let him kill me rather than DQ…ended up losing over a 100 points for it lol

One of the reasons I don’t play ranked anymore. Now that I got my silver title (it’s got that nice blue) I don’t have to put up with stupid ranked stuff anymore. It’s great. Now I can actually play the game again.

I’m in the nightmare of trying for gold, I’m at like 3600 and every time I beat someone good they quit. Then when I lose it’s to someone just low enough to where I lose so many points it takes 3 wins to get them back, any of which those wins might be more quits. It suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

I feel your pain, struggling through the killers in bronze at the moment and let me tell you those guys are packing some serious tech~

The annoying thing is the people that are in low 2000s are just good enough that when you’re playing Mika you have to be careful because she has tough matchups against common characters people play in that range like Ryu, Nash, and Karin. Then I want to rage quit when I do lose to some random bullshit. I actually have ragequitted but fortunately only twice so far. Not proud of it but MAN, This ranking shit is rough when people do that to you over and over…but then you eat the FULL LOSS when you lose.

The only thing keeping me sane through getting bodied and over and over is the idea that it’s all grist for the experience mill, and you’re always better off having played a bunch and lost than not having played I guess!

twocoins · February 27, 2016, 8:55am

got 5k lp right now.

And man i think the rank system is kind of flawed. sometimes i get matched with a bronze/silver. Just because they are bronze doesn’t mean they are lesser skilled players. It could be Jwwongs 5th account or some good to pro player finally started up the rank. I will only win like 10-15 lp but if i lose i lose 160lp. So really, what incentive is it for me to play other than just being a waste of time? Risk losing nearly 160lp or win and get 10lp? Either let me win more at least 25 or put a cap at how much i lose. Like i should not lose 160 to a bronze, but they should for sure win that much i wouldnt mind losing around 75-95. But seeing triple digits then i get salty.

And it’s not very often i play people in my own rank. so i have to win like 4-6 games to even get back what i lost. Then the higher rank the more ragequiters you will come across. So your not even get any points for the WINS you do get.

Slizzard · February 27, 2016, 8:58am

TINYANGRYCRAB:

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drunkards_walk:

Just came across a Ken with a 15 win streak. As soon as the match started he used Ken’s full screen teleport to close the gap. It was hard, but I had to let him kill me rather than DQ…ended up losing over a 100 points for it lol

One of the reasons I don’t play ranked anymore. Now that I got my silver title (it’s got that nice blue) I don’t have to put up with stupid ranked stuff anymore. It’s great. Now I can actually play the game again.

I’m in the nightmare of trying for gold, I’m at like 3600 and every time I beat someone good they quit. Then when I lose it’s to someone just low enough to where I lose so many points it takes 3 wins to get them back, any of which those wins might be more quits. It suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

I feel your pain, struggling through the killers in bronze at the moment and let me tell you those guys are packing some serious tech~

The annoying thing is the people that are in low 2000s are just good enough that when you’re playing Mika you have to be careful because she has tough matchups against common characters people play in that range like Ryu, Nash, and Karin. Then I want to rage quit when I do lose to some random bullshit. I actually have ragequitted but fortunately only twice so far. Not proud of it but MAN, This ranking shit is rough when people do that to you over and over…but then you eat the FULL LOSS when you lose.

The only thing keeping me sane through getting bodied and over and over is the idea that it’s all grist for the experience mill, and you’re always better off having played a bunch and lost than not having played I guess!

Yeah I wouldn’t mind that, it’s just the randomness of ranked. I wish ranked was a best of 3 where you could get some reads before you figured out “oh this guy is super high ranked so you assume he’s not gonna wake up dp 6 times in a row…OH WAIT HE IS”

purbeast · February 27, 2016, 9:01am

Its dumb how you dont’ get experience in battle lounge.

TINYANGRYCRAB · February 27, 2016, 9:01am

Slizzard:

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FengShuiEnergy:

drunkards_walk:

Just came across a Ken with a 15 win streak. As soon as the match started he used Ken’s full screen teleport to close the gap. It was hard, but I had to let him kill me rather than DQ…ended up losing over a 100 points for it lol

One of the reasons I don’t play ranked anymore. Now that I got my silver title (it’s got that nice blue) I don’t have to put up with stupid ranked stuff anymore. It’s great. Now I can actually play the game again.

I’m in the nightmare of trying for gold, I’m at like 3600 and every time I beat someone good they quit. Then when I lose it’s to someone just low enough to where I lose so many points it takes 3 wins to get them back, any of which those wins might be more quits. It suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

I feel your pain, struggling through the killers in bronze at the moment and let me tell you those guys are packing some serious tech~

The annoying thing is the people that are in low 2000s are just good enough that when you’re playing Mika you have to be careful because she has tough matchups against common characters people play in that range like Ryu, Nash, and Karin. Then I want to rage quit when I do lose to some random bullshit. I actually have ragequitted but fortunately only twice so far. Not proud of it but MAN, This ranking shit is rough when people do that to you over and over…but then you eat the FULL LOSS when you lose.

The only thing keeping me sane through getting bodied and over and over is the idea that it’s all grist for the experience mill, and you’re always better off having played a bunch and lost than not having played I guess!

Yeah I wouldn’t mind that, it’s just the randomness of ranked. I wish ranked was a best of 3 where you could get some reads before you figured out “oh this guy is super high ranked so you assume he’s not gonna wake up dp 6 times in a row…OH WAIT HE IS”

I love wake up dp because it feels like the great leveller - doesn’t matter how good you are, I’m forcing you to play rock paper scissors with me, and I bet you ain’t got my RPS tech!

Plaid_Unicorn · February 27, 2016, 9:17am

she could retire all chun cos pla… Bruh

drunkards_walk · February 27, 2016, 9:19am

Who is she?

Plaid_Unicorn · February 27, 2016, 9:21am

natascha encinosa

Y’all niggas welcome

FengShuiEnergy · February 27, 2016, 9:24am

Damn…thick thighs alright. She must work out. Wouldn’t wanna get her mad. Break your face with dem legs and more. But very pretty nonetheless.

I’m surprised SJW’s aren’t over this yet. WOMEN WITHOUT PROPER CLOTHING ARE A HINDRANCE TO SOCIETY!!! CENSOR THAT SHIT!

Niiobu · February 27, 2016, 9:25am

purbeast · February 27, 2016, 9:28am

Hollar if anyone wanna run a set.

FengShuiEnergy · February 27, 2016, 9:29am

Get her to do a Juri cosplay.

d3v · February 27, 2016, 9:32am

That’s because he’s discovered that Karin is a charge character.

Tebbo · February 27, 2016, 9:35am

IglooBob:

Sirlin did a good podcast about the execution barrier subject recently. He talked about “if you can do a thing, you must do a thing.” Which basically means if a character can do a thing but it’s really hard, all you’ve done is hide the real character from the majority of your playerbase. It’s not enough to say “well that’s only there for the technical players at the highest level.” Anyone who wants to play that character past a low or maybe mid level will have to pay that same execution tax. It wastes time, turns potential players off, and naturally takes away from the actually interesting skills we want to test.

If you have a technique that relies on finger voodoo to execute, you should either simplify the technique so it isn’t that hard to do, or change the move if that would make it too powerful.

The core of the argument is “what skills are interesting to test.” Simplifying execution lowers the skill ceiling to be sure. But is “he can hit these 1F links all in a row” or “he can do this SJC instant air blah blah reliably” a skill we really care about testing? Sirlin suggested “you could make a fighting game where you must fight your opponent and also bake a cake. and that’d raise the skill ceiling because baking a cake is harder than not baking a cake. but do we care about how well someone can bake a cake when playing fighting games?” He also quoted Seth Killian who said no one watches a Daigo vs Valle match and thinks “wow I was really impressed with how they threw all their fireballs without messing up. truly the mark of a high level player.” We care about the battle of their minds, the ground game and zoning and outthinking each other.

Sirlin also talked about the importance of capturing player intent. If a player intends to do something but fails because the execution was difficult, you could just as easily blame the control scheme as blame the player.
I suggest giving it a listen, I found it pretty insightful. It’s somewhere recent on his website.

The only problem with this is that it ignores the joy of fingers pressing buttons and the fun of doing technical things.
When there is no technical quality the game is just as lacking.

We have a fighting game which is built on this entire principle. I have played it. I played it for about 10 minutes, closed it and have not touched it since. It was not fun to me at all.

It’s not that we want people to fail inputs. We don’t want inputs to determine things either. What we do want is the enjoyment of physically interacting with an interface and mentally interacting with another person.

Sirlin is a smart successful guy but he’s just one person with one perspective.

As for intent and control scheme etc.
We choose a game partly based on control scheme.

A FPS controls different from an RTS which controls different from a fighting game, which controls different from Steel Battalion.
You made a choice. To blame interface is odd. You choose to play basketball and then blame the ball because you suck at dribbling? Alright.

drunkards_walk · February 27, 2016, 9:39am

Damn Chun Li does an absurd amount of stun

FengShuiEnergy · February 27, 2016, 9:45am

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