The Street Calibur 5 Lounge: The Soul Burns But not as Hard as the FGC is Burning

Did we even talk about MK? I think I missed it. :rofl:

I see what you’re saying, and I get it. But I felt bad for ruining the dude’s life. He has guilt and was willing to atone for all the evil that he did. I consider those consequences. Living with intense guilt like that would have to be hell and I don’t think him rotting in a cell would make anything better.
Sure, it would give his victims the peace of mind that he won’t be able to hurt them or anyone else again, but he’s not going to do that!
And in normal circumstances, there’s no way to actually tell if someone really ever feels guilt for their actions or truly understand what they did is wrong, so i agree that normally, putting people like him in jail is totally the right move.

I don’t have a good answer for this :woman_shrugging: he pushed a person to suicide, and I think that’s unforgivable.

But taking revenge on a reformed person who won’t repeat their past sins and are on the straight and narrow also seems wrong.

That’s why I’m enjoying the story so much! It makes me ponder moral dilemmas and second guess all my past convictions regarding reformation, rehabilitation, crime, and punishment! you know, the really fun shit!

The FGC has always had people unwilling to learn since the start.
Lets not forget the idiots using “gentlemen” rules, like allowing themselves to be trhown if they accidentally threw their opponent.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/943711-street-fighter-iv/48533804

He makes these point later in the video, but the three reasons why it matters are:

1 - you get to see how other people are playing against the people you personally are getting your ass kicked by
2 - the guys watching your games will definitely notice shit you’re doing wrong when you’re watching
3 - is one guy beating everyone? I bet your ass that when you go to get some food after the games, everyone will be brainstorming on how to beat him.

All of these things happen constantly when I’m playing offline. Online though? Nah. Nobody watched my games when playing online and there’s no local king of the hill we bitch about while eating our burgers and extra salty fries because there are no burgers online.

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Uh, Kamoshida was fucking with high school students. It’s implied even sexually. One tried to commit suicide. We really trying to offer this dude a redemption arc or like…? Dude could’ve literally died at the end of that arc and I would’ve felt no remorse lmfao. He only felt bad when some magical force came into play and changed his personality entirely. He would’ve continued abusing students for as long as he could’ve otherwise. Dude deserves everything he got.

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Well, that is not really a problem of playing online.
I do all of that both offline and online.

In fact, in some cases i had seen better results online because the game in question doesnt really have a scene on my country beyond casual level.

You can still hang online talking about the matches you had with your friends, and you can still have a small group talk about the matches that are happening via chat, be text or voice.

Another benefit is that you can have external povs from people that are not part of your local scene.

There are plenty of people willing to help you out improve that watch your vods to check what you could be doing wrong.

We have seen it happen here.
Nothing stops people from having the same dynamic they have offline.

The only thing that i could give is that playing online will never be the same as playing offline due all varibles you can have during a match that are outside your control

p5 honestly disappointed the shit out of me, that game had no balls after the first arc, inconsistent themes, and dumb even by anime standards plot points

I mean I still played all of it but I was mostly left unsatisfied

Yeah it’s fun to have this discussions, and part of why I like the game so much. I think it might help you to look at it more along the lines of the protagonists are seeking justice, not revenge. It can be easy to think differently given how personal the animosity is for the characters towards Kamoshida, and their repeated expressions to see him “pay” for what he did, but there’s an evolution in their perspective as the story goes on as to WHY they continue to do this. And the answer they keep coming back to is standing up for people who have been abused, and finding justice.

What drives Ryuji into finding his persona is righteous anger over a man happily getting away with abuse, and for Ann it’s defense of her friend.

As for whether Kamoshida feeling personal atonement was punishment enough…I don’t think so, personally. The man was so willing to bask in the praise his public accomplishments earned him, so why should his crimes not be equally as public? I don’t see how he could have truly repented for what he did if he didn’t make his actions known through a public confession, and there’s no way he could continue on as a teacher after he admitted his abuse.

If he felt bad about what he did, but kept it secret, I don’t think their job would have been done.

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Here’s the thing tho. It’s one thing to have scrubs with scrub mentalities. That will always happen. In fact, go check the Xenoverse 2 subreddit and I’ll assure you you’ll see some horribly scrubby takes.

Take for example, the old days. You’ll definitely remember this better than me, but this kind of shit only really flied in GameFAQ’s.

When you posted something like this in SRK or Dustloop, people would at least try to educate you that your view on that is wrong. You’d probably get clowned on too.

So one of two options happened: You either realized your mistake and started learning and building your game, or you’d throw a tantrum and realize you ain’t built to hang around people that play the game.

This is different than people putting SFV’s trash ass characters in S+ Tier and crying for nerfs 24/7. Very different. Even some pro players do this shit. It’s frankly ridiculous.

Oh, you wanna talk about whiny, entitled communities that would rather see nerfs on characters that don’t need it instead of learning the matchup?

Lemme show you a little game called DBFZ…

In theory. In practice, at least from my experience, most of the things I was referring to above are things that just happen naturally offline, while you have to make an active effort to emulate them online, so only people that are really motivated to get better (or actively help people get better) will do them. If you’re hanging out with people offline, even unmotivated players will end up doing these things and getting / providing these benefits by pure accident. Hence it being harder.

You really gotta start playing 3rd Strike with us.

And besides that, if you take a look at the older threads, and I mean “We all played SFV” old, you’ll see that we usually ran big lobbies with the inevitable wait while spectating and commented on it later.

Hell, you can probably see the SCVI crew commentate on this thread about their games.

It’s a matter of mentality. And without a doubt the most important thing in lobbies is voice chatting. For two big reasons: You can talk shit and rile people up, which makes the fights more fun since you actually want to beat people up and the mid-match critique. Post-match discussions can go in Discord/Forums.

If that’s not happening, it’s because as a community, the FGC is failing. And it’s failing because there isn’t a sense of community to a lot of places where players hang out.

Which is why, again: Forums > Discord >>>>> Everything else >>>> The dirt > The worms inside of the dirt > Popo’s stool >>>>>>>>> Twitter.

The thing is that SRK and DL started as hubs for competitive players, so that is why you saw the scrubby mentality being mocked.

The problem is that even pros can have scrub mentality moments.
Is not exclussive to this gen of players, it has always been a thing.

And like i pointed out, the gentlemen rules were not a gamefaqs thing, but something that happened irl at arcade centers.

There were also stories here about people getting stabbed at an arcade because they didnt play with scrub rules.

I disagree.
For example, when i play with some friends we make a voice chat and are hanging on talking trash to each other and also giving advice when playing.

Is just a matter of habits.
If you and your friends dont have the habit on hanging online via chat, then is obvious you wouldnt have that kind of dynamic when playing online.

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The forum is alive today.

And it all started from Iroha’s ass.

Good times.

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While we’re on the topic, anyone want to play MK11 with me? PS4, Kitana-main.

I’m absolute ass tier but I’m really digging the game right now (I think the simple addition of armor breaks helped a lot) and our commentary is always helpful.

And I don’t mean now, but just in general

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No, your PSN is Mattatsu_ :crazy_face:

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Sure! I can later tonight. I’ll mostly be doing ignorant Sheeva nonsense.

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Praise her thicc wholesomenes

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:rofl:

Took me a few minutes to get that. I was like, “what’s wrong with my name?”

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