Get at my boy Bison lookin like a Mega Zord in that alt.
Oh imagine the fun if Bison had a charge overhead like Chun Li’s flip kick. That would be some vicious pressure.
FB negation along with building meter, instead of using that shit azz devils reverse to build meter or nuteral jumping which could land you into big trouble by really good shoto players, I disagree. Negating a FB and building meter at the same time is very help full to a character who has problems against fire ballers with out meter.
Again I agree Bisons current moves need fixing, but handing him Psycho Banish as a new move hitting as an Overhead would easily improve his pressure game.
I think we all understand that M.Bison move-set needs fixing tweaks what have you, but I wouldn’t just limit him to just that?
The article mentions faster FADC’ing, Bison’s FADC from the first hit of scissors as it stands is only a few frames shy of being able to combo into ultra. Maybe we’ll see scissor FADC Ultra I/II? I can definantly see scissor FADC xx lvl 2 focus, Ultra I/II, as that stands its seriously only like 2-3 frames away from happening.
wow, just wow
first of all, telling me that Bisons ultra makes him overpowered, is fucking wrong. I don’t care if it does 500 damage. Not hard to just NOT THROW FIREBALLS. Even if you do, still have to hope bison can time it, and we still don’t 100% know how the control on the ultra is. Pulling back shortens it, and forward makes full screen…great, so what about medium distances? Also, fast recovery time means fuck all. DR has fast recovery too, doesn’t stop that from being teched or countered, or what have you.
Secondly, why did ANYBODY bring up tier rankings for SFIV, in a SSFIV discussion? Who cares what his ranking supposedly is, when the top 5 are so obviously ahead of the rest of the field??? Who cares when all characters are getting fixed in SSFIV??? Know where that top ten ranking will matter? SF4.
Next, his current ultra is horrible. Came here to post about that originally before seeing like 5 new pages of whining. Can’t punish jumpins properly (why the FUCK can an opponent just land and block easily, unless they’re Balrog???), does mediocre chip damage, gets fucked up with teleports often (i know HOW to not mess it up, but tell me u dont still mess up when it comes down to it?), Has stupid problems getting through fireballs, and starts too slow (many opponents can cLP and recover in time to not get hit by it). Add to that the amount of ex and special moves that flat out counter it, go through it, or cause a weird glitch to happen (ie Akuma’s air hadoken, or Vega’s ex Wall Dive, for instance). Of all the things we complained about, we should have complained about his horrible ultra. The only good thing about it, is that when/if it connects, it looks pretty cool. You damn well know I am busting out Ultra 2, and never looking back, unless something changes with his current ultra.
Like I said way back when, having a selection of ultras is great if you have two good ultras. Otherwise, your character becomes predictable (seeing as your opponent will generally know exactly which ultra you will be using before you even pick it), and ruined.
Also, can anybody explain how FADC into ultra 1 would work, when you would need to focus, dash, and then rebuild charge, then perform the ultra movements. This isn’t QCFx2 people.
And i still don’t see how ‘amazing’ Psycho Banish would be if Bison got it. With tools like focusing, easy mashable SRKs, and people praying to Psycho Jesus that it will be an overhead, who in the fuck cares???
Imagine just to punish an hadouken with
jf+HP ->nearHP -> HKscissors -> lvl 2 focus -> Ultra1
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Lvl 2 Focus dash into Ultra I is easy peesy, something is wrong with your execution. Hell I can even do it straight out of a back/forward dash alone, I think you underestimate the leniency in this game, you don’t even have to partition it.
A good stepping stone is performing lvl 2 focus xx St. Hp xx HK SK, if you get that timing down, you can get the ultra timing down as it is exactly the same, it’s his most damaging punish and the only one I ever use without Ultra being available.
Since when can you focus adsorb/null (or whatever you wanna call it) a multi hitter (depending on the strength of the punch button used for Psycho Banish) special move like Psycho banish? 2)it negates FBs and it can be used as a combo ender, its good to use as anti air. Better to build meter with that then Devils Reverse, and if it was made to hit like an overhead in SSfIV that would make it all the more better, and I think its simple to see just who the fuck cares since you jumped in the discussion and more then one have brought it up in the Dictator request thread.
IDK who you were referring to with this but:
for one we don’t know what the ultra does but from what the leaker was saying it seemed like the ultra would be a bit much if it’s quick, it can fuck up a fireball on reaction and it does a lot of damage. Of course we don’t know what it does or how it works so all of this is speculation. You’re at a 10 when you need to be at a 2.
It doesn’t mean it will necessarily be OP but it could potentially be OP and that’s a valid concern. It also kind of goes towards the fucked up philosophy that is SFIV in general which is to benefit those who don’t take risks over those who do.
for the record when I asked people if they really wanted bison to be the new sagat i was being facetious. obviously bison won’t be sagat level but there is always the risk with any small change in a system or a character that the balance can get insane. This isn’t the first time it’s happened. IIRC ibuki went from seriously powerful to mediocre from 2I to 3S
- because it’s relevant
- wait, what? the top 5 are better than everyone else? who would have though? yeah, they’re good, but a more important question is asking why they’re good and why bison isn’t and putting it in that context which is exactly what everyone was talking about.
- it can if the guy isn’t safe jumping. I do this all the time
- it’s an unsafe move. you shouldn’t be using it to chip. EX PC is a much better chip move. so is a point blank EX HS.
- most Ultras start in about 10 frames. Bison’s is 11. If you’re throwing out an ultra on a move that has fewer frames than that it’s because you’re getting baited. stop falling for it
- shortcuts are a general problem and not unique to bison.
- learn to love the dash into ultra and then parlay that into FADC into ultra. this isn’t abel’s ultra so you can fly through fireballs mid screen but you can use it point blank to punish stupid shotos.
- the damned thing has 16 frames of startup invulnerability. this means if you’re getting hit out of it it’s because you didn’t pay attention to your spacing.
I’ll be the first to say that U1 is pretty bad but it’s not bad because of the Ultra itself: on paper the damned thing has a lot of interesting properties. It’s bad because it can’t really be comboed into and therefore is never really a threat. Again, this isn’t unique to Bison and he’s not any worse off than other characters in without easy to combo Ultras. Hell, at least the damned thing translates.
no argument here. both ultras should be useful and to a certain extent they are. just not in the same way and one is certainly more limited in what it can do - assuming the thing stays the same or some core mechanic doesn’t get changed.
learn the motions. it’s a must for any charge character
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as it is most people can low block and option select tech throw for free because bison can’t force others to stand up and block. it also limits his mixup game. psycho banish was classically an overhead so its inclusion would makeup for this in a serious way. so would a universal overhead or an instant overhead. any way, it doesn’t matter, but bison needs to be able to mess with the opponent’s mind.
the fact that it cancels fireballs is icing on the cake as it would work similar to rose’s banish moves using fireball character’s main zoning tools as an ex meter battery.
don’t tell me you don’t see the utility in that…
I wonder, if charge partitioning came back, would that fix some of the common problems with charge characters or would it be too much?
Yes why want a move that can be a not-charge powerfull combo ender and destroy fireballs building meter?
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umm, if you’re playing bison properly, you should have charge already, so finishing a combo with PC/SK isn’t a problem. If not, just finish with sHK. Destroying fireballs and building meter is great, but DR already pretty mcuh does that (go over them, and build meter, and still play mindgames. I have still yet to see a valid reason why Psycho Banish is sooo needed, rather than “well if it gets overhead…”
there are already a handful of ultra’s that punish fireballs (chunli, abel, seth just to name a few) and not once is it considered OP there. Like i said, if your opponent throws a fireball when u have ultra, it’s not an overpowered ultra, it’s a STUPID OPPONENT.
Learn to read, its a must for any character. I KNOW how to dash ultra. What I said was IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FADC ULTRA1. Please, anybody show me a video of FADC dash ultra.
- yes, its relevant to STREET FIGHTER 4. Saying that new ultras and moves would change his tier rating in SSFIV is idiotic, considering EVERYBODY is changing. We have no idea where anybody will be on the tier list.
- no, what everybody was talking about was how Bison is like 10th best character in the game, as if that fucking meant anything. And I didnt say the top 5 are better than everyone else, that is obvious (thanks there tips for pointing that out). what I said (yet again, reading is soooo much fun) is that the top 5 are way ahead of teh rest of the cast. S tier and A tier is massively stronger than the rest of the tiers.
shit, where is DS and his drinking game when u need it
DR is straight azz don’t compare it. Go read pervious post on Psycho banish, and SSF4 is a game where all the cast get stronger/improved Sagat got a new move again why not the same for M.Bison why limit our Dic?
CURRENT dr is ass, who knows what ssf4 brings
for the reasons state above. if you don’t think it’s needed that’s fine, that’s your opinion and if you can’t see how it could be an important addition to bison’s game whatever, that’s on you. Fact is the general consensus is that it could be useful for the reasons stated above - mainly that PB would be safer than DR, would build EX meter (while FAs built Ultra and need you to pace the FAs so you can get your health back) and it would give bison an overhead and a combo finisher.
we’re talking about a FULL SCREEN fireball punish on REACTION. it’s very different from mid screen or relatively close fireball punish that you kind of have to anticipate. it kills risk reward. we don’t know for sure what the Ultra will do but giving it that kind of power is a bit much. you might want it - hell, I wouldn’t complain if he had it either - but it doesn’t mean that the move wouldn’t be OP without some serious balancing (damage wise for example).
ORLY?
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- you do understand what speculation is about, right?
- It means something in the context of SF4 and it might mean something in the context of SSFIV - we don’t know but it’s relevant in the discussion. It’s not like Ono is going to throw the baby out with the bath water - and they’ve said as much too. He’s going to make incremental changes so the chances are that the foundation of what Bison is is going to remain more or less the same. This alone makes SF4 relevant to SSF4. At the same time, since we don’t know what’s going to happen it could also be that the top tiers remain the same or are completely changed. You’re basing your frustration on the assumption that the top tiers are going to remain in the same place and that Bison needs some kind of serious balancing to compete while the general consensus is otherwise. You’re entitled to your opinion but you don’t have to come here and bash people for having one of their own. If you want to argue the points and explain why you think the way you do you’re more than welcome to but chill out, take a breath and hold back on the punctuation. It’s just a game, no need to get pissed off.
Mhhh… what?
DR-charge and long animation
PB-no charge and animation nearly short as a normal punch
We are talking about more fireballs,not one.
Dictator got nothing like PB,it will make him able to destroy any projectile from a fireball spammer,gaining quickly meter and don’t exposing himself
Try to do this with DR
Not to jump into your little fun argument, but you knew exactly what he meant and it wasn’t that. He’s saying we currently, cannot FADC Nightmare Booster off of anything currently capable of being canceled by the focus attack. He’s not communicating very clearly, I get that, but let’s aim for understanding, not conflict.
DR can also be finished with throw if you anticipate the fireball well enough. I can focus absorb fireballs and build ultra as it is. With Ultra 2, why would I want to rob myself of that for a little bit of super? Also, should be fun trying to Banish ex fireballs, which is pretty much what you will be seeing a ton of. Banish would need to do more than just destroy fireballs and finish combos to be implemented.
I’m WAAAAAY more interested in getting what he currently has, up to par.
oh, actually, that never occurred to me. I thought he mean to dash cancel a focus attack into ultra, which is perfectly doable, and not FADC a move into ultra which obviously isn’t. I worked in tech support for a number of years so I stopped trying to guess what people meant to say a long time ago and simply assume that if someone is trying to make a point he or she will communicate that point correctly or make themselves clearer if they’re not being understood.
I agree though. I’m all for understanding over conflict - which was the gist of my rather long tirade.
Bison with meter = a bigger threat then a Bison with no meter. Hey you can do both, I like having more options then just one. BTW
Im sure your not a bad player…why would you even try to banish an ex fire balls? ok on a serious note Bisons new ultra wont scare good players into not playing the FB zoning game, they will adapt to it and find ways around it. There more to Psycho banish then your acting like, again read previous posts.
Why not both? seriously.