The SSF4 Dictator Request Thread

[SoVi3t]

I love how I just asked a question and caused a fuss.

I was trying to rub in ur face…I was honestly curious. Can’t recall bison winning a big tourney.

and people have to stop bringing up tiers. I really cant think of anybody who said he is low tier. I don’t want a Vega level buff (I hope to GOD they make Vega beefier). But he has tools that are broken and need fixing. I don’t want a crazy crumple stun DR or SD, but I would like it to FUCKING HIT PEOPLE.

Framerates and hitbox is all I’m asking for on a few of moves, and they’re all valid fixes.

Hell, I’m thrilled he’s getting a new move. But for the record, I’ve stated before that I didn’t want a new move for him, and was happy with what he had. Only new move I TRULY wanted was a non shitty jMP (neutral). But I have played him enough to know he has a few moves that are either glitchy vs certain characters (cMK vs Balrog, for one).

HS tracking, I don’t care about. Better hitbox would benefit BOTH sides. I’ve seen bison pull off some questionable Headstomps (headstomps to the ankles make NO sense), just like I’ve seen him miss ones that should have hit.

PC isn’t 100% useless, yeah we get it, it’s not Running Bear Grab or super taunt or anything that horrible. But in all honesty, aside from about 3 or 4 situations (I’m guessing), it’s pointless Only reason its still seen at all is Ex has a few uses. Hell, I’d love just to see the fierce version to be the same as Ex, except maybe not go through them (better recovery, speed and maybe a bit more distance). Damage or stun need to go up. They seemed to want it to be a stun move rather than damage, but the stun is too low if that’s what they intended.

to put it plainly, ALL characters are getting fixes, be it new moves, framerate, recovery, or hitbox. If you like bison the way he is so much, keep playing SFIV. I’m not directing that at anybody in particular, that goes to anybody.

edit: ^^^ cHP is fine. If it was a LITTLE faster (1-2 frames), I wouldn’t complain though. It’s actually not a half bad option vs shoto’s. It reminds me a lot of Rufus cHP.
I feel jMP is a little too psychic, but it doesn’t 100% NEED more priority. I’d like it, but I also wonder if that would affect jMP as a jumpin rather than AA.

[K2theB]

PC isn’t 100% useless, yeah we get it, it’s not Running Bear Grab or super taunt or anything that horrible.

You can cancel any move into super taunt and cancel that into ultra. Therefore, not useless and extremely fun and funny when you can land it. But, PC… only uses… errr… punishing blanka balls? Can’t think of anything else.

Honestly though, his PC has always been crap. PC is his solid staple to his name, but its never been a useful move in any fighting game. IMO, no need to change it up now, but being thrown out of a ex PC definitely needs to be go.

[SoVi3t]

But, PC… only uses… errr… punishing blanka balls? Can’t think of anything else.

benefits I can think of off the top of my head:

aa vs backjumping characters (not all though…Akuma’s hate it)
chip damage to win
it CAN be used as a crossover but the timing is retarded
wierd corner crossovers
stun in combo’s.
wierd spacing/recovery when used in combos

ex has tons of uses too.

I listed the problems with it.

Honestly though, his PC has always been crap. PC is his solid staple to his name, but its never been a useful move in any fighting game. IMO, no need to change it up now, but being thrown out of a ex PC definitely needs to be go.

umm, there have been a few games where its been good. Wasn’t HORRIBLE in SF2etc. I liked it in the CvS games.

Being thrown out of SK sorta makes sense. Thrown out of PC just seems so…wrong. “Eat purple fire you son of a b-…wtf?”

[Kich]

Well I mean, if all else fails, PC does a -shit- load of chip damage (64 over 2 hits).

[Bman]

Oh, look, a link to the guy who used to collate tournament rankings that I must of posted in the SSFIV forum like 20 times.

http://curryallergy.blogspot.com/2009/08/sf4-tourney-results-for-july-and-august.html

Notice how Dictator is around mid/mid high, despite not being that popular.

Sure, he has moves which may not suit their intended purpose, and if everyone’s going to be getting cool stuff like Seth said, then there’s a big list of possible, reasonable buffs, but people talking like he’s low tier, or like he actually needs those other moves to compete in the current game are just wrong.

Holy shit, sense is being made folks. You emo dick players cover your eyes because you might actually have to face the reality that your character is very solid. I’d rep you, but it would be a worthless neutral.

[System_1]

I think bison is GREAT but like Guile, he demands top notch execution to overcome his problems.

Basically you MUST hit c.strong > c.forward 100% to play him at a high level…and that damn link is strict on both timing and spacing.

My buddy hits that shit 90% in matches…its fucking scary as hell when he can do 348 damage without spending meter off one of the best jumpins in the game (jump fierce).

((j.fierce > c.strong > c.forwardxxRH scissors))

or

((Skullcrusher > c.strong > c.forwardxxRH scissors))

Yeah Bison has some damaging combos but the thing is I never see them used in high level play. For instance, off a crouching short that connects, the most damaging combo is to do c.lk>s.lk>c.mk into RH scissors for close to 200 damage. However no one ever does that in high level bison videos I watch, its always just c.lk *3 or 4 into scissors. And yeah you can cross up roundhouse into close standing fierce, crouching short and roundhouse scissors which is also very deadly but I can’t even do that in training mode. My BnBs are suboptimal as far as damage goes. Maybe one day a bison will rise up who will perform all the most optimal BnBs regardless of difficulty.

[Bman]

I never said he wasn’t firmly mid/mid high tier. He certainly is.

His placement on the tiers tell you how well a character does at high level play. You acknowledge his placement and STILL have a skull thick enough to tell me that he doesn’t have the tools to win consistently at high level play?

But winning a tournament in Podunk, Arcadesville at the local 7-11/Gamestop is not going to Evo or God’s Garden and placing top 5.

“They are what we thought they were.” Firmly mid tier.

Ok, so you’re upset that Dick isn’t as good as Akuma, Sagat, or Ryu basically. :lol:

[System_1]

how often you should “cross up” with bison should be more a function of the match up than a matter for personal style imo. There are some characters, (roo) who you shouldn’t be crossing up on wake up hardly ever, and there are others like honda and abel where its a lot more viable.

[SoVi3t]

His placement on the tiers tell you how well a character does at high level play. You acknowledge his placement and STILL have a skull thick enough to tell me that he doesn’t have the tools to win consistently at high level play?

Ok, so you’re upset that Dick isn’t as good as Akuma, Sagat, or Ryu basically. :lol:

even against characters like Rufus and Balrog, and a handful of others, there are problems with certain moves. I’m sure Rog would like cHP to hit when backed into the corner after a HS. As it stands, cHP whiffs every time if bison flies behind him. But I would damn sure like cMK to get fixed, so it doesn’t magically whiff sometimes.

And I shouldn’t need to bring up cMK shoto bs.

Bison has a lot of 5-5 matchups. If other characters are getting buffs, Bison sure as hell isn’t getting just Paint the Fence

[Eji1700]

This is stupid. Bison isn’t crap and no one thinks he is(or if they do they’re morons). No he’s not Sagat and friends but that’s not what everyone in this damn topic is asking for. I would gladly accept nerfs TO EVERYTHING he currently has that keeps him upper mid so long as it meant skulldiver, DR, PC, and hell even non ex headstomp got some sort of buff to make them more viable.

Bison is fine competitively but he’s boring as fuck when it comes to just playing as bison. Who cares if he’s decent now because they’re going to probably change a hell of a lot anyways and if i want to tier whore i’ll do that after the fucking game hits. As far as playing bison goes though i’d at least like to be able to use some of his fucking signature stuff other than once every 10 matches. I know some of it’s just skill but christ how often do you see anyone use shit like skull diver?

[Ouroborus]

bison needs a TOD. (touch of death combo) why? cuz hes fuckin bison and he has one in pretty much every game hes in.

seeing how hes the ultimate boss (fuck seth), its fitting how he should be able to crush you in one hit.

ce: too many tods to name.
ssf2/st/hdr: jump in anything, lk, lk, c.mk, psycho crushaaa
cvs2: paint the fence
a3: some crouch cancel bullshit

[m16ghost]

His statement is valid Bman. Bison does not win high end tournaments.

The reason he isnt a ‘popular’ character as you state is because he lacks the necessary tools to consistently mash out wins in high end play.

Something tells me if Daigo or Justin were playing Bison it would be because he had all the necessary tools to win and i’d imagine his popularity would increase in proportion to his effectiveness.

Justin has mentioned that he thinks Bison is an effective character, but he’s bored when he plays him. They are separate issues.

[SoVi3t]

He IS boring. Reminds me of Guile in the fact that you only use like 3 or 4 attacks in a match, and his combo choices are limited.

[Flashy_Nights]

Bison is not boring, limited, but not boring. I never got tired of playing him, I think Ryu, Sagot and Akuma are boring. Bison is not Trash, SoVi3t has never made that statement, or any other player with common sense, but for some players to claim M.Bison is perfect (no improvements needed, fixs, or new moves) the way he is are just morons, I’m sorry, they stick out far more then the morons that claim M.Bison sucks.

[Shoryu_Reppa]

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/bison-cvs-smash.gif

And make it an overhead.

And make the EX version knockdown.
wooooo

edit:** fuck a knockdown, make it crumple. Give the dude a legit way to combo his current ultra, similar to DeeJays EX Sobat Kicks to Ultra.**

[SoVi3t]

Bison is not boring, limited, but not boring. I never got tired of playing him, I think Ryu, Sagot and Akuma are boring. Bison is not Trash, SoVi3t has never made that statement, or any other player with common sense, but for some players to claim M.Bison is perfect (no improvements needed, fixs, or new moves) the way he is are just morons, I’m sorry, they stick out far more then the morons that claim M.Bison sucks.

better choice of words, my apologies. Although I have been waiting for SSFIV for a new main like a crack fiend. I love Bison to death, but it’s like having a child missing a finger or some shit. I will always wonder what could’ve been.

edit:

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/ch…-cvs-smash.gif

And make it an overhead.

And make the EX version knockdown.
wooooo

make ex two-hit launch instead and I might consider it

[Flashy_Nights]

http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/bison-cvs-smash.gif

And make it an overhead.

And make the EX version knockdown.
wooooo

I would prefer the EX to crumple, instead of a knockdown.

[System_1]

EX scissors crumpling would be too much I think, not just because of ultra but because EX scissors would= instant combo.

[Shoryu_Reppa]

I would prefer the EX to crumple, instead of a knockdown.

At first I was thinking that’d be a bit overpowered… But as long as it can be blocked high then it sounds good. It’d finally give the dude a solid way to combo his current ultra.

EX scissors crumpling…

who said anything about ex scissors?

[Flashy_Nights]

At first I was thinking that’d be a bit overpowered… But as long as it can be blocked high then it sounds good. It’d finally give the dude a solid way to combo his current ultra.

True, I use to think it would be Op also but then I heard that DJ is getting a Ex move that crumples. Y not the original boss?