We’re referring to two different ultra setups. Rufus can do far standing roundhouse, where he waddles a bit before he kicks, which is really slow. Rufus can also do his target combo into roundhouse, where he bends over to kick. That whiffs over crouching opponents.
Giving it to EX PC would be less useful than you’d think. You’d have to space it properly (i.e. almost full screen) to maintain charge, otherwise you’d just fly right through your opponent, lose your ultra charge, or sometimes be too far away for the full ultra to connect.
Comboing into EX-scissors to crumple is an interesting suggestion, but the engine doesn’t give special properties to moves mid-combo. They’d have to specifically make an exception for Bison to do this which is doubtful from a design standpoint.
I don’t have a problem with EX-Scissors crumpling. What I’m saying is that the move will then either 1) not fly full screen or 2) not be invincible, which basically changes the move entirely. IMO, Capcom isn’t about to do that.
deejay has already been said to have invulnerability frames on his kicks. his ex kick flies at least half screen. and maybe a little more.
i know deejay isn’t bison, but they did it with deejay and he’s a charge character. we dont know how the move does against fireballs but we know there is some invuln and they crumple and go a good distance. im not expecting it, im just saying i think its possible and it’d be a nice buff.
on the other hand what we know is most likely to be frame tweaks. i’d like it if cr. fierce were a tiny bit faster, just a bit. not sure what other moves could use frame tweaks? thoughts?
Giving EX Scissors crumple is unnecessary, IF they give him the ability to combo into Ultra more reliably by other means (I’m telling you, making back throw a free juggle set up is the way that makes the most sense for his character and isn’t too scrubby). Then again, if they suitably buff his other moves - and sadly, I’m not betting on it - he wouldn’t need to worry about combing into Ultra reliably at all. I’d prefer they give EX Scissors frame advantage and not knock down a la CE Bison, which a) is good nod for nostalgia and b) gives him a powerful pressure tool that isn’t overpowered.
IF they give EX Scissors crumple, it will lose some other benefit, most likely its invincibility or its speed.
agreed, forgot about that! if anything it’d be nice if EX scissors worked like Rog’s EX punches where he can continue to combo if he hits and is close enough with the window of opportunity smaller with regular scissors. i dont know how the frame data worked with older incarnations of Bison however, so i dont know how it exactly works.
i do think ex scissors to ultra is wayyy too easy. it seems unrewarded to just do one charge move and get a free ultra afterwards, i just dont wanna be stuck with another neglected bison when another charge character gets such good all purpose tools. fighting deejay will be like playing guile with an easy ultra setup. im worried for dictator.
Just thought about something. Bison is going to get a nerf somewhere. Regardless of him having nothing that is OP, something is going to be decreased or taken away. St.HK priority vs grounded opponents? EX HS damage?
Why not give EX PC the invincibility of EX Knee Press and make it faster? That way EX Knee Press losing those properties for crumple wouldn’t be such a detriment.
