The SRK Ethics/ Morality Thread ver. 2.0- Topic: Pedophilies

General Discussion
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I don’t see a moral, ethical or legal dilemma about this. Sexual acts with anyone under the age of consent should be illegal, that shouldn’t change. Pedophilia is wrong, period, because children are not sexually mature or able to consent.
What should change is the treatment of pedophiles. I think we should spend tax dollars to fund research, therapy, campaigns to reach out to pedophiles to inform them that there is treatment for their behaviour. The sex-offender registry shouldn’t change, (except for statutory rape by a teens who are only a few years older than their victims, that needs to change). The public has a right to know if a pedophile is living in their neighbourhood.
What should change though is whether a pedo should lose his aparment or job because the public demands it. I don’t think they should lose their residence, and the only time their employment should be lawfully terminated is if it involves children, eg schools, nurseries, etc.

i have a problem with calling it sexual orientation if it’s only men that exhibit this type of behaviour. I’m not a biologist or a geneticist or anything, this is only my opinion, but if pedophilia is sexual orientation, then we should be seeing an equal number of women who are sexually attracted to children. We should be seeing an equal number of women being arrested for accessing child pornography or molesting children. But we don’t.

In fact, we should be seeing a greater number of female pedophiles because there are a greater number of women in jobs that deal with pre-pubescent children: teachers, daycare workers, camp counsellors, etc. This is why homosexuality is a proper sexual orientation, because we see equal amounts of gay men and gay women. Same with trans-men and trans-women.
But since pedos are almost exclusively men, I don’t think it qualifies as orientation.

I’m probably wrong, but I would like the biologists investigating this to come up with an explanation as to why only men seem to be pedos, and not women.

There has been a study that found psychopaths do actually feel empathy, but that they have an “on/off” switch that non-psychopaths don’t have. The problem is that the default position of the switch is “off” for psychopaths and “on” for the rest of us, and we don’t have the ability to turn off our empathy the way psychopaths do. And when they turn it “on”, it’s not like they’re acting or only pretending to feel sympathy, they actually do feel it, but only when prompted to.

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The topic of free will deserves it’s own thread.

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Well, the studies did say that a likely culprit of the problem is events that happen in the womb. There are lots of things that can only happen to one gender in there, for instance about 2% of women were actually supposed to be men, but they didn’t get the chemical message to be male early enough. This is why there are slightly more female births than male.

Also I want to point out one fatal flaw in much of white’s data: It’s all comparing convicted pedophiles to normal people. Convicted, meaning criminals. It doesn’t matter if they’re pedophiles, if you take any crowd of criminals then you’ll notice huge statistical differences in their intelligence and the like from the normal population.

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Problems ensue when the whole issue of defining what constitutes a child, gets tossed into the works.

Examples given:

In a LARGE portion of Europe, 14 is the age of consent.

In Hawaii, a U.S. state… same thing.

Whereas in the rest of the U.S. it is a random spattering of 18, 17, and 16.

Japan is 15, I think.

Where does the line get drawn?

Who gets to say?

And why?

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Nah, pedophilia is pretty specific. It’s people who are sexually attracted to children who have not sexually matured at all themselves. If the child has reached puberty then it’s not pedophilia, pedophiles are not attracted to developed hips or muscles. For good measure psychiatrists might make the age as high as 13, but that’s only because there are rare instances of children who still look like prepubescent children.

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It’s unfortunate that loli porn is, in many a country’s legal system, indistinguishable from actual porn. You know, the thing where an actual child is getting abused.

If we as a people grew the fuck up, we’d realize that pencil and ink isn’t real, allow it to satiate the desires of people who would totally be productive, non-monstrous people provided said satiation happens, and generally enjoy less child abuse.

But hey, it’s not like it’s 2013 and we should have progressed as a species and society or anything.

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dude you crazy. you always hear about frmale predators fyckung young kids. its just that society belives that only a man can be a pedophile. and you have been brainwashed into believing what you typed. oyherwise you wouldnt have typed it. which is why I said what I said to white shadow.

our “ethics” only apply to men, and are currently very flawed. as refined as they may be, the clout that is morality still rots our definitions of what we consider to be ethics.

Ask anybody what we should do to pedophiles. most people would say life, castration, or public humilation followed by death.

ask them if they are willing to do that to a woman who got caught screwing a 14 year old. and the clear majority would either laugh at you and call you a pussy, cry about where was this bitch when they where growing up, or the more “educated” would simply scoff and look at you funny.

there are just as many female deviants,( I believe even more than men), as there are men. society just so happens to force the notion that women cannot be pedophiles that we all end up believing that shit at one point of our lives. the media doesn’t help.

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^^Put down the joint.

We are not talking about female school teachers having sex with teen boys, there’s plenty of those.

I am talking about boys, 5 or 10 years old, being molested by women (that’s what pre-pubescent means). Give me links to even one report or story of something like this. And then pass me a hit of whatever it is that you’re smoking.

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When I was a kid, there was an old lady that was abducting and molesting kids in a neighborhood right next to where I lived at. I was told at the time to stay away at a certain part of the woods as it was the area a few kids got taken.

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I don’t believe I’ve ever heard anyone say a sexual orientation was directly related to the man/woman ratio. Is it possible that you are just uneasy with pedophilia being called a sexual orientation because that makes it legitimate in our society?

Homosexuality was considered to be a mental disorder at one point. And if we are going to call homosexuality an orientation based upon a certain criteria, then we must do the same with other cases. Pedophilia meets that criteria, and is being accepted as an orientation. Also, transsexual/transgender is not an orientation, it’s a gender identity, and the sexuality of transgender people can vary.

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What do you mean by “makes it legitimate”? Chemical castration was mentioned earlier, is this ethical against someone we see as legitimate?

Also even if it is legitimate, it’s probably better for the pedophiles to remain underground. If one’s boss finds out that one is a pedophile, legitimacy means shit.

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I am not at all troubled with pedophilia being labelled as a sexual orientation, I am pleased to know that it has a biological cause and is not just a case of people taking advantage of children. However I don’t think that means pedophilia will ever be legitimate or moral.

I am curious as to why there is an apparent one-sidedness to this, in terms of sex. Aren’t you even a little bit curious as to why only males seem to display this “orientation”? It would be like discovering a new animal species where only the males display homosexual behaviour and not the females, or only the females exhibit bi-sexuality and not the males.

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ANd I qoute

you said children. prepubescent children are children, children that are going through puberty are children. A teenager is a child, you don’t get to pick and choose your definitions. Biologically any prepubescent individual is a child, but mentally they may still be a child.

It’s the state of mind that seems to be what law makers and SRK philosophers care about when discussing these laws/issues. A child of 15 is no diffrent from a child of 10. And to say otherwise and then throw out numbers which are arbitrary when the discussion cares more about the state of mind

This bolded part sets the setting and reinforces the general views people have regarding pedophiles. It’s why some people here in the states want the age of consent to be 18. At 16 they may be of body, but mentally they are still 10 year old children.

If females abuse their power and take advantage of “teens”, you bet there are going to be offenders at the lower level. To say it only happens at one level is ridicioulus. That’s like saying child molestation only happens at the lower levels of the Catholic church.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0190740904000349

what was thought tto be rare, turns out it isn’t so rare. So what is a girl going to do when her mom/stepmom touches her. Especially if the mother is divorced, or remarried. These issues aren’t going to show up in the data and or news until much much later after the issue has been exposed and picked up by the mainstream. So to say what you say shows that you lack the insight and or resources. A simple Google search changes everything bro, it’s not some magical weed that makes me say this shit.

And you can have the joint BTW, I don’t even like that crap.

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^^Very interesting, thank you for the link.

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I am a bit curious, but I’ve never looked into it. The same thing can be said about serial killers though, they tend to be men in most cases.

Men and women are different in more ways than just sex organs and hormones. One example that comes to mind, is a recent sleep study which determined women need an extra 30 minutes of sleep to be fully rested. And then there’s that whole multitasking thing, which I always assumed was a myth, but it was recently found to be true.

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hmm, you sure?

females are more likely to kill all their kids than men…the thing to remember is that the crimes commited by a population is a direct reflection of the cultural and economic conditions.

It’s like saying most drug and robbery crimes are committed by blacks. Of course, they live in an environment that promotes that behavior, but when you look at other ethinicities that live in the same conditions you see it happening in theirs just as much, even whites. It’s just that blacks have been doing it longer because society engineered itself to put them in that position first…So those crimes are now associated with them, even if they may not be the biggest perpetrators of those crimes.

So if you consider this, then you can make sense as to why people associate pedophelia with men only. And that’s because traditionally men where in the position to commit those crimes at a higher rate, in an enviorment which facilated the act of being caught. VS women, where stuck at home, so nobody to run to, nobody to catch them, and they just recently got into positions of power to commit these crimes and are now being exposed for what they are. But because men had been the majority of the headlines because they where there first, it’s now associated as aman thing…

Human behavior is a dumb thing…it really is.

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So they know it is wrong but they are driven to do it. I believe in court that is grounds for insanity.

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I’m going to say that if an individual is truly suffering from a medical condition that is based on sound medical research, than by all means as a society we should do everything to help within our means. However, in doing so we must also be aware that such characterizations do not come with a free pass.

It’s one thing when your compulsions primarily affect you; but when they affect our most vulnerable members of society that’s soemthing else. You can present all the medical journal articles to me you want, but at the end of the day I can not feel any empathy at all for those who exploit children(especially those who spread/create it on the internet for profit).

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This would not be pedophilia, but instead hebephilia.

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When I was in high school, age of consent was 14. So even when I was 18, 14 was still legal. Then suddenly they changed it to 16, with added provisions that it had to be 18 if there is a trust relationship (no banging your 17 year old babysitter, for instance). Also, they can avoid the age altogether for reasons determined by police and courts (so if you’re 40 and trying to smash a 17 year old, you may or may not go to jail for it depending on how angry society gets).

So poor old me, left remembering when you could fuck a chick who was in grade 10 or 11, and them bitches are dressing like complete sluts and whores.

Personally, I do agree with the 16 age limit. Under 16 and you’re too stupid and easily exploited. When you can start driving, you got damn know well enough about who to let in your pussy.