The Spider's Lair - Juri

[DevilJin_01]

What the hell is going on here? You guys try to compete with the Gief thread sometimes.

At least there was some actual gameplay discussion earlier.

[ZioSerpe]

yeah let’s get back to gameplay, help me suck less

[Skort]

Spoiler

100 lol,got to be f-ing kidding me man. For that price you are better of saving bit more and get her figurine / statue.

As an artist who does commission work, 100 per character in color can potentially be a full day’s work, and is a completely reasonable price for an artist trying to make a living off his art.

If that is too much for you, then the world of custom art is probably not for you. But to call that price unreasonable would be akin to saying this guy deserves less than minimum wage for his time spent on his work.

Given art is subjective, you might still think that, just saying, try to take into account the effort that went into it on the artist end before you guffaw at a pretty normal price.

Or maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth, just saying. Comparing this to a dude like for example Brutalace who does 3D mods for the game itself for only 10 euro ( then hands them out free 2 weeks later,and more then likely it does take longer to create ),yes i do consider 100 to be overpriced.

But i won’t continue this topic.
Please note that i have no issues against that guy and others who charge the same or against people who pay for their services,but when i see something overpriced , i call it out.

Have a nice day.

Man, then you can just go fuck yourself. You aren’t calling out shit. If a work takes a full day to do something, and they do it to live, charging a living wage is not overpriced.

I wasn’t trying to put words into your mouth, I actually thought I was being polite just saying, hey think about this from the artist perspective. I never said that you said anything.

I was describing how long a full color illustration can take against payrate and why that isn’t overpriced. But you’ve done a good job of letting some worse shit spew out of your mouth without me even trying.

Once again, if you think his work is overpriced, that is your business, but to act so smug and think you are “calling it out” then you are just a dick good sir.

If you are talking about BrutalAce having a $10 tier on his patreon. That is not comparable. I do not see anything on his other sites about taking commissions for $10. His $10 patreon tier is for requests, or higher priority on requests for mods by his patrons. He is collectively getting paid nearly 1k per month via patreon, so he can potentially doll out rewards like this without going under on his expenses. It also says nothing about what requests actually guarantee. Compare that to, a fully realized custom piece of 2D art, made for a commissioner. These are two very separate things.

Near as I can tell $10 bucks for brutalace gets you color swaps, or potentially other swaps like hairstyles and feet. These might not actually even take him much time to include because he can mix and match assets that he has already made, or he is simply editing an asset.

So, as a fellow artist, all I can say is a hearty fuck you. If you don’t like something, don’t buy it, but don’t presume because you don’t like it that others do not, and that the artist making it does not deserve to be paid a decent days wage for his time. If you find some other artists that you think is better who works for cheaper, then go pay them. But I can almost guarantee they are doing work at a deficit to themselves if they are doing custom work for less than $50-100 range.

I said i won’t be continuing this topic but whatever.

In regard to what i said earlier, i have stated my personal opinion regarding the price that person charges without insulting anyone or encouraging others that use his services to back off. It just happens that i personally consider 100 to be overpriced,and no wall of text you type can change that.
I also said i have no issues with them continuing their work the way they do ( and even if i did,i could not change anything ).

Now, before you go into you’re “caveman” mode yet again,please try and have a conversation with a person that it so happens to have a different opinion then you without insulting him in every sentence you type. Opinions are different and what i and you and others consider it overpriced may differ,as you can clearly see.

[JusticeSoulTuna]

Wow what the hell happened while I was gone. Yeesh. And for the record, I think $100 as an upfront cost will put anyone off, but I do also agree that it’s a reasonable price for an artist trying to make money off their work. Dedicated fans looking for unique commissions would be willing to give that much, and if I had the money to spare I’d consider paying that much for a Juri pic, since I like the character that much. However, it’s also the rather staggering nature of commission price like that which led to the rise (and benefit) of stuff like Patreon. So instead of artists trying to survive purely off of the occasional but rare commission, they get a stable income from a much larger crowd source. I know this cause I’ve supported artists who started on places like DeviantArt and Pixiv and struggled to get by with just commissions, because requests were rare and the prices put people off, but they later found success with Patreon and now put out consistent content. This is all just prose anyway, I just wanted to share my two cents. And I don’t wanna control anyone nor tell anyone what to do, but i do hope we can resolve our differences. Truthfully, i’ve bounced around from the reddit Juri threads to the Juri discords (yes there are multiple) and now here, and I’d hate to have to leave here too cause of drama.

[Skort]

Wow what the hell happened while I was gone. Yeesh. And for the record, I think $100 as an upfront cost will put anyone off, but I do also agree that it’s a reasonable price for an artist trying to make money off their work. Dedicated fans looking for unique commissions would be willing to give that much, and if I had the money to spare I’d consider paying that much for a Juri pic, since I like the character that much. However, it’s also the rather staggering nature of commission price like that which led to the rise (and benefit) of stuff like Patreon. So instead of artists trying to survive purely off of the occasional but rare commission, they get a stable income from a much larger crowd source. I know this cause I’ve supported artists who started on places like DeviantArt and Pixiv and struggled to get by with just commissions, because requests were rare and the prices put people off, but they later found success with Patreon and now put out consistent content. This is all just prose anyway, I just wanted to share my two cents. And I don’t wanna control anyone nor tell anyone what to do, but i do hope we can resolve our differences. Truthfully, i’ve bounced around from the reddit Juri threads to the Juri discords (yes there are multiple) and now here, and I’d hate to have to leave here too cause of drama.

No drama, just different opinions and people who can’t accept it.I respect his opinion but that does not mean i should agree with it as well.

But yea, i said what i wanted to and now i will drop it.

[Maryokutai]

You’re all missing the point: [details=Spoiler]Hard nipples cost 10 bucks extra.[/details]

I don’t think the prices are too much, but I’d rather pay for a print of someone’s work than for a commission.

Also forgot why I came here.

[JusticeSoulTuna]

Hah, well regardless. Take it from me; life is too fuckin serious to be getting into drama about stuff like this. I mean, we’re already dealing with the stress of liking a character like Juri in a game like SFV, so yknow. Haha

[AriesWarlock]

I am still adding these buff suggestions to the list, fyi And July fast approaches, and since I feel like I’ve had enough suggestions, the video will likely be coming very soon. Look forward to it

It doesn’t have to be serious, but can you put at the end a request to buff Juri’s theme? :rock_on: Ryu’s and Guile’s certainly got buffed. Her SF4 theme being so upbeat and fast, I dunno what they were smoking when they thought the majority of Juri fans would like a very slow tempo theme. If anything, something like that would fit Nash due to his broody personality.

What the hell is going on here? You guys try to compete with the Gief thread sometimes.

At least there was some actual gameplay discussion earlier.

I bet the conversations over there are livelier since Zangief is consider top tier though!

[brainpipe]

Spoiler

100 lol,got to be f-ing kidding me man. For that price you are better of saving bit more and get her figurine / statue.

As an artist who does commission work, 100 per character in color can potentially be a full day’s work, and is a completely reasonable price for an artist trying to make a living off his art.

If that is too much for you, then the world of custom art is probably not for you. But to call that price unreasonable would be akin to saying this guy deserves less than minimum wage for his time spent on his work.

Given art is subjective, you might still think that, just saying, try to take into account the effort that went into it on the artist end before you guffaw at a pretty normal price.

Or maybe you should stop putting words in my mouth, just saying. Comparing this to a dude like for example Brutalace who does 3D mods for the game itself for only 10 euro ( then hands them out free 2 weeks later,and more then likely it does take longer to create ),yes i do consider 100 to be overpriced.

But i won’t continue this topic.
Please note that i have no issues against that guy and others who charge the same or against people who pay for their services,but when i see something overpriced , i call it out.

Have a nice day.

Man, then you can just go fuck yourself. You aren’t calling out shit. If a work takes a full day to do something, and they do it to live, charging a living wage is not overpriced.

I wasn’t trying to put words into your mouth, I actually thought I was being polite just saying, hey think about this from the artist perspective. I never said that you said anything.

I was describing how long a full color illustration can take against payrate and why that isn’t overpriced. But you’ve done a good job of letting some worse shit spew out of your mouth without me even trying.

Once again, if you think his work is overpriced, that is your business, but to act so smug and think you are “calling it out” then you are just a dick good sir.

If you are talking about BrutalAce having a $10 tier on his patreon. That is not comparable. I do not see anything on his other sites about taking commissions for $10. His $10 patreon tier is for requests, or higher priority on requests for mods by his patrons. He is collectively getting paid nearly 1k per month via patreon, so he can potentially doll out rewards like this without going under on his expenses. It also says nothing about what requests actually guarantee. Compare that to, a fully realized custom piece of 2D art, made for a commissioner. These are two very separate things.

Near as I can tell $10 bucks for brutalace gets you color swaps, or potentially other swaps like hairstyles and feet. These might not actually even take him much time to include because he can mix and match assets that he has already made, or he is simply editing an asset.

So, as a fellow artist, all I can say is a hearty fuck you. If you don’t like something, don’t buy it, but don’t presume because you don’t like it that others do not, and that the artist making it does not deserve to be paid a decent days wage for his time. If you find some other artists that you think is better who works for cheaper, then go pay them. But I can almost guarantee they are doing work at a deficit to themselves if they are doing custom work for less than $50-100 range.

I said i won’t be continuing this topic but whatever.

In regard to what i said earlier, i have stated my personal opinion regarding the price that person charges without insulting anyone or encouraging others that use his services to back off. It just happens that i personally consider 100 to be overpriced,and no wall of text you type can change that.
I also said i have no issues with them continuing their work the way they do ( and even if i did,i could not change anything ).

Now, before you go into you’re “caveman” mode yet again,please try and have a conversation with a person that it so happens to have a different opinion then you without insulting him in every sentence you type. Opinions are different and what i and you and others consider it overpriced may differ,as you can clearly see.

I’m just pointing out some facts. Not opinions. You flat out said that I was putting words in your mouth, which if you read my comment, was not the case. You compared a guy with $10 patreon tiers to custom illustration commissions. There’s no opinion in this. So I definitely took some offense to you putting words in my mouth… that I was putting words in your mouth, and then see you act like you are being the civil, open minded one. A bit of the pot calling the kettle black.

On a more civil side:

Once again, art is only worth what you are willing to pay. You aren’t willing to pay that much, and that is fine but its a reasonable price in the world of commission art. That artist in particular has a wide range of quality, some of it would likely cost a lot more than 100 per piece, and he seems good enough to get professional illustration work outside of commissions. For artists who actually get a decent amount of work, time is money, and quality is important. It is a fine balance. How much can be done in a day. how much can be done without quality slipping, how much do I need to charge for when times are slim on money and on work. all of these things need to factor in. So whether you like this art is literally irrelevant for the cost of the image. The cost is dictated by what someone is willing to pay, and what the artist considers his time to be worth.

On a different note:

this is a Juri forum, so I’ll let it go back to being one, and not be a lecture on ethics in the patronage of the arts.

[DevilJin_01]

Please, just change the subject.

[Frost]

First time I’ve seen DJ want to move on

[johnyr3d]

I wish Juri’s fireball was 0 oB nothing more, then I could space it to +4 oB and make people fear that shit.

At this point I can make it +2 pretty consistently, a few more frames and she could really force everyone to respect it.

[MarLonLonMilk]

I saw a bunch of messages and got excited thinking we were having meaningful discussions. That was foolish on my part.

I’ll go back to being ghost. Sorry lol.

[ZioSerpe]

Help me address some of the mistakes in my game I can see and see if you can tell me how to train to stop doing this dumb shit.
First that comes to mind, I don’t apply pressure and I don’t know how to get in up close to start using frame traps. Or better said
I played Laura when I started SFV I had no problem getting into the opponents face, I was using command dash, I was protecting myself with fireball to close the gap, I was using lp.elbow to get up close and working from there. It made sense, it was natural.
On Juri I tend to run instead. When I get a knockdown or some momentum I tend to let it go to to store some shit, I can feel that is a dumb mistake, but I keep doing it, how can I train?
Another common mistake or lack of knowledge or whatever we can call it, dumb play regardless, is how to get when it should be my turn: say Cammy gets in with divekick does her frametrap, gets it all blocked, now I am at a range where I cannot start any combos or frametrap, MK 2nd hit is in range now (so is roundhouse but yeah…) What should I do?
Cammy is just an example, it could be Dictator, Rashid , Necalli or whatever.

I mean this is a topic you could discuss wink wink to get away from the flaming war over hard nipples pictures

[johnyr3d]

Help me address some of the mistakes in my game I can see and see if you can tell me how to train to stop doing this dumb shit.
First that comes to mind, I don’t apply pressure and I don’t know how to get in up close to start using frame traps. Or better said
I played Laura when I started SFV I had no problem getting into the opponents face, I was using command dash, I was protecting myself with fireball to close the gap, I was using lp.elbow to get up close and working from there. It made sense, it was natural.
On Juri I tend to run instead. When I get a knockdown or some momentum I tend to let it go to to store some shit, I can feel that is a dumb mistake, but I keep doing it, how can I train?
Another common mistake or lack of knowledge or whatever we can call it, dumb play regardless, is how to get when it should be my turn: say Cammy gets in with divekick does her frametrap, gets it all blocked, now I am at a range where I cannot start any combos or frametrap, MK 2nd hit is in range now (so is roundhouse but yeah…) What should I do?
Cammy is just an example, it could be Dictator, Rashid , Necalli or whatever.

I mean this is a topic you could discuss wink wink to get away from the flaming war over hard nipples pictures

I think the first thing to work on with Juri is being able to store on the go and get away from the mentality of having to run away at the beginning of a match. Juri is really fair, you force the opponent to react and you punish what he does.

If they stay full screen and don’t have a move that will reach, store LK to begin playing like Juri. Fireball in neutral or at the end of the string and store it again, if they jump you still have time to DP, if they keep guarding, charge v Skill, LK store and V skill are your primary sources of conditioning. Now they can’t use fireballs freely. Now when you throw fireball at the end of your string and walk behind it, if they neutral jump you can either dp or v skill punish for free. Walking behind mpxxmk/cmk xx fireball is + on block I believe?? which leads to walk up cLP-mpxxLk store or cLp-Throw. Juri has really good, abuse it. Her v trigger isn’t crazy so feel free to v-reversal when the pressure gets ya. Just don’t v reversal lights or at the end of their strings. I’m not that great with Juri but she is very enjoyable.

[Lion_Jak]

Finally can be at peace with getting to diamond only with juri.

[stronzolo]

Could you guys look at some of my recent Juri games? I know that i should focus on the fundamentals but i’d really like to read the opinions of veteran players about how i play.
My nick on the CFN is “stronzolo”

[Skort]

Quick question, do you guys think it would be overpowerd if she could cancel her vskill charge by double tapping up to perform a jump or down and remain on the same spot ?

[Fatal_Error_XI]

Could you guys look at some of my recent Juri games? I know that i should focus on the fundamentals but i’d really like to read the opinions of veteran players about how i play.
My nick on the CFN is “stronzolo”

I’m only a Gold rank Juri, but I can see a lot of areas where you need to improve. You seem to flip between Ultra Bronze and Silver. Players who hover around there tend to lack a lot of basic stuff. This is going to seem really negative, but there’s just a lot of basic things you need to work on.

First, your movement. You walk backwards way too far and way too much. You walk back on people who are already 3/4 screen away, and you don’t even store when you do. The only forward movement you make is by jumping or dashing. You are rarely in range for your normals, which makes you whiff a lot. You rarely walk forward at all. People are just taking space from you. The whole idea is to compete for that space.

Second, your anti-airs. You either don’t AA jumps or try to AA with the wrong things. I saw a couple games where you were trying to AA Akuma with cr.HP. That’s not a reliable AA. I also saw Akuma cancel his blockstrings into demon flip, but you just ate them over and over. In that situation you can mp DP, air throw, or air target combo(j.mp < j.HK).

Third, your offense. Again, you don’t position yourself where you can do anything with your normals. You whiff from far away. When you did get a hit, you had no combos. It was either jabs into nothing, or 2 in 1’s on hit or block. You had no punishes. You let blocked sweeps, DPs, and point blank rush punches go unpunished. You seemed to not know what to do when you got a knock down. You either backed off, or got hit with wake up buttons.

Fourth, your defense. You need to block on wake up. I saw a lot of counter hits on your wake up. At your rank, blocking goes a long way.

I saw this scenario a lot: You walk back, then whiff cr.mk into cr.hk. While you whiff, they jump. They do a block string, you whiff a poke after the block string while they jump again. You start taking hits here and there. Out comes a wakeup EX DP, and you get crush countered. If you anti-air them, then they have to fight on the ground, and that’s where your pokes come in.

You need to practice the basics. Learn your anti-airs. Learn the range of your normals. Learn your basic combos. Learn your punishes. You said it yourself: “I should focus on the fundementals”. None of this is unique to Juri.

[Skort]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7dB9LpV7lE

For fans of the costume,it’s happening !
I personally used this one the most in SF4 days. I’m glad to see it return in one way or another.