Thanks for the tip, that dude has one mean Talim…
I will inevitably main Hilde. However, Taki is a very comfortable character for me, purely from a beginner’s standpoint. I also like her story-wise, which is the same motivation behind my motivation to learn the ins and outs of Talim.
Taki is fluid and smooth. I adore her playstyle, but I’m sure that it won’t last when I take my scrubbitude online.
EDIT: Can I get an up-to-date tier list, or at least a rough draft of one?
That has to be the most descriptive statement ever. So tell me, why would you put her low?
Taki’s awesome. Got some convincing wins with her on and offline.
Because he probably sucks with her.
Lol. I jus qualified for Nationals. Yeah, im pretty bad. Haha.
Her strongest incarnation was definitely in 3. But alot of people loved her in 2 because of EXC and cancels. It was hard NOT to do well with her 3 because her punishers, damage output were just amazing.
Now its different, cause even though everyone got toned down, she was one of the characters that got hit pretty hard. Lets look at PO first, since this has always been awesome.
PO A got boosted. Remains High.
PO B goes back to being neg on block, but forces crouch and does good soul gauge damage. Problem here? Extremely linear. Doesnt even track at advantage, in SC3 it would track to her right on adv. Now its walkable both ways.
PO K is now a new move. High, shakeable stun on hit, adv on block. Seems to track to her right. Its useful yea, but the fact that you have two highs out of PO, and a very steppable mid gives her ALOT of bad match-ups vs. characters who have great FC/WS punishers (Sisters, Setsuka, Kilik etc.)
1BA is an awesome new tool. Only problem is, it doesnt jail on block. So with enough training you can react to the move and punish her hard for the whiff. Same goes for AB PO/ ABK/ AB~Mekki. All Cassandra has to do to deal with most of what Taki can do is 2B+k. Which is safe btw (2B+K is a fast, TC, mid that stuns on CH and gives adv. on hit)
3KK into wind roll mix-ups. Awesome. Problem? No good high move to compensate. She has grabs, and great mids from it (clearly only the B’s) but, if she would have kept the old WR A (Mekki), she would have been fine. Or just a fast good high in general. WR K, is complete garbage, and WR A is too slow of a hori. 3KK is also unsafe and 3KKK is beyond unsafe. 3KK is also steppable.
66A, 66B (no pushback anymore), and 66K are unsafe as well. the only great mids she has 33B (which is also unsafe. But not as unsafe as the other options) and 6B (Prolly her best move. Steppable to one side at adv.)
All three bombs got nerfed. She has NO oki, thanx to Poison darts being nerfed. And the only two moves that really do damage are WR BBB/BKB, big bomb (which leads into the WR combos), and maybe some double bomb combos that can lead into maybe 70-80.
Risk/Reward is definitely not in her favor at all. Other characters like Kilik, jus eat her for free. Asura dance for example jus goes right through Hover “mix-ups” and Wind Roll “mix-ups” and While Rising B stuffs her AB game.
It takes way too long to win with Taki, cause all her pokes (which is practically all she has now) do low damage, anything big is jus unsafe. Her punishers are pretty good tho. But when you start comparing her to other characters, then she gets worse and worse.
Hope that helped.
Rough Tier List
S - Hilde, Kilik, Voldo
A - Amy, Cass, Yoshi, Sets, (Sieg/Nighty are debateable here)
B - Everyone Else
C - Zas, Yun, Talim, Maxi
D - Rock, Yoda, Vader, Tira, Mina
I can’t get the hang of Hilde’s charge moves. That shit is just too weird. I want to learn her, but when I finally went into training mode with her, she was way too complicated for me.
lol. Wrong.
this.
Yeah Dreamkiller summed up why Taki isn’t very good. She has some cool stuff but she’s mid tier or so.
So yeah. Kilik. Fucking Kilik.
I swear, the banning of characters or even talk of banning characters drives me up the wall. It truly is
the stupidest, scrubbiest shit ever. Yes there are obvious boss characters that could be
considered but damn, that other shit talk like about Hilde is ridiculous.
…and I thought 8WayRun was better than that. OOPS! My bad!
:nono:
~K.
Cervantes player here, went to cali Regionals(first tourney ever lol), played some good players and enjoyed it. I never realized how much a beast Hilde can be(a bit broken maybe?)
IT! IS! GOOD!
FUCK YES!!! :rock:
With the Nationals series under way, I figured I’d keep track of all the qualifiers!
For those not in the know, SC4 Nationals is a tournament somewhat like SBO, with a series of regional qualifiers leading to a final bracket. Currently there are 15 regionals in place - 12 throughout the US, plus 1 each in Canada/Mexico/Puerto Rico. There may be a 16th, as the Nationals directors are currently deciding whether or not to give the Dominican Republic a spot.
The regionals have a $20 entrance fee, and the top 4 finishers from each regional qualify for Nationals, with players being seeded according to their placing. If one of the qualifiers cannot make it to Nationals, he will give up his spot to the next highest placer who can go.
Algol, Yoda, and the bonus characters are banned. The community has recently decided to reverse all of these bans, but the rest of the Nationals series will keep these rules since it would be unfair to change them in the middle of it.
Thus far 2 of the regionals have been completed, with the qualifiers as follows:
Canada:
- OOFMATIC (Talim, Lizardman, Hilde, Apprentice)
- Neorussell (Yoshimitsu)
- DINO (Voldo)
- Money Muffins aka Vints (Sophitia)
NOTE: In the actual tournament, Silent (Nightmare) placed 3rd, DINO 4th, and Vints 5th. Silent can’t make it to Nationals, so Vints got his spot.
New Jersey:
- KidDZaster (Hilde, Cassandra)
- Rekki (Mitsurugi)
- Dreamkiller (Taki)
- MTFighter (Sophitia)
Here is the schedule for the remainder of regionals:
February 7 - Norcal, Wisconsin
February 15 - Socal
February 21 - Massachusetts
February 28 - Mexico
March 14 - Oklahoma
March 21 - Colorado
April 4 - Atlanta
April 11 - Houston
May 3 - Puerto Rico
May 16 - Chicago
May 30 - Dallas
Possible, yet to be determined - Dominican Republic
Just to let you all know, DINO is a toronto tournament organizer and that thread is meant just for his regions rules. Right now only a few regions have everything unbanned, the list being…
North California
Michigan
New Jersey
Toronto
Edmonton
There might be more but that’s what it is looking at as of now. Hopefully more people continue to unban these things, however it is too late for the regionals / nationals so no Yoda or Algol will be seen. It would be very unfair to change the rules while this stuff is still going on is my guess.
It would be some tight work if old SC 2-3 costumes were made available as dlc. I miss Kilik’s ragged cape from 2.
I can tentatively say that New England is now unbanning Algol as well, still needs to be worked out.
People need to man the fuck up and stop banning shit before there’s been a chance to see just how a character breaks the game.
Hopefully Nats will prove that.