Should we include info about setups for other characters here, or maybe use another topic for that?
Their set ups on us or our set ups on them? Regardless the forum is becoming cluttered , I was thinking of making a master thread with everything that we have contributed and maybe closing off the comments section on it ( not sure if we can do that)
Their setups, as in - learn how to defend against them :).
Yeah nothing yet. I wouldnāt mind figuring out ibukis bomb set ups.
Soā¦ Cammy ayeā¦
Shes very fast, very damaging, very long special cancellable pokes, has a million ways to get in and can make comebacks very easily.
Anyone have any general tips to make my life easier against her?
Used to think Cammy was easy, but it seems like i never actually fought a strong Cammy till recently, when she can do instant divekicks itās really hard to deal with.
I canāt imagine the suffering it will be when they learn to DP on reaction hadukens like Xiao Hai does.
My friend does it to me consistently it just makes me feel useless because Ryus pokes are so stubby so you canāt whiff punish with normals so you need to use hadou to stop them from advancing because fuck me right? So easy for Cammy!
Then she uppercuts you straight through the fireball that youāre shooting at the proper range and its just such a heartbreakerā¦
Please guys if you help me Iāll try give tips?
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her ex divekick whiffs on crouchers
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v trigger shouldnt be used unless used you are gonna react to a divekick
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jb.lk tech for days guys sheāll maul you with pressure its too easy
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donāt shoot fireballs when she has v triggerā¦ its just too easy to react v trigger into spiral arrow from even full screen into uppercut or CA.
Thats all I have for now
Oh and btw I met Humanbomb and Gamerbee over the weekend when they were here in Sydney and they think Chun vs Ryu is in Ryus favour lmao.
Thoughts on birdie vs ryu?
Not believing it, even at best for me. Course bombs gona say that playing Daigo and I think Bee plays Chun against Daigo too.
I think this is even maybe slightly Ryus favour. First off, Ryu is completely outclassed button wise and is probably one of his worst mid range battles and zoning battles. Up close Birdie obviously loses here, weak to throws which means weak to shimmys. Ryu gets a punish on most of birdies pressure - horns, absorb, Chain, grabs etc
The problem with Ryu matches I find is its hard to measure battles if Ryu always has Super. Tool for tool Iād think Ryu actually loses against other characters move set on paper than maybe he gets credit for, just that he has such a massive comeback potential heās never really out of the match, a two bar V trigger also helps give him the edge over those three bar characters.
Plus youāve got the fact defence is quite strong in this game even without DPs.
No way :).
Bomb used to play and live in Australia. He was the best player back then not surprisingly. Ironically he did start off using Ryu, then I think he switched to Sakura near AE.
He goes its Ryu vs Chun 5.5-4.5ā¦
No way man I cant see itā¦ I suffer massively against every Chun I ever vsedā¦ you are gonna get hit by her cr.mp one way or another fml.
I vsed Humanbomb and he analed me with Chunā¦ he goes to me after the beating ātrust me its Ryus favourā and then he vses Daigo and even he looks like he was struggling against HB.
I tried the fireball approach and again Chun has too many answersā¦
Out of every MU in SFV Iām like if I practice this or that the MU will get easier but against Chun I feel like I have to be 3 steps ahead and its hard against a character that can zone you out and then maul you with offence in 3.89 seconds.
Still need help guys I never felt this hopeless before fuck Chunā¦
You basically have to save super, thatās what makes the match even for me. Donāt waste it on EX FB.
Welp, after hitting ultra gold my record against Nash has been 0% win. I lose 100% of the time to Nash, all he does is cr mk or f hp to poke me max range, back dash fireball, back dash OP half screen kick. Canāt dash him, canāt jump him, canāt fireball, Ryu simply cannot do a single thing. Nash is what I refer to as the Mobile Dhalsim. having the 3rd best forward dash(only losing out to vtrigger juri and vtrigger necalli), unpunishable 70% screen limbs(f.HP), 50% screen limbs(cr.mk, f.hk).
Cammy has also become impossibly hard as she is free to stick out any button regardless of whether itās poking range, counter poking range, crouching or standing opponent. She is guaranteed to get a knockdown on every touch at any range. Fireball can be punished on reaction by ex dive kicks. Her b.mp is every bit as OP as Chun Liās s.LK as it has great hitbox, 4 frame start up and even 1 more active frame over Chun Liās s.LK.
Cammy has been one of my easier match-ups (although Iām Silver so take this with a grain of metalic salt), and I think the main thing is you have to punish her for trying anything āgimmicky.ā For me, this means Parry and punish any Spin Knuckles first and foremost. Then, punish any Spiral Arrows. Basically, make her play a real footsies game with you. Ryuās options are all basic so itās really hard to really ātake anything away from himā whereas Cammyās options do come with high risk or drawbacks in general, so you need to force your opponent.
I think where she gets the most mileage is when sheās either up close and is rushing you down or far away enough to do things on reaction. I honestly think the sweet spot (a very tight one unfortunately) against her is right at the tip of where she cannot react to a LP Fireball (so slightly out of sweep range to maybe a bit further out). More often than not, if you use LP Fireball up close enough, itās either a pure guess on their part (which opens up AA and at least slows them down) or if they do react, you can usually DP on reaction. This is also where a tool like sLK can at least keep her in check as an annoying option.
Nashā¦yeahā¦
Unfortunately, Ryu just has some awful match-ups. I think in theory, parry should give you a chance against any opponent, but the risk/reward and reaction barrier to using parry effectively against someone like Nash makes it that parry canāt make up for some of Nashās built in strengths against Ryu 
Cannot anti air if Cammy does ex dive kick over your fireball. It cuts Cammyās jump frames by half and she gets to go down instantly before Ryu recovers from fireball. Footsies is also where Ryu starts to lose against the whole cast as his buttons are the second stubbiest in game, only beating Laura.
I have said this before and I will say it again, Ryu loses against the entire cast and only goes even against Laura. Once everyone starts playing defensive/heavy footsies against Ryu they will see how weak this character is.
Range isnāt everything, half of the cast doesnāt have much better buttons either, Ken only has st.hk over Ryu, which is easy to whiff punish, and a free punish if they donāt space, and then you have characters like Bison, which has decent range but is free on wakeup, and Ryu is really good at taking advantage on that.
Ok Cammyā¦ I know this MUā¦ it sucks doesnt it? Very difficult to deal with. But my friend allow me to offer you advice.
- Her divekicks are difficult to deal with? Ryu has 4 ways to counter divekicksā¦ 5 if you count ex divekick.
i) As soon as Cammy says āCANNON STRIKEā you can parry and you get a free st.mp > cr hp xx hp dp punish
ii) you can dash under and trip guard it
iii) you can dash back and trip guard it
iv) dp it on reaction
v) (ex divekick only) you can crouch and every ex divekick will whiff and you can trip guard
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its very hard but you can whiff punish her st mk with sweepā¦ but ehā¦ its hard because her st.mk is so good
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Ive refrained from using VT unless its gonna get me the kill and Iāll tell you whyā¦ most of her attacks are plusā¦ her VT divekick is plus and you need to get her off youā¦ v reversal is probably more beneficial.
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good counterpoking normals are st.lkā¦ its safe, its fast and if cancelled into ex hadou ite safeā¦ it interrupts her normals
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donāt let her get away with full screen V-skill. Parry that shit and cr.hp xx hp.dp is your punish.
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when she gets VT donāt shoot even a single fireballā¦ gauranteed activation from full screen into huge damage(fair that she can do this right? -.-)
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she has a dp and a 3f normalā¦ I usually just back off and dont bother pressuring her because she has too much momentum if she hits you with either of those.
This is all I have now enjoy the tipsā¦ I feel they work for me but man its hardā¦
I didnāt know that you could avoid ex cannon strike by crouching, gonna try to do that next