Need help in the Rose match-up. Her normals are so good. Her strings give you no room to do anything except EX Messiah and then her slide allows her to continue when you think she’s out of range to do anything else. Her EX Soul Throw and EX Soul Spiral seems to give her options against whatever I do on her wake-up and that’s before she has U2. Am I missing something here? Am I supposed to go bonkers with the EX Messiah?
i personally think this match up is free for rufus
just dive kick the living shit out of her she cant do much till she gets ultra 2 i guess
that one block string she does it ends with the soul drill shit you can interrupt that shit
i dont know how to explain it but just rush her down
sorry for my bad english :sad:
you can punish the spiral with c.jab -> ex.GT
u2 in this match to punish the fireballs and chip kill, soul satellite don’t interrupt her
guys, just curious to know what your feelings are on the ken matchup is it 4-6 or 5-5 ? all the videos i see are of rufus players losing and i havent played a good ken in a while, i remmber it was 5-5 in sf4.
Just played a really good adon player. I realized that I didn’t have any safe jumps for adon so I got DP’ed out of all my setups. So I tried to find out some in training mode.
Safe Jump #1
After forward throw -> immediately whiff st.hp -> immediately jump forward with Fierce
This will beat Adon’s regular Dp’s. It will not beat Adon’s EX DP.
If adon Dp’s, it will whiff for free punish. If not, he has to block the jumping fierce. Whiffing the fierce must be done immediately after the throw animation. If you don’t, you will be prone to the reversal dp.
If you notice that you may have whiff the fierce a little late, just jump forward with an empty jump and it should be safe. You just won’t get the jumping fierce to keep adon in blockstun.
Safe Jump #2
After forward throw -> whiff s.lk -> pause then VERY slightly move forward -> immediately jump forward with Fierce
This will beat ALL of Adon’s dp (EX included)
You can also add a option select EX GT to beat the back dash. If the adon dp’s, you will only get a EX GT, not a full combo.
Both of these are the same as 3-frame dp safejump for Rufus by discovered by latino kourck I think. I don’t have the youtube video of that.
**Safe Jump #3 **
After connecting with Galactic Tornado -> Empty Jump Forward
Nothing special. Just something to know just for Adon so you can stay close to him for the pressure game. You can’t do a jumping fierce because those two non-blocking landing frames are when Adon’s dp’s will be hitting.
If Adon does not quick get-up, you can pause slightly then go for a high crossup dive kick. The Adon will have to block the dive kick as a crossup if he’s crouching. If he’s stand blocking, he blocks it as a non-crossup.
EDIT: All of this will be irrelavant for AE. lol
EDIT2: Here’s a video of safe jump #2 so you can check out the timing.
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EDIT3: More videos
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This thread needs a major update for yun/yang.
Here’s what I gathered from playing a good yun(hsien changs) on a normal basis
- Rufus has a higher dive kick and its also faster and the twins dive kicks are harder to combo into than rufus.
- Don’t jump in at all because both their srk~k. beats his jump ins and even dive kicks.
- The safe jumps work but not on their ex srk.
- During yuns bnb if you see a shoulder charge(dp~p) you can u1/2 or ex mes.
- Prefered ultra is #1 althouth u2 works on his dive kicks also against his palm but must be close since his u2 got nerfed so badly.
Hey, I’ve been having some problems vs. really strong Guy players. I seem to get hit with his FA a lot when I get a knock down and start applying my DK pressure. How do I get around this? I can try and guess with GT sometimes, and I am doing instant dive kicks but sometimes I guess I get just high enough for him to get a lvl 2 off and hit me for huge damage.
you shouldnt get hit by a FA if you divekick and just block. Rufus has no delay when he lands, so unless you’re trying to press a button, you’re fine.
Technically there is still 2 frames of landing but their focus won’t be able to hit you in that time unless your dive kick hits them at a high point.
This may seem crazy to you guys, but one of my worst matchups is Dhalsim, any advice on getting in and staying in? I often do fine until he teleports and them I’m stuck for options.
I too need some dhalsim advice - mainly just getting in I don’t have any trouble once I’m there. There is pretty much no information on this match on this forum
I remember an interview with Justin Wong when this question was asked about the Rufus / Dhalsim matchup. The key is to delay your dive kick, which can give you a counterhit by hitting sim’s outstretched limbs. So basically when trying to close the distance always use your divekick and mixup the timing of the dives. If you are predictable it is easy for Sim to anti air you with the limbs, if you mixed it up you make it extremely difficult for him to keep you out.
My advice would be to search for videos of Ricky Ortiz vs Fillipino champ on youtube and watch how Ricky does it.
This thread is very bare, can anyone provide me with help on the T.Hawk matchup?
I find Hawk worse than Gief the way he can close distance quickly and like Gief I can’t jump at him. cr. HP just seems to be blocked or give him a free jump in for big damage. The only thing I can do at the moment is try to predict his jumps and hit him with ex Snake Strike or jump HK. I am using U2 to try to punish his jump ins but I never seem to be able to keep him out to grind out the match. Help!!
Sim- The match-up is a free fight for us! DONT focus the fireballs, focus the limbs. Divekick him to shit and take some damage… Pretty much just BULLDOG your way to him and DONT let him out of the corner… U2 is amazing for corner games, cause if he teleports its a free 500 damage : ).
Next, Random ex messaihs at a certain range (where hed random poke) is good to… If he blocks it you’re right there with him… just use the sweep option more then the OH cause he can st.MP you if I’m right and cancel it into a Fireball… putting you at half screen again.
Another good thing to remember is that FAing ALOT of the time will get you closer, quicker… He will be afraid to throw out limbs constantly cause you can Crumple him and be on em…
Finally, when your on top of him and he tries to jump away just jump with him and HK em… It’ll make him think twice about jumping!!
Yoga Vs. KUNG FU… Obviously Kung fu wins this fight… Anymore questions post again or private message me so I know.
The T hawk match is really… really tough… It’s exactly like Gief except a little worse… So here are my pointers!
-When T hawk Jumps… JUMP WITH HIM! usually they are trying to Dive their way to you… So its a free HK EX SS/U1. Just DON’T get predictable with the jumps… do it rarely and just Ex SS straight up if you can.
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Use U2 IMO… I love the extra damage but a blocked Dive can be punished with CR.Firece and with U2.
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Your pokes are Cr.Firece (two main uses: 1. used for punishes, 2. Used for when he constantly dashes on the ground after he’s scared to jump), St.MP (Great at a specific range, but dont get predictable!), Cr.MK (Eh… never used it on him so… experiment!), Cr.MP (AA HIS NON CD’S! If you’re good enough with the reaction EX SS then you won’t need this that much…) ST.MK (Yes… It works. A nice poke for a small amount of damage… I like it!)
There’s just one issue with T hawk… His random ST.HK. That thing owns me sometimes and how I fix that is with focus’s! I just randomly focus, if he hits me either a. I’ll let it go to hit him or just back dash…
To sum it all up you have to bait his moves out and make HIM mess up… Sometimes we just have to sit back and relax while they come to us. Which is honestly a blessing considering WERE usually the ones going towards them!
The best OS for ANY Uppercuts is just Forward throw~ Jump Forward with J.Firece.
If they UC you’ll block it for free damage! I’ve done it on Ryu, Adon,Ken,Rog,Seth… Ect ect.
Sometimes if you do it to early you’ll land without the Firece ever hitting so… if they’re mashing throw you’ll get caught unless you throw back…
If it’s timed right you’ll hit with the J.Firece if they’re just blocking…
.Just block and rush him down… It’s whoever rushes down first… He just has the advantage! I’ll give more tips in a little… I will also be updating the thread Now since I am back… yayyyy!
i cannot do anything about yun and yang… I will update it as needed with other players inputs since… Well… I can’t play against them right now!
Thanks for the tips I tried these outline last night and did a better - but I STILL lost!
The tactic that kept getting me was that the THawk player would mix up his c.dives, so that he would often wiff the dive just in front of me and go straight into an SPD. This caught me a number of times as I was concentrating on blocking the dive and punishing. I found this mixup quite annoying kind of like Blankas ball distance trickery… IS there any way to pick which dive he is doing, should I just play as Hawk for abit in training mode and try to work it out. It was really frustrating, I just hate Hawk with a passion!
Problem with that safe jump is you are doing it with a long pause then. Thats very hard to get it consistently. I’ll be shocked if anyone can do it consistently that way actually, especially against Adon.
Also if you do it early, you won’t get thrown if you are spacing it correctly. You would never be in throw range.
Those are safe jumps, not to be confused with option selects. I wouldn’t recommend trying to option select those because they are tough to time and if you mistime it, the whole OS fails hard.