The split isn’t ST/HDR, it’s (People who bitch about stuff on the internet)/(People who actually play games in the offline community)
Yeah some people greatly prefer ST. But the vast majority of people who want to play SF2 are fine with playing HDR, especially given the fact that YOU CAN’T PLAY GOOD SUPER TURBO WITHOUT A REAL ARCADE BOARD (important fact).
At least, in my humble non-internet-based experience.
@ Sensei Rousu
I’m not sure how accurate that is, but if its true, ALEX IN SSFIV AND NEW DARKSTALKERS!!! (with a harpy!!!)
@Shin Akuma
Its people like you that make me REALLY dislike the fighting game community at times. You are an elitist and lack business sense. Special moves don’t NEED to be hard to pull off. There are only different inputs to try to reduce overlaps between moves, and to make different characters feel different and encourage specific playstyles. Making motions hard to do is like making a football player throw passes with his non-dominant arm. sure it can be done with enough practice, but why when you can make it easier? When the inputs are more lenient, it forces people to use their MOTHER FUCKING MINDS and go “how will I USE this move” as opposed to “how do I DO this move?”
from a business standpoint, this makes sense too. Capcom knew there is already a set, hardcore market for fighting games. but this group is aging and shrinking. so, from a business standpoint, capcom would want to make something that would bring in NEW fans, so they will have someone to sell their game to. Many young’uns have difficulty doing many of these movements, so Capcom lowered the bar a little bit, so someone tha is totally new can come in, get the controls down in a reasonable amount of time, and have some fun, and maybe even start getting competative. If you make fighting games REALLY hard to get into, with strict ass inputs and such, newcomers will be put off because unlike other genres, fighters require you to sit down and learn for a VERY long time before you can actually start playing competantly. By shortening the time to get JUST THE CONTROLS down, they’re already on their way to learning the real deep shit alot faster. high level Street fighter has always been about outthinking the opponent, not out inputting.
as for Ultra meter, that doesn’t change a thing. At high level play, whoever outhought the opponent will win. Ultras don’t beat players, players beat players. you can bait supers, make 'em waste it then BOOM, punish. Or If you have Ultra, you still have to sit down and think of how to use that ultra. Do I thow it out there, or will I use it to keep them from doing a specific action (like jumping with Hakan U2). Besides, Ultras usially only do more damage than supers (which is a reward for offense) when they’re full, which is usually when you’re almost dead, AKA, probably gonna lose. Super meter rewards for getting hit too, but it rewards the most for being on the offensive. Ultra meter gives the losing player something to come back with, but Super gives the winner more tools to keep winning (via EX and Super combo). they counter each other out. Both players have access to both, so there’s really nothing wrong with the Ultra system!!!
I wash my hands of this silliness.
Hell no there isnt an oversaturation of fighting games. Shit a lame ass Halo clone comes out every week, and Wii gets more shipments of shovelware than Home Depot. Good fighting games are coming out every 6 to 8 months now so its All Good.
As for the old games and the old days here’s how it is
You can
A)Step up to me and the rest of the world on this new shit we playin right here
or
B)Take all that back in the day trollin as bullshit and feed it to your old time travelin ass friend or two that’s playing that old garbage
SF2:Old
3S:Old and broken
Alpha series:Old, broken, and corny
Darkstalkers:Old, No one has heard of you
CvS2: No one plays you
Mvc2: When MvC3 drops your time is up
SF4 is here to stay. Cuz at the end of the day its all that matters.
Most retarded post ever…
I wouldn’t say that. I’m sure there’s some on GameFAQs that are far worse.
3/10
Why is Shin Akuma sooo butthurt?
he’s not! He just knows how great 3S is…you silly little bitch! ;p
It’s people like you who throw out the term “broken” when CLEARLY, shit ain’t broke. You don’t know what the term means.
Scrub.
No. Believe it or not, there is a dedicated ST community in the US. DSP / damdai / John Rambo / CigarBoB / Ganeleon, to name a few.
People who are vocal about HDR being shit, they actually play offline too.
The only reason people are playing HDR over ST is because
a) It’s new
and
b) Major tournaments chose for HDR to be the standard and replace ST
If ST was still the standard for SF2, I guarantee you that nobody would be playing HDR.
Concerning playing ST without an ST board… if this was a problem, why the fuck would Sirlin waste his time with HDR instead of investing his time into making an arcade perfect port of ST?
Plus, since HDR’s “Classic Mode” was based off of the Dreamcast version (which is regarded as the closest port to arcade ST), why aren’t people playing that? I don’t know about you but I’d rather play an almost perfect port of ST rather than that piece of shit that is HDR. Oh that’s right, even though ST is in HDR, noone plays it because people in North America jump on that new shit - ALWAYS. It’s what we do.
Do people want instant gratification nowadays or something?
Execution and Mindgames should be EQUAL. Not one being greater of the other. Hard execution moves, combos, or strategies can be seen as mindgames.
SF4 and all the other shitty new fighters do a horrible job of balancing execution and mindgames together.
If people don’t want to put in the time into getting good at SF, then they can fuck off. DO NOT make games easier because scrubs are TOO FUCKING LAZY to get better the old fashioned way - through PRACTICE.
Bunch of lazy fucks.
If new players are put off by the difficult inputs, then they can** fuck off and leave**. Those who REALLY want to learn and become good at SF will stay, REGARDLESS of how hard inputs are.
It will weed out the people who don’t REALLY want to learn and become good at the game.
Go play Naruto or some shit if you want to have fun/instant gratification. Mash away.
I already explained what’s wrong with the Ultra system… several times.
Still doesn’t change the fact he’s butthurt… I LOVE mvc2, but you don’t hear me butthurt about SF4 players.
What’s the difference between SF4 and the older games?
When SF5 comes out I can guarantee that barely anyone will go back and play 4 but will continue to go back and play 3S, Alpha, and SF2.
On what basis?
Ya’ll need to get over this shit. How can you honestly expect 10 year old and older games such as 3S and ST to last in tournaments for the rest of the time you play fighting games. The idea is to get the community to grow, not gradually dwindle, and the only way to do so is to move on to newer games.
Besides, SF4 has grown on a lot of people who now love it who originally hated it.
You can’t always make a perfect game, and SF4 certainly isn’t a bad one, it just doesn’t stack up to the classics. Eventually somebody is bound to get the FG formula right again and then we can all rejoice, but for now we have to live with a pretty good game as opposed to a great one if we want the community to flourish instead of wither away and die, which it was in the process of doing until SF4.
I agree with a lot of your points (especially the one about not catering to the lazy fucks who complain execution should be easier than it is now), but you have to think of it from the devs perspective and you also have to consider sustaining the community.
I disagree with this, SF4 will maintain a community just as 3S and ST have, it has to do with the generations that play the games, not the actual quality of the games. Every game will always have it’s fanboys, hell I know people who still play Clayfighter (NOT EVEN KIDDING).
Look at it this way people, the 3S/HDR/ST communities are all now pathetically small, HDR being the most active community of the 3 and even that is essentially a joke compared to more modern fighters (and I’m not just talking about SSF4). They will ALL eventually dwindle away into nothing, some faster than others, and you have to accept that fact and move on. Go ahead and keep playing them in your tiny communities, but there will never be worthwhile tournaments for them or anything of the like very soon, and if you intend on having any competition you need to move on with your lives and give up the hope that companies will come back and cater to your every whim.
Every SF series has a scene large or small. SF4 will be no different. You’re wrong. And I’m not just saying that in a “internet right or wrong” sense, but pointing out that your prediction doesn’t line up with history at all (and it won’t because you don’t like SF4).
I agree with part of what you said, I wouldn’t exactly call it “broken.”
But, I strongly disagree with the rest of your posts on this thread.
Pretty obvious that you’re already hostile, so I’m not trying to swat the hornet’s nest.
I wont defend SF4 or bash 3S, they are both good games, but I think you are being pretty narrow-minded. Is that narrow-minded of me?
I imagine no SF4 players are walking by your 3s cab and spitting on the buttons or anything, so why spit on our game? Nobody is asking you to play it, and no one with a brain would try to convince you that it is your game of choice is worse than mine.
I understand your technical issues with 4, and on both sides, arguing about lenient inputs is moot. It’s there, it will probably stay, but your 3s cab will luckily not have changed at all, and I could very well be wrong on this, but isn’t 3s input considered lenient compared to ST?
A few of your points:
These are all your personal opinions, pretty strong ones at that, while I disagree with, at the very least, the first one, I definitely think 2 and 3 are not your shots to call, regardless of your position in this community.
You seem alright, definitely committed to your game, but chill the hell out man. 3s is far from perfect too, you’re comparing apples to…green apples?
I’m just saying man, let them have cake, to each his own, all that good stuff.
When SF5 comes out it’s gonna have a new system everyone will love/hate. Haters will go back to 2, 3, or 4.
lol you say all this and yet you love 3S.
3S that had the most lenient inputs until SF4.
3S that was the first game to have a shortcut for shoryuken.
3S that muted fundamentals even more than any other SF even now.
3S that all but got rid of a range game for people who can’t handle fireballs.
Talk about sanctimonious cunt.
Boy, I really hope they add autocorrect, ultras, and SF2 characters to 3sOnline.
Hilarious how SRK can’t fathom the concept of people playing multiple games rather than this wacky idea of absolutes (“People playing this or that rather than this and that.”)
I enjoy all the Street Fighters as a fan of Street Fighter in general. I’m not a pompous separatist.
Beat me too it gosh darn.