all part of the plan to ensure complete genre saturation
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street fighter cross tekken just looks like SF4 DLC. exactly the same just with tekken guys and tag-outs. fuck me.
cough* IT’S ONLY A BARE BONES EXAMPLE OF THE REAL GAME, IT’S COMING OUT IN 2 YEARS!!
it’s smart they’re calling it street fghter/tekken
which gets rid of the crazy mish mash antics you’d get with namco vs capcom characters
It’s funny how people like to use the argument that just because some top players admit to only playing a certain game they hate due to there being a big scene for said game, that somehow that phenomona serves as evidence of the game’s shittiness(I see this argument most used by SFIV detractors). They neglect to remember that this is the case with alot of top players, for ALOT of different fighting games. For example, Justin Wong has admitted that he didn’t really like 3rd Strike, yet played it because there was a big scene for it. OMG 3RD STRYKE SUXXORZ JWONG SED SO TAEK THAT LOLOLOL.
The problem isn’t that the inputs got more lenient, it’s that they got lenient in all the wrong ways. 323 should not be a DP, 23236 should not be QCFx2, etc.
On to what should have gotten easier, 1f links do not make good gameplay, especially for a game with a deviation in response time between platforms. Capcom has basically denied xbox players the ability to perform at top level in the largest tournaments (for the record, I play on PS3). In fact, links in general are a thing of the past. There have been plenty of games to prove that Gatling cancels do not automatically make a game easy, and links generally don’t make a game hard - they just provide another frustration for new players to get over.
edit: Also, on-topic:
I don’t think the genre is getting oversaturated. It’s more like players aren’t used to having a decent field of games to pick from anymore. The way I see it, the games we have are unique enough to warrant playing more than one. We have the following on current-gen consoles (counting upcoming games, and discounting games that will likely die when upcoming games are released [e.g. TvC, which will be eclipsed by MvC3]):
SSFIV, for players looking for a new take on a classic experience. Also good for casual players.
KoF 13 for players who crave that same classic experience but prefer a more offensive game. Good for players that like to play multiple characters as well.
MvC 3 for players who want an offensive, team-based game.
BBCS for players who want a new-school fighting game that’s easy to pick up but deceptively deep. Great for teaching people about the genre as well.
AH3, for players who want unmatched flexibility in their characters and aren’t intimidated by choice. If 529 isn’t a large enough number to find a character you enjoy (23 characters, 23 arcana), chances are you don’t like fighting games or only play “classics”.
Well other than CVS2 which came out in 2001, there were very few new fighting games that made an impact in the FG community. Games like 3rd Strike, CVS2, MVC2 were amoung the limited palette of games played competitively (at least in larger crowds and pockets of North America) and although many games were being released annually it wasn’t until SFIV did we see a large resurgence and attraction from all types of gamers. That is why we have seen a distinctive trend and adoration from gamers old and new about what we are going to be able to anticipate in 2011/2012. Even though we had some great games like Garou, KOF2002, Tekken 5 etc. None of this games made an impact like SFIV. The community is bigger than ever and I think we should be appreciative of that fact. People were itching for a new fighter that would re-awaken the scene and that’s just what they got. However your viewpoint or opinion is on the new games we have seen new life in the fighting game genre.
The AMERICAN Fighting Game Community. Don’t get it twisted. The Japanese FG scene, China, other countries were still the same as ever save for a bit of downsizing in arcades (Sega closing down some venues, as well a few others).
Why do people act like the American fighting game community somehow represents the world? It doesn’t. If you want to be honest, the truth is the majority of American gamers seem to believe Capcom is the only company that makes fighters for some damn reason. So if Capcom doesn’t make fighters (BTW they still don’t, they mostly publishing now) than gosh darn it, I guess that means we’re in a “Fighting game recession”! Heaven forbid there actually be (gasp) other companies that make good fighting games? D:
There were plenty of FGs being released during the past few years, they just weren’t from Capcom and so people stupidly go with the remark “There were no FGs being released”. If anything, there were too many being released. And SFIV hasn’t really changed much since its release - if you look at the tournaments for other games they’re more or less the same size they were before. The only community that SFIV benefits is SFIV.
What were some GOOD fighters being released in the past few years? Cause I can’t seem to recall any before SF4 and Blazblue came along. GGAC and Tekken 5:DR/6 were the last good fighters to come out before those.
I agree with most of your post, but no one is really arguing this. Keeping the American scene is top priority anyway, if that scene dies, then the scene around you dies.
Also I don’t get why people get worked up over new players mostly playing SFIV. It’s new and exciting to us, the gateway drug if you will. I’m pretty sure not many people were learning 3S, CvS2 and KOF in the first 6 months they started FGs back in 2003.
the genre is in danger of being oversaturated. with street fighter iv.
one was bad enough. may the final version not be anything like it.
You’re like a wind up toy. Turn the key and it spews an assortment cherry picked bullshit. It’s funny.
See this I don’t get–sure, it basically looks like Street Fighter, but what is with you fucking retards who watch the vid and start crying about how it plays-when it clearly isn’t going to play exactly like SSF4.
VF5 and HDR
What’s that in your avatar?
Occult Academy
No saturation. Saturation would be like what happened in the 90s. You can go to any arcade and see a shit ton of fighting games, even obscure fighting games. Almost every company had some entry in the genre as well. You also had a console only market where you had original titles like Ballz, WeaponLord, and Clayfighter. And then you would have quick cash cows. Like if any cartoon was popular, they had to make a fucking fighting game for it. You had a shitlload of fighting games back then, where releases were not even relevant anymore. And as a result you had a lot of bad fighting games like Shaq-Fu.
On the console and arcade end, the genre was buried with quick blink of the eye titles that had almost no gaming life. They were either clones of existing franchises (like to millions of MK and SF clones) or completely gimmicky (KI and WarGods). If you had gone to a real arcade in like 1993, you would probably past by hordes of obscure crappy fighters that got no play, and were swapped out in a month by even more obscure/shitty games. That’s over saturation or you. One binge on KLOV will show you all of the horrible games that you probably never heard of which came around back then. It was a genre everyone was trying to get in on at the time. Before KOF and MK started to offer some competition to SF, you had tons of never played and commonly ignored SF clones popping up MONTHs after the release of SF.
So as someone old enough to have lived through the days of real over saturation, we don’t have anything close to it right now. A few titles coming out maybe a year apart from each other doesn’t sing the song of over saturation
I’m fairly certain he hasn’t read a word of this thread. Not that any of it is discussing the topic anyway.
nope.
LOL if you think SF4 and BB are better than HDR, GGAC, KOFXI, KOF 98UM, Tekken 5 and up, VF4:EVO, Arcana Heart…