Trying to adjust to Kiryu’s guy style… I really like his block string pressures. Applying some of them online on players who aren’t familiar with Guy can get you hurt pretty bad, so I don’t do it all the time unless it’s a high level player.
Some of my good vids:
[media=youtube]aHPHbAylqSg]YouTube - SSF IV Ranked [PS3[/media] (Vs Adon)
[media=youtube]iRK1tF5a-HQ]YouTube - SSF IV Ranked [PS3[/media] (Vs Hakan)
[media=youtube]sciX_WxRRjM]YouTube - SSF IV Ranked [PS3[/media] (vs Fei Long)
I can’t say how much watching Kiryu’s videos helped my gameplay…
Any tips are welcome, if you are on a french/german/uk region, add me on PSN to practice
here’s my new Guy option select video. I start off showing the mk.tatsu OS against bison and at 0:50 I show a more advanced OS that works well against viper. At the end I show random clips of my option selects in action let me know what you think!
I already used a few of those, but the ex tatsu one is new to me… need to learn it. I’m probably going to go in training mode tonight and try to find some new ones. With any success I’ll post them in the general chat or matchup topic (not sure which is more suiting)
Not bad but for that first match you really shouldn’t use any running options against akuma; he can focus both and punish you badly for using them.
There’s also no reason for the Akuma player to ever jump at you and risk getting hit by Bushin throw unless he’s setting up the vortex off an untechable knockdown. St.hk and cr.mk take care of any offensive needs on the ground. Try not to slide so much either, the Akuma player could have punished a ton of those with a dp or cr.lp etc etc.
Run stop pressure is also fairly useless against anyone with a 3 frame normal; guess the Akuma player didn’t know that. He’s also not using cr.mk nearly enough to beat your jumpins and tatsu. All in all, it mostly seemed like the Akuma player had no idea how to play the match.
Dunno what to say about that Balrog. For one, he never anti aired your elbow and he didn’t jab enough (pretty obvious, I know). Guy cannot compete up close against boxer, but it looked more like he was scared of you. Again, try to avoid using running attacks from too far out against boxer. He can easily pop you with an ex headbutt into ultra.
B, I don´t know if it´s the game, you, or the opponents. But that videos looks totally awesome and I feel ashamed of myself uploading my own videos, that are awfully bad compared of yours.
Some of the videos posted in this thread : AAAA+++++++++
I don’t think so SSF4 has been out for how long now ??? and if your points are getting that high and you don’t know your Guy match up a bit? your not giving the other players any credit. Give Bruna some credit he played some nice matches here.
Well, thanks for the input but I think you’re not getting the whole picture in a few areas.
When I was doing running options, it was either for chipping or going under air FBs. Also, I did use instant run overhead here and there when I thought the opponent won’t focus, but spaced well it’s worth the risk, especially when you catch them airborne.
Against Akuma you must keep your focus on many things, (like trying to react to fireballs with hozanto, run slide/ex hozanto to punish air FBs, preemptively doing c.mp/c.mk to beat his hk, etc)
Anyways, he didn’t jump much and when you must play around all his options (basically keeping focus on everything), things become really annoying. You must also know your answers against his pokes. His pokes are good in this matchup but not godlike, so it’s not that he can win by ground game only. You have a decent answer to every poke.
c.mk will go under his HK (except point blank), c.mp is a good answer too (again, except point blank) and slide works the same way as c.HK, just riskier. St.Mk will beat out his c.mk due to hitboxes. And when you’re point blank st.mp is all you need vs Akuma.
I got away once/twice with non-perfectly spaced slides (that would probably punish me with DP, it’s easier to mistime your c.lp thanks to SF4’s special buffer window), but other times it either hit or was well spaced. Anyways, it’s worth the risk against Akuma to keeping him honest about his normals.
What you’re saying is plain theory fighter, and it’s simply not true.
Run stop is good against anyone, they key factor is just using all the possible options. target combo -> run stop is 3f jab safe, but st.mp -> run stop isn’t. This is where all your options come in. Basically varying between thing like hozanto, flip, or not cancelling at all (well, there are plenty of other tricks too, like wait a bit -> focus, or simply normal jump to throw of the timing of certain AAs compared to flip).
cr.mk works well in theory to beat your jumping. But that will work only if you’re being extremely predictable. If you noticed he tried it quite a bit but didn’t work that well.
You have a lot of shit going on and if you’re mixing the timing on his jumps well it won’t become so easy for him. Basically, flip and normals jump have different timings to AA. Then you must count that j.HK beats out c.mk, but you won’t be using it that much due to slowness of the jump, but it gets the job done. Mixing all versions of flips (excluding the obvious j.d+mp baits) is also good cause of different timings. c.mk is annoying only if you don’t know how to deal with it.
Obviously, on the long run, you’re trying to avoid air just as much as he does, cause it simply isn’t good in SF4 (excluding for a few chars), Guy is probably the only char who has so much going on in the air. But you must get your shit down.
Now it really makes me questioning your knowledge. It’s true that his AA reactions weren’t on point when I tested them by jumping in the beggining, but it’s not like I was randomly jumping all the time lol. I pretty much only did inside st.MP range (again varying his jumpins) Also, there’s a certain spaceing where Rog can’t AA your jump at all with cr.HP.
Now’s the part that really makes me smile. Guy can’t compete against Rog up close? lol. Guy totally destroys Rog from up close. Jabbing? Are you kidding me. No competent Rog will mash jab, that’s some low/mid level shit at best. It’s pretty easy to school jabbers, Guy has plenty of strong frame traps that will make them actually think. And yeah, random running attacks are bad (outside run-> overhead once in a while… just don’t be predictable), hence why I don’t do it.
You’ve brought some interesting points, but you’re playing theory fighter too much, and I think you didn’t get down all of Guy’s answers.
You sure should bro, cause you sure ain’t helping the community with your matchup writeups even if you think you do. There are plenty of great Guy players who don’t visit these boards. Rather be glad I’m willing to post on this crappy boards. You probably don’t know how many people in general avoid this forum.
If nothing else, every Guy player needs to read and understand this. Outside of frame trap range, and against characters who have easy answers to deal with elbow drops, the key to applying pressure with Guy is knowing how to mix up a bunch of options that are, by themselves easily counterable.
The key to being able to react to anything is be able to expect it. Once you’re expecting something, its possible to react to stuff that’s 15 frames fast. On the other hand, it’s hard to react to something, even if its as slow as 30 frames, if you weren’t expecting it at all. That’s why it’s important to mix up Run> Stop, Flips, Houzantos and the other odd stuff in if you want Guy’s mid-range pressure to work. Once you’re able to do that, stuff that’s “easily counterable” becomes very hard to counter.
Yeah but all of us not so great guy players learn a lot from matchup writeups and since you’re too good to post any yourself why complain about someone who is actually helping people out?
Oh the sorrow… oh the agony. Oh the ability for me to not…care at all of this argument. Write ups still help any Guy player out there, and I’m sure most of the Guy players out there check the forum. Sorry if thisforum doesnt help you. no one told you to come here. It’s just another option.
damn … that first round was :wow: …I still dont get how kiryu uses Cl.HK with such consistency online…i can just never get around using that…that 30dmg just doesnt feel worth it for missing a huge punish :sad:
Well, you know, it’s always better not to post at all rather than post inaccurate info. If people really wanna lern, they should look at vids of top players. That helps the most. Info on boards should be taken with a grain of salt (well, depends on who’s posting).
Problem is there aren’t that many vids of top players around vs. a variety of characters, and we as a community don’t really have a lot of guy players to watch. Sanford was in Dallas playin guy recently but he told me he’s just shittin with him, and on top of that I haven’t seen any vids of his guy in action.
I agree with the inaccurate info though. Sometimes, you don’t check if you KNOW in your heart you are right, but I do agree with how you feel about the posting of inaccurate info. I try to hit up more knowledgeable and better Guy players as much as I can if I see them online, b/c offline I just don’t run into that many of them. Overall though, doing it (correctly) or verifying it (correctly) yourself will get you the answer you seek am I wrong?
lol @ TChamp actin like hes Kiryu. If youve got such a vast knowledge, why not share it? If youre soooo incredibly good, why not post all your vids ? oh wait, i forgot, you talk big cause youre behind a computer screen. I never claimed to know everything or to be the best, but i sure as hell dont come in here talking mess like that. If you dont need the boards, then leave them. If you dont need the boards and “despise” them, then why are you in here trying to act hard ?
sorry were not legendary like you, TChamp.
edit: regarding what Duck Strong originally said about the vids you posted: If you dont care about the boards then why waste your time posting vids ? or is it just you trying to show us what a REAL player looks like ? if you cant handle any kind of criticism, constructive or not, you shouldnt be posting your vids in the first place. man up. if you think hes wrong then why dont you follow your own advice and “take it with a grain of salt”. people like you are the reason the SRK forums have a bad reuptation. youre so confrontational, you get butt hurt easily, and you think you know more than anyone.
let me know what you think!