*The "padhacking" thread*

[Kaytrim_s_Kustoms]

I got a question.

Would the old school Digital PSX pad ie. one of these (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/85/180px-Playstation_Controller.jpg) work with a PS2/PS3 Adaptors for the PS3 and the other console adaptors? I know the PSX Digital pads work on the PS2.

Or do I have to get one of those PSOne Dualshock Analog ones like this for it to work?
http://www.nabcm.com/UploadFiles/200781915291972.jpg

or will one of these older PSX Dualshock Analog also work?
http://www.selectorweb.com/images/games_ps1.jpg

I want a PCB that will work with most of the adaptors for all 3 PlayStation consoles, and any adaptor for other consoles like the DC and XBOX/XBOX360. From my past experiences the 3rd party ones sometimes have lag issues with some adaptors, especially to PC.

Or does the PS3 look for an Analog through the adaptor? that messes up the digital pads from working with the PS3 even with the adaptor?

I have a gameshack that I go by that has quite a decent number of these 2 types of PSX analog pads, and I have extra PSX digital pads that I think are the H series which I can use to hack that I bought a few years back.

As long as they are Sony pads you should be ok except for connection to the XBOX 360. Unless there is an adapter that I am unaware of.

TTFN

[PirateFace]

As long as they are Sony pads you should be ok except for connection to the XBOX 360. Unless there is an adapter that I am unaware of.

TTFN

But would an Offical Sony Digital Pad work with an adaptor on a PS3? or will the PS3 error out asking for an Analog pad?

[Kaytrim_s_Kustoms]

There is an adapter thread around here someplace. Look through that one and you should find your answer.

edit** here it is.http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=132493

[PirateFace]

There is an adapter thread around here someplace. Look through that one and you should find your answer.

edit** here it is.http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=132493

I’ve read through it, and done a search, nothing specifically says anything about the Digital PSX pads working with the adaptors for PS3. Thus my question, and I think that the PS3 will look for an analog even if you have the adaptor, but I’m not 100% sure about it.

[loborine]

i have been reading , and i hear that the black microsoft controller (wireless) has common ground… is this true?

anyone open one here?

[Farpenoodle]

No the Pelican is not common ground. However if you connect wires from both sides of the pads to the buttons and stick switches it is hackable. You don’t even need to scrape off any black stuff. Keep in mind that the Sanwa JLF and Seimitsu LS-32-01 joysticks look for a common ground unless you modify them.

TTFN
Kaytrim

Cool. If you have any pictures of the PCB that’d be helpful. I might just go get it anyway since the stick I’m modding only needs the 360 functionality, but yeah I’m going to have to continue my search for a locally available common ground 360 pad.

[aznchristmas]

hey, i have a USB gamepad that i’m hacking, and the d-pad is a little strange

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/aznchristmas/usbdpad.jpg

i could hack it without daisy-chaining, but i planned to use a JLF

anybody know if i can use a JLF on this pcb?

[Toodles]

hey, i have a USB gamepad that i’m hacking, and the d-pad is a little strange

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/aznchristmas/usbdpad.jpg

i could hack it without daisy-chaining, but i planned to use a JLF

anybody know if i can use a JLF on this pcb?

Not without modification.

1. Remove the microswitch board, and replace with 4 regular cherry microswitches. Run two wires for each direction.
2. Take a dremel to the JLF microswitch board to cut the traces connecting everything. Run two wires for each direction directly to the now isolated microswitches.
3. Use a board to convert it to a common ground, like the one I’ve recommended on non-common ground xbox360 pads. I’ve got a batch here ready to go, $15 + $3 shipping for an assembled one. You run two wires for each direction to the board, plus the +5v and ground from the USB connection, to one side of the board. Solder the 5 pin JLF harness to the other side. Viola, you can use the JLF as if the pad had a common ground without any modification to the JLF.

[aznchristmas]

Thanks for the response, Toodles.

I don’t have the microswitches for this project right now.

Instead, I’ve hacked an XBox breakaway cable to a USB male connection for use on an SFAC pad PCB.

[System_1]

It is a lot easier to just leave them connected. If I recall correctly, I think I remember a post by Toodles explaining how to remove them, but you resolder some resisters in place.

The plastic thumb grips pull off easily though.

Could you post a link to this post? I’d like to know how this is where or what resistors to tack on, but I can’t come up with a very specific search that would lead me to this post.

[Toodles]

Could you post a link to this post? I’d like to know how this is where or what resistors to tack on, but I can’t come up with a very specific search that would lead me to this post.

Seriously, just leave the analog thingys on. No need to make things harder than they have to be. Otherwise: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=142474

[noober]

for the dreamcast controllers how do you know where the ground is. also whats the sensor for the memory card?

http://arkadesticks.com/hackedpads/Dreamcastofficialpad.jpg
and i saw this picture, but how do find a ground on a 3rd party controller.

[noober]

have you guys seen those 3rd party ps2 controllers that look identical and even have identical packaging to the official ones.

i took it apart today, but i used a hammer(i know dumb,) cause i couldnt get all the screws out, but the wires for the analog are on the main part of the pcb. so if you move the wires alitte bit if effects your movement. (just curious i probably wont even use it)

so i dunno if you desolder them, will it fix that problem. well im not even sure if the pcb fully works any ways.

[Dai]

http://arkadesticks.com/hackedpads/Dreamcastofficialpad.jpg
and i saw this picture, but how do find a ground on a 3rd party controller.

Find a trace that runs across all the buttons/directions/analog triggers, a multimeter will help.

[noober]

well would the sensors be that.

but in that picture whats that solder point on that scratch arcoss the d pad and above the sensor.

[Dai]

That’s where you solder your ground point.

[noober]

ha i was being slow,
the sensor is for l and r duh and scratch is the ground.

[deadfrog]

Is this the 360 pad everyone’s using to hack? (not this one)

… and it has the same PCB as this one, right?

[Toodles]

Is this the 360 pad everyone’s using to hack? (not this one)

… and it has the same PCB as this one, right?

If no one answered before, I doubt asking again will help. Just buy the one you want to buy, open it up, and find out. Or buy the ones that have been recommended.

[deadfrog]

the ones that have been recommended.

Toodles, much love and respect, you’re one of the nicest people and best sources of knowledge in Tech Talk… but I’m asking if this IS the recommended one! :wasted:

I"m sorry to sound like a broken record; I thought my question was just being lost under newer questions and this was the last time I was going to ask,desperate. I live in a very small town where stores carry nothing, and the only thing that costs more than shipping to here is a tank of gas for the six hour drive to a real city. I was just hoping somebody might know so I can potentially avoid ordering the wrong one.