*The "padhacking" thread*

I’ve never padhacked that pad but if I were in your shoes, I would get rid of the LT & RT pots and do Toodles’ trigger mod. The mod seems to fix almost all trigger problems I’ve encountered modding. I even built a little tester board of it that I use whenever I run across a new or strange pad.

My tester board for triggers.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e18/tidalwav/joysticks/PCBs/schematicg.jpg

Nice! I’ll have to keep this handy. Opens up the number of pcbs I can make use of :slight_smile:

I replaced the pots on the afterglow pcb with 10kohm resistors and everything seems to be working.
Just gotta wrap my head around powering the hori’s touchpanel/leds and I’m done :slight_smile:

The 360 controller I did was semi-common ground. I ended up finding 3 or 4 buttons to one ground. I just wired both current and ground for each button to the switch. Worked great, I’m the only person I know who had both ps3 and 360 wireless custom fight sticks. I disagree, I thought the 360 was SIGNIFICANTLY easier to solder than the ps3. Be creative when you make the battery pack. I just taped two batteries together and made bridge wires. Good luck.

Hello first post here

II’m complete noob on all this fight sticks shenigans :stuck_out_tongue: and padhacking for that matter.

I want to get a fight stick (my first) and I kind want to build myself one using a Tek case. My knowledge on electronics is light though. I don’t have experience on soldering but I have a friend who is really good at it.

I have 4 360 wireless controllers and I can butchered one to try doing a padhack. How hard it is? and would I be able to use it with my PC wireless receiver?

Thanks :slight_smile:

Is anyone here familiar with raw DualShock 3 padhacking? Are the shoulder buttons active low or active high? And how would I invert it so I can direct solder (if I need to invert)

Okay. Just bought the silver PS2 controller model “A” from my local used game store. I opened it, and it was this PCB –

Big mistake!

However, two-to-three weeks ago, I bought the black PS2 controller model “M” from my local flea market…

Anybody can help making a dual mod with xbone and ds4? I saw gummos pics but no tutorial.

I would not recommend the DS4 any more, there are easier pad hacks, mods and even standalone boards.

I had them padhacked already. Im asking for the tutorial how to dual mod them

If you got that far (and it works) you already got the hard parts out of the way.
Check out Dual Modding 101 for the basics.

Does anyone have a wiring guide for the PDP Wired Fight Pads for wii? I’ve been meaning to padhack one to work as a gamecube controller. (the one adapter you can buy is apparently really bad). I also need a guide to safe cuts for a GameCube controller.

NO.

Let’s see some pics, you’ll probably be able to do a non common ground hack as a worst case.

3.5 years since anyone bother posting anything to pad hack.

2 questions

one should I assume by the process of elimination that yellow circle indicates where to solder the voltage wire from your joystick? I assume by the process of elimination of stick and ground me labeled blue and red, that makes sense.

2 my guy is under the impression but you have to know the physical inside wire color in order to pad hack right. I was unable to find it anywhere on Google or Bing.

2A does going the wire color help orders wire color depend on particular vision or is wire color completely random and of no use. He’s been learning to wire by color before and recently we had a couple instances where not wiring by color was better like RJ45s being wired in left to right order, once you know it’s not a crossover cable.

2b. Is the internal wire color known on a Sega 3 button and 6 button joystick?

  1. Does knowing the pin out of various controls help you? I ask because he’s been asking me for pin number mappings on pcbs he doesn’t usually see. I know three button is pin 5, but I heard six button uses a different pin. Is pin number even relevant when pad hacking a joystick?

I told you a dozen times already, never ever rely on wire color.

Yes it does, much more than the wire color. Wire colors are arbitrary and even when the colors should indicate what the wire for, there are many times when the color has been wrong.

No, for the Genesis controller its a 9 pin connector. Look up the pinout.

You heard wrong.

YES.

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I hear you the first time, colors can’t relied on consistent enough because within the same model. Different models can have different wire colors.

I just it’s my stick maker’s training to wire by color, and it’d hard for him to kick the habit.

I may be a shop newbir buy i think i understandv the concept well enough to teach pad gacking specific knowledge for 10 yeats on SRK, i certainly hope so. I assume based on this diagram:


That those are the Key locations for soldering points. i assume these are the bsdic pad hacking directions:

1 don’t mess with the db9 of the genesis.

  1. Assuming you’re going from the player to the system, if the 37 wires are 18 digital buttons ( just enough for Switch Pro) 18 grounds ( the reason for that is to make it compatible eith Edladdin’s Colecovision Super Action PCB, once you know it’s not that specific PCB, unite them ASAP) And one voltage wire, are the 37vpins on a DB37, and they’te all discrete with no rncoding…

3… Wire each input NSEWABCStart(XYZMoode) Circled in blue the the corresponding DB37 input

4.unite the 18 grounds. On the DB37 with chsin wiring, and wire one pin to the orange signal

5 wire the voltage wire on the DB37 to the point indicated by the yellow circle.

  1. i can see why you din’t need wire colors. Is there any reason to know the pins, assuming this is an unaltered Genedis pad and my procedure is correct?

By the way, my associate doesn’t have any systen older than SNES. Short of him acquiring systems, or me temporarily mailing them, is there a method if testing the pad hack. If not is it safe enough using this method to plug into my Genesis in blind faith and I test it at home, or does he need to have a genesis and any other system we work with?

Hey @darksakul i noticed you always rebuke in a funny way. And tell me when i’m wrong, but never give me an AOK when my instincts are right.

Blue is where to solder directions and buttons red is the ground, and yellow is voltage ( but unlabeled, but i assume because of process of elimination.)

Until you tell me otherwise I’ll assume silence on an issue meand my instincts are pretty much right.

And unfortunately, a lot of people hsve a tough time finding thd right balancr betwedn seriousneds IN PRINT. Audibly, as an MP3, it’s easier to convey humor and mix it with serious comments, snd be understood well.

I have a tough time when reading it. Others people say I have a tough time writing it. Especially strangers who don’t know me.

Common human trait ,or my Asperger’s Syndrome?

Hello, hey. I see pad direct discrete treasure maps for a lot if consoles pinned and the first post is pinned to show discrete pad hadhacking diagrams.

I notice most of the treasure maps are for systems that can be done in multiconsole PCBs.

Is there any difference in delay/lag/ping between using the native PCB and using a Cthulhu/PS360+/Brook Universal USB / Brook retro?

And what about systems that are NOT covered by these multiconsole fight PCBs?

I understanf you got the 2 most popular ones for the stereotypical SRK user. Genesis 6 and N64. There MAY or MAY NOT be a Wii Classic Padhack diagram. ( I assume fight hackers want the Wii Classic Pro controller, with the non analog buttons that were thought of when they were considering emulating GameCube games. If they want a simpler job, Pros are as easy as a digital button)

Now one final question:,. Despite local popular information to the contrary, you can use “fight sticks” for pretty much and video game from before the PS2, and even though the Atari 7800, the Sega Master System, and systems older than the NES don’t have what SRKers would recognize as fighting games, a joystick would cone in handy for older consoles, and instead of making a separate stick. add a few new adapters for older systems.

For Atari 7800 and Colecovision Super Action Controllers. Edladdin.com makes custom made-for-discrete-fightstick PCBs . Thankfully, Atari 2600, Bally Astrocade, Sega Master System, Neo Geo, Odyssey 2, and possibly CBS 2600 Booster Grip, are direct wires.

The Atari 5200 can have a 15 pin old style PC controller work with a Bohoki adapter ( look for Atari Age user Bohoki) and do a standelatd discrete pad hacking job on an NES-style digital joypad, and thankfully the keypad is a combination of 8 pins to actuate 15 buttons (or Y adapter in a real working 5200 controller for the keypad.)

I assume the best way to do Jaguar and 3DO is to pad hack. May I have a diagram on where to pad hack on a Jaguar and 3DO. Atari uses such a complex PCB, that the best way to capture is just take ad is and padhack it. And for daisy chaining to work on 3DO, padhacking is probably easiest.

Intellivision uses separate inputs for diagonals, instead of combining 2 cardinals to make s diagonal. That makes it tough to padhack. But i seen a couple diagrams to build a pcb from scratch using special logic chips.

I searched google for 3DO and Jaguar pad hack diagrams. I couldn’t find them. If someone sees them, can they post it here and pin it to the first page?

Thank you in advance.

Hello, wrote 9 days ago. Again, thank you for showing Genesis 3 button and 6 button soldering maps. And I may use it one more time if I find an N64 controller for Killer Instinct Gold and Mortal Kombat Trilogy.

I found this page by looking up “Genesis pad hacking diagrams”, on Google. On my Android phone, the pictures show up as broken links. Do either load them directly into the SRK server or update links.

Thank you again. I’d like to contribute something, like a description of how to do direct discrete-to-discrete hookups for systems that don’t need a PCB, like the 2600, Bally Astrocade, Sega Master System, and, if the rumors were true that they are PCB-less connectors, Neo Geo and Supergun.

Also I think I found a way to do the Atari 5200 soldering an NES-style 15 pin PC pad and using a Bohoki adapter. And I got a link to a pre-made 7800 and Colecovision Super Action retro PCB from Edladdin.com , even though a 7800 stick is easy for most people without it. Also I can share a link for a DIY Intellivision fight stick adapter using logic chips for dealing with diagonals ( the INTV has 16 different actuators for 16 different directions. Yes it’s a 16 direction, one intensity plus neutral stick. But all we need are 8 or 4 ways.)

A couple omissions: 3DO and Jaguar. None of the retro multiconsoles deal with 3DO well enough where it can fit anywhere in the Daisy chain. There might be ways for it to work with a Cthulhu, PS360+, or Brook Retro, but only has a maximum of one fight adapter.

And Jaguar, there may be a couple of generic fighters in Jaguar, (Primal Rage being the most familiar one), but despite this notion being unpopular in SRK, it’s true: there are other games besides fight games that play better with a stick than a pad for enough people where it’s worth posting.

Heck, quite a few people want to avoid using stock Intellivision, Colecovision, or 5200 controllers. Here’s a way to escape them.

So I tried finding 3DO and Jaguar pad hack diagrams, and can’t find them. Anyone know of any such diagrams

A new update.

Another mid-retro hack diagrams that’s handy for people who need a 3DO hack. Because any current use of Cthulhu, PS360+, or Brook is either no 3DO, or 1 player/ last player only at best.

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQ5IPh-sAyWuwcm4nNlVbOpORgmMw:1578991492714&q=3do+pad+hacking+circuit+diagram&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=ms-android-motorola-gfw&fir=mUlf2NpgTvRTBM%3A%2C9wERSXw5d13sLM%2C_%3BFUYNunYJKW5GmM%3A%2CZb_t4BCT_rdneM%2C_%3Br3Vtchjvh_tcEM%3A%2CZb_t4BCT_rdneM%2C_%3BTfdjXViUkuTl2M%3A%2CZb_t4BCT_rdneM%2C_%3BFmDPLeD3j5G3KM%3A%2CM0k2g6Ay3ZR5bM%2C_%3B2C8aQ_D-6__YbM%3A%2Cm-FAkW5bMT-FFM%2C_%3B0jNeZblVqJCckM%3A%2Cm-FAkW5bMT-FFM%2C_%3Bz20G_GYIyHFm6M%3A%2CDJP7mQj_mJdmYM%2C_%3BA2vr0AZkUni9pM%3A%2CbCnSOKw0-tbp8M%2C_%3Bh7dMUfTvszONOM%3A%2CkWVmOhQIvLBe5M%2C_&usg=AI4_-kSjSDkZWfbDpTWr_8gK74e20UV5-w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjM45rY2YLnAhVUZ80KHS_bB8UQ420oCnoECAkQHA&biw=360&bih=616#imgrc=x7yPCZYe5a46BM

Just need Jaguar