The Optical Joystick Discussion

ASCII Opti-clone

Understandable; ASCII Answer does sound a bit weird at first. But I’ve got something cool that may make you change your opinion, even if just a little bit! :wink:

ikagi chan, you have an ascii right? do you know if the engage distance is any different than the standard jlf? i think i had read in some old srk archives that the engage distance is shorter.

I’ll have conclusive info once I actually get some measurements, but from my understanding, the engage distance is the exact same. The ASCII Answer and the Sanwa FLASH 1 only seem to have shorter engage distances since you don’t actually have to activate a switch and the optics are more sensitive than a physical switch. Again, I’ll get data, but for now, let’s tentatively say that the ASCII and Sanwa optical joysticks run the same specs as the JLF. I know for certain that the deadzone is the exact same; can’t play SHMUPs for crap on my ASCII due to the insanely huge JLF-esque deadzone. :wasted:

oh i see. thanks for the response man. if the deadzone is exactly the same, then the engage distances shoudl be exactly the same cause since those are (i think) directly correlated.

i personally prefer a shorter engage distance, even for fighters. now i’m wondering if there are ways to mod the opticals the way you can mod the switches on a jlf so they can have shorter engage distances. do you think replacing the plastic washer or rubber washer (the ones that go between the base and the pcb) with thicker or thinner washers would change anything?

The physical mod would still be in making the actuator fatter, no?

that could work too, but i’ve heard some bad things about fattening the actuator with tape. it gets mushy, etc apparently. but by changing the distance between the pcb and the base (if that’s even possible), you change what part of the actuator hits the optical sensors. i’m guessing it’s possible by increasing that distance, the sensors would be set off by a part of the actuator closer to the tip (farther from teh pivot) therefore decreasing the amount of movement it takes to activate a direction, thereby effectively decreasing the engage distance. this is all theory. i’ll probably try it out myself on sunday after i get my ascii installed on my TE. i’d like to get anyone’s input on this too.

How can the tape get mushy if do the modify?

This time the tape does not get into contact with anything.
With a standard Joystick using Microswitches, the tape around Actuator would touch Microswitch Actuator.

XMetal, adding tape would do just fine for decreasing deadzone, it’s just that you gotta be a LOT more careful doing the tape measurements since the ASCII Answer and Sanwa FLASH 1 sensors are WAY more sensitive than a Sanwa JLF’s microswitches. The hardest part if you ask me would be making the tape stay on after a long period of time since, even though it’s not hitting anything, tape does eventually fall off (at least in my experience). That could easily be solved though by a bit of super glue.

There is a better way than tape, but I’m not sure what it is yet.

Maybe Green Stuff (modeling resin/epoxy type stuff) sculpted on and sanded to shape, or thin paper/plastic strips glued on and painted with a sealant.

This is pretty interesting stuff. I can’t promise anything, but I’ll see about making a mold for a custom fat actuator. I’ll have to test for durability obviously, but the component is simple enough that I think I can make a functional mold of it.

Now if only I didn’t sell my ASCII Optical :…[[[[[

Guess I’ll have to get a Flash 1.

oooh jdm you’re right. i was thinking it would get mushy hitting the gate but you don’t have to put tape around that part of the actuator, well then, that’s idea should work well.

Yes, the part that touches Restrictor Gate is for the Throw.

Scored Ascii FT stick with box sweet…

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/meus/nxphp023-img600x450-1265989835sitgk.jpg

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/meus/nxphp023-img600x450-1265989835fqilo.jpg

You’re gonna sell it anyway so, just sell it to me now.

ive been following this thread and i’m very confused. how can you tell if ascii is optical or microswitch? there are so many on ebay cheap too but i have no idea how to tell them apart is for example svc has optical version AND another microswitch version? or just for example pls it only comes in optical?

@meus more japan yahoo? very clean from this picture

meus, nice. if we gave you enough time, i think you’d have EVERY optical stick on the planet hahaha.

hacksparrow, i think jdm listed EVERY ascii stick with an optical in it before so if it’s on the list, it has an optical. not sure where the post is though. if someone can find it, ikagichan, you should edit the first post to link it, along with teh 70 other useful posts on opticals that jdm has made hahaha

Not this one. The ones with optical that has box and complete i will keep.

No this time local, someone on canadian forum was elling this stick…

Yes soon i will have all six opticals Ascii have ever made. i have 2 of them need 4 more left…

ah i found it thx xmetal.

ikagi you should link to main page jdm information on page 4 http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=221737&page=4

nice find as usual meus. when you are ready to get rid of one of your loose Ascii’s, let me know :wink:

heatshrink tubing.