The only problem with MVC3... is you

Classic Fighting Games Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3
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It’s a different era unfortunately. I’m not a fan of what the internet combined with paid advertising has done with fighting games. There’s monetary incentive to create the most complete resource of information that will explain every facet of the game so you don’t actually need to figure anything out yourself. Just let someone else do it and then look it up. Why bother spending the time testing things when I can just read what someone else did?

I understand the massive benefits this change has had but I don’t like the attitude that’s developed because of it. A lot of newer players don’t like 3S right now simply because you cannot just read about stuff and have it effect your gameplay. Qualities that make you good in 3S have a lot less to do with execution and aren’t that tangible. It simply takes time and dedication. MvC2 I imagine is the same way.

I played MvC2 as a kid and always thought it was a blast even when I didn’t understand one bit of it. The game is just ridiculous. The fact that people spent the time to understand such a multi-layered and complex beast as MvC2 is just incredible to me. Now everything is really out in the open and the game progresses so rapidly no one has time to even know how powerful something is.

In addition mvc3 is simply a different game. MvC2 came out around the same time as 3S I think, within a few years. These games were capping off a genre explosion. They needed to be bigger and deeper than everything already out there. SF4 and MvC3 are trying to bring people in again so they’re less concerned with direct competitors (in the genre) and more concerned with being enjoyable games for a variety of people. That’s just what you end up with.

I like all 4 of these games but depending on what you grew up with and remember your going to be skewed in some direction. That’s something people need to get over. MvC3 is kind of for a different group of people. That’s ok though, mvc2 will keep chuggin along and likely be even stronger with mvc3 out now. People will play both, play one and switch to the other at some point, etc.

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practice? execution? time and effort? currently, Capcom isn’t interested in creating those kind of games. in fact, they’ve been pretty open about making their games accesible (ie: dumbed down). they include handicapping features like comeback mechanics to create artificial tension and protect losing players from getting crushed. apparently, they’re sticking with the formula.

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This thread reeks of ‘back in my day, we had to walk 10 miles both ways to school’. It’s overly sentimental and kind of embarrassing. Marvel 3 has loads of ridiculous shit in it, pointing that out isn’t a crime.

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I happy about the variety of fighting games out here.

Tekken, KoF, BB, SSF4, AH, MB, and now MvC along with the older games beginning to resurface. Every game offers something different so if you don’t like one game, you can just grab another and it’ll have people to play with.

I think that’s what people need to do and realize; if you don’t like a game then play something you do like. Complaining about everything the game is or isn’t is not helping anyone. Okay you fell into the hype and expected this game to be everything you dreamed and your expectations now equal crushed, either deal with it or go play something else.

The information known about this game before release was remarkable and it’s only going to climb. The demo vids showcased some extensive combos, taking out the exploring part and basically “this is what you can expect to be doing”. Funny thing is that the combos are getting even better.

I still think it’s too early to deem anything in the game broken or detrimental to the game’s life. We need time for the problem to arise and adequate time for a solution to arise. Just because it’s a problem now doesn’t mean it will be a problem in a month or 3 nor does it mean it won’t be a problem. Just give it time, people are still getting acquainted with the game, people aren’t even using snap ins to threaten Phoenix teams or using exchanges much, but are quick to bitch about DPhoenix being too strong.

You say you shouldn’t need to worry about a single character or situation, but why not? If I see Phoenix, I think you should be worried and get rid of her first. If XF3 Sent scares you so much, snap his ass in and take him out early or catch his ass in hyper as an assist and then snap him in to finish the job. It would probably kill the team synergy because of how good that drones assist and DHC HSF is for everyone.

I know everyone has this idea of an “ideal” game and throw around words like “should” and have all these suggestions but in reality, you should deal with it as it is now instead of hoping and wishing for change. Get in, learn, play, practice, develop some strategies, adapt.

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That’s the chorus line of the entire thread. Wait more. It’s too early, we don’t know yet. Just train more. Wear your ryu headband and believe in the heart of the cards. When the fuck will we know. When did we know that Hokuto No Ken was garbage. Why do we have to pussy foot around the issue. Some of these things don’t have workarounds or solutions. An unblockable super on your incoming character into the same infinite that killed your last character isn’t something something you develop a strategy against, the only answer possible is ‘don’t get hit’. Thanks a lot Internet Sensei.

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Is that why Cable teams were the best teams in MvC2?

Oh wait, people learnt to deal with it over time.

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Interesting thread and something I’ll fully respond to later when I’m at a computer, but for now I’ll just say one quick thing…The thread title doesn’t really do the argument justice as it can be attibuted to any negative situation you wish (I’ll refrain from giving crude examples as I’m sure your imagination can do the work for me).

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@ Mr.X

It’s too bad were not talking about MVC2. What strategy do you use to avoid an infinite combo, into an unblockable super on your incoming character that combos into a second kill? I know you’re just going to advocate more Samurai training or whatever, or just waiting around hoping that whatever people find* won’t simply make the game worse*, but to act as if these are the only reasonable responses to issues of game balance is to ignore the mountain of fighters that the competitive community dropped for very good reasons. Sometimes shit is busted and sometimes you don’t need to wait to long for that to become clear.

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The problem right now is that there hasn’t been a major yet. All of the people that are tourney goers have figured out how to beat Sentinel and all of the Sentinel players have figured out how to get by traditional anti-Sent measures, so a real metagame hasn’t developed yet. I think Final Round is the first major tourney, so we will see what comes of that. I know that I personally don’t have problems with Sentinels online, and while occasionally playing with friends, I’ll get full-lifed off of a mixup with 3X Sent- its a mistake that I made, not a fault of the game. Basically, if you aren’t going to figure something out for yourself, then be patient while someone else figures it out for you.

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It sounded a lot like MvC2 Cable, sorry.

Kill that character first.

Edit: Hit respond before I saw your edit.

Well, the games people like to play competitively in the States at least, don’t have a real trend other than being Capcom made. They did play MvC2 for 10-11 years, which was busted and people enjoyed it anyway instead of something like VF, which is the most balanced fighter or GG, which is another good and well balanced game.

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You don’t let yourself get in that situation. Most unblockables require the player to setup the situation, and those situations can be avoided.

What’s bad in one game isn’t necissarily bad in another, nor for each individual. Some people don’t mind charecter kill combos, they don’t mind high damage, they don’t mind unblockable situations, they don’t mind broken ass stuff. There’s no objectivity here.

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Uhh… isn’t that obvious? You deal with the character before they get you in that situation. i’m not sure if you’re trying to be dumb with that line or what…

Sadly, the days of someone losing a match and then y’know… getting better at the fucking game so they won’t make the same mistakes again seem to be long gone.

Also, HnK is a good game.

Weird though to openly take a position that some stupid shit is only acceptable in one game and not another. though.

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I don’t want to get ahead of myself, but I think you’ve just solved every fighting game problem ever.

Question: This character is doing X, what should I do?
Answer: Kill them.

You missed the context of that completely. He thought I was talking about cable. I wasn’t.

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The best solution to any problem is to not allow it to happen, imo. I know it’s pretty difficult for some to grasp of the idea of “don’t let it happen” because they want to know what to do WHEN it happens instead of working on making it not happen.

I see Phoenix and I say “I can’t let her get 5 bars” and go to kill her first as my plan A, if she does go D.Phoenix onto plan B of how to kill her.

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Well yes, the reality of it is… if you don’t want someone to get you in a combo, the answer is to… not get hit and kill the other character. Obviously if you want the nuances of strategy you’ll have to tell us what team you’re using and which characters are giving you trouble ( and there are threads more appropriate for this ).

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I dunno, I’ve been just either using my own x factor to counter a lvl 3 x factor or been running the hell away until the duration is up, been working so far. All the exclamation about x-factor damage just made me say “They gotta hit me to reap the benefits, right?” Unfortunately, tears can’t leak into your PS3/X360 and make Sentinel or x-factor disappear, so I might as well learn my best how to take out the extremely powerful character.

I understand if this game isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, and you’ll never please everybody, but I haven’t played a game this frequently in a while. Aside from some laggy underwater matches I’m having a fuckin’ blast playing every match.

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so when do we go back to playing super

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Play Vampire Savior instead.

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Im gonna start to back soon. Im really dying for AE!

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Never, because it’s not.

Edit: I think Cable is actually a damn good comparison for Sent right now. People new to the community don’t realize exactly HOW scary he was considered for so damn long. People were joking that the AHVB was made up of thousands of CVS2 Sagats c. fiercing. There was an av of Cable capping Mags in the head claiming “Rushdown is dead”. RUSHDOWN IS DEAD. IN MVC2. This went on for years before people realized that he was a distant 4th place in the tiers. Everyone was so goddamn sure he was THE god tier character of the game.

Speaking of controversial systems that create completely backwards leaps of logic for the franchise, anybody remember when EVERYBODY hated parries? Anybody? The entire fact that punishing an empty jump in was not only the incorrect course of action, but possibly suicide had some people enraged. I just laugh when people complain about SF4 in comparison to 3S, because a scant 3 years ago, people were calling 3S garbage. And now people are claiming they’re going back to Super from this. Hey, anybody remember TWO WEEKS AGO when SSF4 was the worst fighting game ever made? No?