For BAS, I think he always prefers to have Bison R2 as a safety net. I don’t think that necessarily speaks for the rest of Japan, as I’ve seen many permutations of Team ARE. Blanka/sak/bison is common as well.
I tried out A-Honda today and it is dominator 
Bas is too cheap.
You can turtle better in A-groove because of the constant threat of a random CC activation. This has happened to a me lot of times where I have my A-groove opponent cornered and am about to break his guard, but all of a sudden he randomly activates and now I’M the one that’s cornered and with the flashing guard meter.
Whenever the pressure is too much for them, A-groove turtles almost always have their get-out-of-jail-free card with the CC activation.
What’s N-groove going to do? Counter roll against one of my attacks that can’t be counter rolled and eat my combo as a result?
I’ve never seen any good players in N-groove who break their stock just to run away or sit back in the corner either. Honda isn’t a bad turtle in N-groove because he has all those alpha counters, can RC, and has break stock, super, but try to turtle with any other characters in N-groove is just asking to lose in my opinion. Even the good turtle characters like Blanka, Bison, Balrog, or Vega. Playing them in N-groove over C or A just so you can put yourself into the corner and block all day is counter intuitive if you ask me.
KCXJ: well said.
n groove is more offensive. turtling in n is counter productive imo. no one is saying it can’t be done, but it can be done better in other grooves.
Honda is the man.
Honda can take out anybody.
But vega can f.ck him up though.
RC honda should catch on in the U.S. soon. :karate:
HUH sak sucks without RCs? i think she would still be top without RCs. Let’s see:
-s.roundouse, s/c.jab, s.strong are good tools to use against EVERYONE
-c.fierce, a damn good AA
-Her CC is damaging, breaks guard, and easy once you know how to do it
-Unblockable super like sagat sagat
-Can GC relatively fast with hurricane kick pressure, and fireball
-Really good crossup and mix ups off of a knock down
I don’t agree with whoever said terry is high mid. that’s far from the truth, and to put kim on his level is pretty silly (no offense :razzy:). Terry get’s eaten alive by a lot of the top tier characters and high mid characters. that’s the opposite for kim. He does decent against most of the TT, he has range, good priority, GC’s extremely quick, and has a fast super that punishes whiffed moves easily…He’s high mid imo :wgrin: . Ryu on the other hand is mid, but better than terry.
Alright guys. I used to think CvS2 was a tad more of a balanced fighting game then SF:3rd strike.
But now I’m starting to think 3rd strike is more balance.
Post your opinions here.
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70886&page=1&pp=15
it’s kind of like when those heap of players started using K-rock/kyo/hibiki after watching OTK “new” vids
now people are going to use A-honda after watching BAS’s vid. i know i am :devil:
Hell! forget A-honda…C-honda is my cup of tea… :party: / any groove honda :xeye:
I think he’s the new thing in japan right now.
He pretty much beats everything. Even team bas I hear. 
:wow: :lame:
C Honda,maki,sagat sounds really good right now… 
N-Terry does extremly good against Sagat and Blanka. He’s also good because he can rush down really good with run and s.fp. And IMO, he has one of the best sweeps in the game. He has combos in N that can do crazy damage easilly. He can connect lv.3s to lv.1s and lv.1s to lv.1s whenever he wants with extremly easy and links. He works really good with sj, he does incredible GC damage and he can get another character dizzy extreamly fast. I could be typing all day about Terry’s atributes and combos and shit, but I’m too lazy.
Terry is a very good character on N-groove. Upper mid definately. A character that does that good against Sagat and Blanka is definately at least mid tier. And when used right he’s UPPER mid for sure. He handles top character great. You just havent played a decent Terry yet. Simple as that. And Kim is the shit too!!!
Oh yeah BTW. I tried out using s.lk with Sagat. You guys were right. That shit owns!!! :wow:
p or k terry can do well against blanka and sagat. especially p. otherwise, he kind of dies.
I used to play both N and K Terry and it seems that N-terry is the better version. It’s practically the same thing, but N gives him the offensive edge he needs and it gives him roll cancel. JD doesnt really help Terry much, because he’s an offensive character. Plus the fact the terry can get all those lv.1s on N really helps put him over any other Terry. Even though Terry can get Lv.3s faster on K, It’s way more effective to use two lv.1s or you can go for a lv.3 -> lv.1. Thats way more damage than a lv.3 and much more practical.
Either way, Terry shouldnt be underestimated. He’s better than he seems if you look past all the scrubs that use him.
k terry is nasty. he can land buster wolf way too easy. and i don’t think he benefits much from rc. with jd, you can build meter and life so fast that you can take control of a match off of one light kick. two level ones don’t do a whole lot of damage anyways so i don’t really see a reason to use meter that way.
p terry is better though. i play both and find p terry does better against the high tier.
i hope you’re kidding me. look at the list of upper mid tier characters…
A-Hibiki
C-Rolento
N-Iori
K-Geese
K-Rock
P-Kyo
A-Vega
C-Ken
putting N-terry in that list is retarded. the best terry is P/K, and he’s not upper mid. terry is mid tier. please stop cluttering this thread with unfounded “advice.” you speak in vague generalities too much. saying that terry can rushdown sagat and blanka is not true. the greater majority of characters have “easy” links into supers, but actually HITTING those links is the difficult part. P/K terry can create openings with parry/JD to land his super, which is why he’s better in P/K grooves. RC doesn’t help terry as much as you think. coming from somebody who didn’t know the power of standing lk with sagat, you’re just digging yourself a deeper hole man.
ANYWAYS- anybody know why A-XXX/blanka/r2 bison is better than A-XXX/bison/r2 blanka? and i’m still waiting on buk’s response to my eagle post(s), that should be good.
peace
PS- RC honda is the gayest shit in all of cvs2. thank god i play eagle:tup:
Popoblo…
IMO R2 Bison is good anchor because he has many guaranteed ways to land the CC. Also I think Bison with CC tends to do well vs Sagat or something, IMO better than Blanka. Plus Blanka is somewhat limited to land his CC, so thereby he may have to go with random activations. I think also the fact that Bison is the anchor means if the person is behind. Bison can kill off their second char, then have enough life to build up meter and land another CC to kill off the third. Its a weird debate. I think it is also generally believed Bison does well vs most chars that are anchors, like Blanka, Sagat.
I personally think if you have a good Bison. Sawada’s setup of R2 Blanka first and R1 Bison anchor, is prolly the dopest. Cuz R1 Bison with CC is basically a R2 char. But you have to be good with Bison.
R2 blanka is better. R1 blanka’s CC doesnt do as much damage as R2 blanka’s by a lot, but bison’s CC ratio 1 or ratio 2 does roughly the same. plus you want your RC electricity to hurt. bison as a ratio 2 is good but blanka as a ratio 1 isnt as threatening as ratio1 bison and ratio2 blanka. and i think R2 sak is the worst. its like trading in blanka or bison’s damage for nothing.
R2 Sakura means more chances to land the CC. Given that she builds meter so fast, that’s a LOT of CCs. Bison gets like one CC chance per round unless he draws it out really long. Sakura can use her CC pretty much at will, and she’ll get to use it like 2-3 times a round, so in her normal lifespan she might get off a CC like 4 times a match.
At least, that’s R1 Sakura.
R2 Sakura extends that to like 6-7 times a match, potentially. That’s crazy clean-up/comeback potential waiting to happen.
RC honda as of right now…
is the most feared character in CVS 2.
Period!
Jesus!?.. A groove honda bison blanka. Who could have thought of a cheaper/messed up squad.
This is bas new team. He should call it “King BAS” :wow:
And to answer your question… I think Bas plays Bison last, to have mercy on his subjects. Hail King Bas :karate:
A honda builds meter for Bison… Bison has full meter… then you fight blanka/ rarely mess up activation CC. U better be that dam good to stand a chance. I only wish I could play him. :sad: I would love the chance to play such a wack ass, busted team like that.
/ play Ratio 4 sak… Then all you need to do is land custom 3# times. :xeye: :lame:
“putting N-terry in that list is retarded. the best terry is P/K, and he’s not upper mid. terry is mid tier. please stop cluttering this thread with unfounded “advice.” you speak in vague generalities too much. saying that terry can rushdown sagat and blanka is not true. the greater majority of characters have “easy” links into supers, but actually HITTING those links is the difficult part. P/K terry can create openings with parry/JD to land his super, which is why he’s better in P/K grooves. RC doesn’t help terry as much as you think. coming from somebody who didn’t know the power of standing lk with sagat, you’re just digging yourself a deeper hole man.”
-Popoblo
Heh, why is his opinion retarded? He pretty much stated why he thinks Terry should be ranked higher, like you have done for Eagle. I however dont see why Eagle anywhere above mid-tier, Sure his poke is good, and his level 2 cancels/CC are okay, but this is true for a lot of characters. RC lariat is a great AA? Heh, RC anything is a great AA. Eagle is simply to difficult to use VS some characters, hell, take Yamazaki i’ve seen your “Help me with Yamazaki” posts for days now in the Eagle thread. And i do not think Eagle counters Honda (360 throws, and hands), you we all KNOW you can counter some of Honda’s stuff, but countering is a tricky subject, because counters are risky if whiffed. If counters made Eagle High-mid, then Geese would be top (although high mid now).
Also how should top-tier be defined, if you ask me by Ease of use, Groove Abilty, and Matchups. To get a better understanding of what I mean I’ll make a small chart comparing Eagle VS Sagat:
Ease:
Sagat - Great quick pokes over a huge distance, awesome B&B, Huge life,
great priority, level 2 cancels, AA’s, can be a batter/user/anchor, C.fie comes out fast with a weird hitbox, and this is just some. However the most important thing is all of these attributes can be easy learned, seen, and abused.
Eagle - Great poke (small distance), great B&B (builds bar quickly), normal life, normal priority (c.mk beats a lot, but so does a lot of other stuff), 2 cancels are good, weak damage potential without bar, AA is decent, CC is okay, and he is pretty much only battery material. However eagle is harder to use, and has some very risky moves. (pretty much making him a normal mid-tier character). If you disagree, and still assume eagle is anywhere above mid-tier…ask youself why you didnt use him at EVO.
Groove:
Sagat - best in C, good in any position, considered top-tier in nearly every other groove though.
Eagle - Best in A, decent in C only as a battery. Not much use in any other groove (although like other mid-tier characters im sure he can fare well in some others)
Matchups:
Sagat: Although people dont really like to admit it there isnt a character in the game that stands toe-to-toe with sagat. However if you take into account bar…a-sak becomes just as good.
Eagle: has decent match ups VS top-tier, but gets owned by a few good pokers. He also doesnt move around well, or have a great wake-up. His moved are laggy, and his distance/damage are lame.
This pretty much outlines why Sagat is better than Eagle (which we all knew to start with), however you’ll also notice that Eagle’s stats looks about the same as any other mid-tier character (and he’s probably harder to use than some of them). If anything Eagle is…upper-mid-mid-tier laugh.
As for Buktooths Tiers, I pretty much agree with it, except for P-Kyo he’s great, and huge damage, and lots of mix-ups. But a mix-up character is a mix-up character, and can be inconsistant.
cheese_master
yea, i think sawada only used R2 blanka first to counter ohnuki’s N-akuma (just like tokido used R2 blanka to counter daigo’s guile at SBO1). but otherwise, i’m pretty sure his team order is A-sakura/bison/r2 blanka. and i was under the impression and sagat beats bison if played correctly, and blanka would have a much better chance against a proficient sagat. LZJ is right, a custom full of fierces (blanka’s) means he should be r2, and bison’s multi-hitting custom makes him perfect for a r1.
No D
lol, you’ll definitely play A-honda/blanka/bison in the near future, it just won’t be played by BAS. that team will be x-copied big time:rolleyes:.
Rocky Dean
too many glaring mistakes with your reply, so i’ll just address the major ones…
-snakedizzle’s opinion was retarded because he said terry can rushdown sagat and blanka by using run up fierce. run up fierce with terry…are you kidding me? best sweeps in the game? not quite.
-the difference between his opinion and mine was that i’ve backed it up with facts, not vague statements. and i don’t see how me posting help with the yamazaki match means ANYTHING. i’ve figured out that matchup anyway, so whatever. 8000+ ground CC is just okay? that’s above average.
-eagle’s counter is different from anybody elses because his can be released as a poke. honda will very rarely knock eagle down to setup 360 throws (and 360 throws aren’t guaranteed damage anyway, they can be countered in different ways), and eagle’s mp counter eats up honda hands. if honda rolls, eagle releases his mp counter to hit honda in the recovery of his roll.
-eagle’s standing fierce and crouching rh are “small distance?” are you kidding me? eagle’s vitality is above average, as is his priority. I DIDN’T USE EAGLE AT EVO BECAUSE I WANTED TO USE TEAM BAS. I WANTED TO HAVE BISON’S CC TO COMEBACK IF NEED BE. I’VE SAID THAT SO MANY TIMES. i won the cleveland tourney with team BAS, and i wasn’t going to switch my team a week before evo.
-why are you even comparing eagle to sagat in the first place? only sakura or blanka could be compared to sagat, and that’s a stretch. you’re trying to lessen eagle’s validity as a contender by comparing him to sagat, when that comparison isn’t even worthwhile. unless your name is sakura or blanka, ANYBODY will look weak in comparison with sagat.
but i guess we’ll just have to play on saturday so i can show you how good eagle is.
peace
PS- i’m tired of defending eagle. the more i write, the more people challenge me on assumptions of what they think they know which usually isn’t true. that’s not just aimed at rocky dean, but others as well. i’ll look forward to buktooth’s reply, and that’ll hopefully be it. i’m tired of talking about tiers, just play the game.