I’ll take K Cammy before Geese any day.
I think Eagle is top tier. The only thing that hurts him is that his really good pokes have a lot of lag. If you’re caught up in footsies, your opponent can just roll and punish you with whatever he wants since he’s still in recovery for a while. I can see the arguement both ways, though.
Popoblo - I’d like to take you up on C-Eagle vs P-Cammy offer. I think he can counter Cammy well, but not P-Cammy. I’d be glad to be proven wrong.
any tips on beating K-eagle? that fool rapes me everytime
I was asking about Vega. interesting anyway. but besides that, state exactly what your problem is with me cuz you’re flamin folks who didn’t even say shit on you
Doom
i’ve never heard geese even mentioned anywhere near the TOP tier. upper mid, absolutely, just not top tier. and i thought the top 2 characters in K-groove were sagat and cammy, not blanka, at least that’s what i read in an old post from buk. i don’t play K-groove=)
Legendary Gokou
you’re right, eagle’s standing fierce and crouching rh have a good amount of lag. that’s why it’s imperative for ANY eagle player to never press standing fierce unless it’s for whiff punishing. otherwise, eagle will get smoked by rollers and jumpers all day. eagle isn’t a “pattern” character, but more of a reactionary character who takes a lot of patience to be good with. besides, i think eagle’s best poke is his crouching mk.
C-eagle? no way man, i only play A-eagle. it’s the same reason i don’t play chun li in tournaments anymore- you miss her combo and have her kick super blocked, you’re FUCKED. you’re eating some massive damage. i’ve missed eagle’s link into super in C-groove too many times, so i’ve learned my lesson. if i miss my link into CC, i can still do a safe blocked CC string and i’m not wide open, which is nice. but i look forward to our P-cammy vs A-eagle matchup:karate:.
FatalFuryD
my bad, i wrote eagle when i meant to put vega. i edited that, sorry. you asked about vega, so why should i write stuff about eagle in response to your question? it’s difficult to combo into vega’s claw super in P/K grooves when it’s much easier to just activate and get damage easier. and my closing comment was just a general one, not directed towards you at all. people just started to give me some heat, so i put that. no problem with you at all man.
peace
i keep reading that yama dies to sagat. not true. roundhouse and rc dust and snake keep him out and stop a lot of his rush. his standing lk becomes less of an annoyance because yama zones anyways. maybe it’s just me but i see it as a fair fight. sagat has the advantage because he’s sagat and he dominates everyone, but the fight is nowhere near one sided.
yea im not sure, it was two of Ino’s characters + Geese afaik? 
Anyway, I’ve played alot of Eagle for quite some time, he can be hell for P and K-groovers unless theyre psychic, but I do remember the match from ECC9 I think, it was Eddie Lee vs Jason Cole or something? anyway, A vs K, and Eagle was like dominating the match, getting all the good hits vs Sagat, Sagat did 2 random fireball supers and Eagle got caught and Sagat won, that’s my definition of fucked up for an Eagle player =(
I was just saying that in the end Sakura just has more going for her. Her whole game doesnt just revolve around her RH. I dont play Eagle, but I DO play Sakura, so I know what kind of shit to look out for when playing another character. And it doesnt matter that I havent played Eagle in his best groove, but that doesnt mean I dont know how to play against him. And your completely right, I dont know shit about Eagle. I was just saying that Eagle has some good AAs, because I get stuffed every time. I use K-Vega alot and Small jump is a big part of my style with Vega. I get stuffed by an Eagle who cant even RC. And against characters that are fast in terms of SJ, then isnt an RC move a little hard to do on reflex. Come on man. Theres no need to be so hostile. If anything I was agreeing with you. And I was just posting my opinion about Geese being top. I doubt he’s in the mid tier even if it is high in the mid tier. He’s got too much going for him to not be up there with Sagat and them.
IMO
Sagat, Cammy, Sakura, Blanka, Bison > Geese
Geese > everyone else
since no one seems to be answering these questions … i’m gonna post here until i get some sort of response.
where do K/C Rugal, K Geese, and C, N, K Yama fall in terms of tiers? Are they all mid? Apparently from the first post, it would seem so. But I’ve heard Rugal is lower mid - which I find hard to believe. IMO K Geese is pretty damn good (good priority, high damage when raged, smallest hit box, high life meter, etc), and only like 2 people every brought him up. A couple people brought up Yama - who seems to have high damage potential and a god like Standing roundhouse. Could someone give a good in depth look at their teiers?
So what are the major weaknesses of Rugal, Joe, and Yama?
And just where does Nakoruru stand? She’s clearly not top, but in every discussion I see she alternates between the high-mid/low-top and the just plain low (!). RC hawk-grab overhead (can’t remember it’s name… I don’t play her) seems awfully good, what with the invincibility cover on her going up, and the speed with which she comes down… In fact, the combining of at least that RC (doesn’t even need the RC to be good…) with run seems to give her terrific pressuring power in N. But since I don’t see her played much at all, I can’t say much.
Joe’s weakness is Blanka and Yama.
Buktooth: i’m just wondering what’s your stand on Maki? seeing how you used to play her, can you explain why you think the way you think about Maki’s rank on the tier listing.
are you from new jersey? i’d love to play you some time.
Lol no and yes I do know who you are. I just find it rather surprising that you would say something like that. I would think you would be joking about that but it sounded pretty serious as this isnt the first thread you have said it in. Its common knowledge about how good Sak is and to say she isnt is just rather stupid honestly.
In from Washington actually but im deploying in this Hell called Iraq.
Spoony: To expound alittle more, Joe has trouble stopping small jumps, he doesnt have a reliable ground AA, so C groove eats him alive and he has not backup AA besides super for people who can parry well. He is to reliant on his crouching short for a reliable super combo. He has no air game to speak of. Those are some reasons why he might not be considered mid top tier.
He does however have a bit of an underrated roll, its not great but its good enough. He has an excellent pressure and chip damage game. His crouching jabs and crouching shorts are fast. I dont need to mention his lvl3 double upper. His screw upper is surprisngly quick and is good for people who love to small jump. He has an Iori like super combo. He has good speed to get across the playing field. He has a good projectile if used correctly and not abused. He also has a good RC with his RC Crazy Hands, the crazy hands are linkable to but its hella hard to pull off.
youre going to iraq? thats too bad. goodluck, dont lose your head :tup:
Actually im already here, ive been here for like 7 or 8 months, I lost track.
Just out of curiosity, why did you say Sak sucks.
read my argument. you know why i said it.
Um Geese has three bad match ups in my book, Yama Vega and Geese.
Because they can all out range him, well except for geese.
People are failing to realize what LZJ is trying to point out. He’s arguing that if a character has certain strengths/weaknesses that may/may not make them top tier, those factors should be considered first before throwing in the “RC through it.” remark. Thats why he mentioned basics in his first post and why he mentioned Sakura was a bad character. If there weren’t RC she would be a horrible character. All she would have is st. RH and st. jab.
One thing I learned is that you may be good at RCing, but under pressure there’s still the fuck up factor. You fuck up, you’re dead.
That’s all he’s trying to say.
Geese owns Vega for free. All you have to do is keep the pressure on and keep him out of the air.
Ok first off, Sakura isnt’ ALL about RC. And with Sakura the more pressure your under the better, because if there trying to rush you then just roll cancel. And fucking up isnt really a factor. If you fuck up then it’s your fault and not the character’s fault. If your really worried about fucking up then just practice. And you say that Sakura sucks without RC. Thats not true at all. you said that all she has is st. RH and st. jab, but st.RH is one of the best pokes in the game and you can just use that, her BnB, a reliable AA and CCs just to make her an extreamly good character. She’s TOP tier without RC, but RC is what make her GOD tier.
LZJ I have one question for you. Everyone seems to think that you are Josh Wong. Is this true? 