look you people arent listening to me. i’m not saying spam crouching jab if theyre close. crouching jab is just a good tool to get people off you and into haoh’s ideal range. you’re right if it gets JD’d then you’re kinda fucked. but JD is only K groove. against K groove you should always be selective of the moves youre gonna use. bison’s cr. mk isnt safe vs JD but it doesnt mean that you cant use it. if you wanna talk about JD safe moves talk about sagat low fierce, blanka low mk, and cammy st. fierces. or maybe about all the guile moves. true players know you cant not use a move just cuz if it gets JD’d then you can get hit. as for not having a reversal youre right. he doesnt have any reversal but i find that trivial to him because he shouldnt put himself in a situtation that needs one. all crossups that arent deep enough can be handled with fierce DP. even JDing that move wont get the K groove a free hit. if you’re getting rushed to death than you’ve been playing him wrong because nobody can rush haohmaru. but if you are in that situation and need a way out try RC jab overheadslash. downjab between some poke strings. thats really about it. if hes getting rushed than there isnt much you can do. hes like vega. he keeps you out. if you get in. its much better.
I thought you were in the club (are you the dark horse?).
Yeah “Todo” is really good…too bad u have to go to japan to see it… My good friend “Otaru”/ (never post on srk) Said he saw a C groove todo player at More arcade. He had like a 30 wins streak? against the top players too… :tup:
The Japanese think that “ANY” character is good… And can be played in any groove… Period. :karate:
P.S. I have some great casual matches from Seattle WA.,that were played last weekend…
“Otaru” Vs… “LTB”, “D.fox”,and crew?
If its cool with the guys, I will try to get the vids up asap. :tup:
“LTB”… because of u "Otaru plays P groove now. :wow:
Parry in to super is too good… :sad:
I did d.LP, d.LP, d.LP, d.MK with Guile. Normally, whenever somebody presses a button after the third d.LP, they get counter hit by the d.MK. LZJ counter hit ME with Haohmaru d.LP, so there you go. I must of been a frame or two off to not get a trade at least, but what suprised me most is that the Haoh d.LP still reached. That’s why he said Haohmaru is a scrub friendly character. He can definately press buttons and randomly interupt people a lot easier than some other characters can. Kind of like “spin the joystick wildly and mash punch” Zangief so as soon as you leave a gap in their block stun, you get taken for a ride.
Raged K-Haoh at point blank range and in control --> cheesy. I lost over 50% of my life from three raged kick throws since I was afraid of short, short xx death super as I was getting up.
Definately play against a character before ever making any kind of conclusions or theories from now on I say. I think everybody here would be suprised what a lot of assorted characters can do. Again, just because so and so said so etc… doesn’t mean it’s always the bible.
Good post wraith, I tried to tell him something of my own like this but instead he just shrugged it off. Wow Kcxj, there was a time where I respected you hella. Until after you told me to “stop waisting your time.” Now, I realize that your just another scrub that MAKES these boards go repetitive. Don’t believe me? Check out your thread…oh wait you did, and had nothing to even say to me. Whatever, just to clarify though:
Ps…Mago and Daigo are hella scrub right Kcxj!? :tup:
jesus, i get so tired of hearing the whole argument of player skill vs the given attributes of a character. REGARDLESS of the players skill, haohmaru’s crouching jab still has the same properties. josh wong hitting crouching jab wouldn’t be any different than me hitting it, or some japanese dude, or anybody else. IT’S STILL THE SAME JAB.
and kcxj is definitely right, you should just play against a charcter before you pass judgment. this thread is pretty much worthless besdies a few educated posts. keep bitching about theory fighter, i’ve personally realized that having another person think the way you think about a certain character doesn’t mean ANYTHING.
this thread is really only useful if you’re asking about which groove a character is best in, or what’s a good team structure, or other stuff NOT relating to actual placement of tiers. and yes, i’m a hypocrite, because i wasted entirely too much time crusading for eagle to be upper mid. does that mean people would play him more? absolutely NOT.
hey buktooth, i’m still wondering why A-todo is the best character nobody uses…=)
peace
Where I play, one of our top players uses A-Todo and basically, if you get grabbed at any time with the RC grab, and Todo has full meter, you’re customed for huge damage. If he’s not charged, you’re still taking damage and he probably almost has the custom. You can get grabbed when you’re getting up even. The grab recovers so fast that if you jump up to avoid the grab, you can land in his lap for another RCed grab. RCed wave fireballs make him so good up close. Stay out of the corner and run away from him. That walking sweep of his is really fast and knocks you down. If you get hit out of the air with his waves you’re also knocked down. You also eat a lot of block damage from being afraid of the grab. It’s nice to have a really fast roll to go through the waves and punish him, or an air hurricane type move to just keep the hell away from his grab. He’s probably not popular due to how technical he is with all the RC’s, but our player here RCs basically every time so he makes him look really strong. When people first see it, they usually lose for free to A-Todo for the first couple times. Dash up, grab, can work sometimes too. P and K have a tough time.
:karate: word^^^
uhh and just how is todo gonna grab: blanka,sagat cammy, guile vega,?
the same way he grabs the rest of the cast retard. it’s a 6 frame special grab, it’s not techable, his c.LP is +7 and is a great tick into it, don’t act like just because you’re using top tiers the game will automatically super jump away for you
well for the argument somebody made about the player making haohmaru good when they said chikyuu’s 12 is good but 12 isnt a god player, chikyuu does some advanced things with 12. me and my haohmaru just push the right buttons. i mean all haohmaru needs is the low jab, the standing mediumpunch, down fierce, jump straight up roundhouse, jump at them fierce, and DP. maybe kick throw also. but just doing these things at the right time which isnt hard. besides every character can be good and its really easy for haohmaru. just try him out for like a week. you’ll be really good i guarantee it.
hey kang wanna hear something funny? masher ryan broke his finger mashing on the agetech. i think he was trying to get roll cancel handslap or something. 
anyways i forgot to give back your ECC7 tape. its probably the worst cvs2 i’ve ever seen played. a room full of masher ryans would do better. makes me wish i could travel back in time and take all of their money. somebody post about haohmaru and how dope he is. cuz i’m tired of posting the same info that people just dont feel like trying.
Oh shit niggah be servin shit up
Reading that just made my day. It’s one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while. I feel kind of bad for making fun of him now, and then having him change his screen name to that. Actually… now that I think about it, nah. MASH THAT FIERCE MASHER RYAN!
VDO wants to play one more time before he has to head back to the cheesemaster state (22nd or 23rd). Any Sigley tournies or anything before then?
Good games to everybody that played me over the weekend as well. K-Omar and stupid top tier Hibiki death combo BS. I still cringe every time I end up punching at a Rock raging storm for no reason as well. Big props to Eric Lee for the old school SF skills and throwing a million Hadoukens in my face. Great shoto matches we had. NY Renrick has a suprisingly good Kim in case anybody doesn’t know that either. Got my nuts unexpectedly stomped on good in a bunch of matches (s.LK xx stomp patterns). Great games as always JP and the rest of the VA/MD crew. We friends for life. To everybody else (the usual bums, State College clowns, loud black people from Philly), you all suck.
and just how does he get into c.jab distance??I’m sorry if your lettin todos get that close you may want to start a new gameplan.Roll?ohh ya that works now.jump?hell no!poke? uhh ya good one.RC?? free roll combo or jump in.f+mk? that move is soo sorry its basically a free halflife chunk sac.I rest my case…dumbass
heres my tier list incase people are interested
Top Tier:
K-Hoahmaru
A-Hoahmaru
C-Hoahmaru
P-Hoahmaru
A-Blanka
N-Hoahmaru
C-Sagat
C-Honda
Fixed…
“Oh shit niggah be servin shit up”
Oh shit niggah be servin shit up
you could post the exact same grammar-perfect paragraph about any character in the game. todo gets in with waves, c.MK, and his great dash.
but the more skilled player will know when to throw out the crouching jab as opposed to some guy who reads on the forum “hey guys haohmaru’s crouching jab is god-like” then just spams it all day which is why it’s not the same jab.
for all the people who doubted me [lzj + kcjx], i completed an A groove combo yesterday - when can we play so i can show you guys??