who cares if buktooth posts his opinion? if i cant beat buktooth, but i can beat everybody that listens to buktooth on this stupid forum then how much leverage do you have? yeah so why dont you all start learning CvS2 or stop playing. either way all you scrubs will have a new fresh start once CFJ comes out.
- i care because buktooth post plausible opinions
- i’m not quite sure what you’re trying to get at with your 2nd sentence, since the times people do respond to your posts are usually something along the line of “don’t mess with josh, he’ll take your money”. Most of the time, your posts have been put downs, obvious lies(A-sak stuff), flame bait, or comments about who to not listen to. Although some of your comments i do take into account(and apprieciate as well), you’ll say something out of line, but no one can say shit back just cuz you have the skills to back up your own words. so yes, i do think there’s a big difference between what you say and what buktooth says.
- as i said earlier, they should really make a new section for CFJ specifically, cuz i wouldn’t mind discussing it. warzard characters look tight(but so far everyone pretty much diss them and say they are low tier potential cuz no one knows how to use them correctly)
To stay on topic…
i’m assuming C-sagat is only better than other sagats because of the fact he can sit on a damaging lvl2 and has chicken gaurding. but is chicken guarding as helpful as i think it is? i’ve been trying it out a lot, and pretty seem to block tiger raid when i land. are you suppose to chicken guard it very low to the ground? or high? or is it specific to which normal your opponent chooses? or am i suppose to be doing low fwd xx tiger raid, not just tiger raid by itself?
sagat works great in any groove, a being the lowest damage potential, c being the highest, c-sagat is best sagat because of that
this is where the debate between n-chun and c-chun comes from, c-chun can kill you with one super link, while n-chun can punish anything with lvl1
Using airblock like that is good, but not as godly as everyone says it is imo. Good use: playing footsies with another Sagat, the other Sagat jumps in with a semi-early j.rh. Late airblock, anti trip guard c.mk, xx lv2 super low tiger shot xx high tiger shot. C Sagat is the best because of stored lv2’s mainly because you can’t attack him liberally when he has a lv2, because he can do lv3 damage anyway. Roll helps Sagat in some matchups too.
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well, i mainly use chicken guard for things like chunli’s j.short. however, if i see a sagat jump in at me, and i have stored lvl2…instead of chickenguarding, i’d just try to lvl2 high tiger shannon them out of the air. sometimes i’ll get snuffed before my shannon motion comes out, so i guess chickenguarding would help there, however this brings up another question. if you are looking for jump ins(when you have stored bar), wouldn’t you have enough time to DASH back, soon as they jump, and then high tiger shannon(avoiding all possibilities of getting snuffed)?
Well I did this vs a K player, to avoid all counter possibilities.
chicken blocking jumpins with any character is usefull for mix up reasons as well. take for instance, deep jump ins where you chickenblock and know you won’t be able to land crouching mk into super or whatever, you can always just grab. land it once, and whoever you are playing will have to guess whether you will attempt a super or grab should the same thing happen again.
I think the question should be, “how does Bison beat Hibiki?” instead. Ask any forum scrub here and they’ll almost always reply with, “Bison can hit Hibiki after the slash!”. Well, the good Hibiki players time and distance their slashes and bnb combos so Bison can’t punish it. I’ve actually seen instances where the reversal message comes up for Bison’s hard scissors kick (which I always assume was guaranteed punishment no matter what), and Hibiki was able to JD or parry her way out of there.
What does Bison have that can stop Hibiki from using her MP’s and d.LP all day? Bison wants to spam on d.MK? Hibiki d.MP counters that move clean with its superior range. Everything else he does runs the risk of being eaten up/punished by Hibiki’s super fast d.HP. Bison’s one of those characters that simply can’t anti-air Hibiki’s j.HK when she’s right on top of him also. He’s needs to roll or RC his way out.
The best thing Bison has going for him is that he is stronger up close that Hibiki is (his two frame jabs being one of his best tools). Unless he lands a random scissors kick for the knockdown though, Bison’s never going to get that close. He gets out zoned by Hibiki’s superior midrange normals instead. Hibiki’s a small character too, so it’s not like Bison can ever catch the other guy off guard by just walking up and stand jabbing him as well.
so is the match really in favor of K-hibiki? or is it kind of a close call?
what about C/A/N hibiki vs A-bison?
who wins? CFJ fucking wins. stop playing cvs2 everybody. lets all jump on the new game bandwagon.
Hey, I’m really new to the game (I don’t own the console version yet… soon I hope), but I have a question about top tier characters. Would P-Groove or S-Groove Nakoruru/Cammy/Athena be considered a top tier team? I mean, if I played using that team, how often would I hear people say ‘You just won because you picked cheap characters.’? If you lost to that team, what would you think? That they just won because of the characters they picked, or that they must be really skilled to beat you with that team?
I really don’t like using top tier characters, so I’m hoping this team wouldn’t be considered too good. I know Cammy is one of the best characters, and P groove is one of her best grooves, but I can’t not play as her =) She’s been my favorite character in every game she’s ever been in. I’m just hoping that using Nakoruru and Athena will make my team a bit less common/cheap, plus the fact that I plan to use S and P groove.
Anyway, thanks for any answers. Sorry if this is a stupid question or something, like I said I’m really new to the game. I just don’t want to spend a long time learning a team, just to have to switch when people call me cheap. (Also, I’m not to sure about Athena, would my team be top tier if I put Chun Li or Hibiki or something in her spot?)
As you said P-Cammy is indeed quite godlike. Everyone will get pissed of at losing to her. S-Athena is really good too. She isn’t really abusable, as she has a few weakness, but she tends to work pretty well in S overall. To answer your question, you should definatly not be hated on for using either of those teams. Anyone who blames you for abusing P-Nakoruru screaming top-tier whore doesn’t know what they’re talking about and definatly deserved to lose.
Thanks for the reply =). I’m glad to hear it’s not too good. I was sad to hear that Cammy was so good in this game, but there’s no way I’m dropping her without a fight =) I may someday replace her with some other lower tier character, but I would have to really like playing them to do that. Maybe Chun Li could take her place, or some character I haven’t played yet. I’ll just have to try tons of characters and see if I like any of them enough. I doubt it though =) Cammy is too cool.
Oh well, my main goal was to make a team of characters that people don’t see very much. P-Cammy is very popular, but you don’t see her anywhere near as much as Blanka, Sagat, Bison, or Sakura. (At least, I think that’s the case. I’m just going by the movies I’ve watched, and the characters used in tournaments.) And I have never heard of anyone using Athena or Nakoruru in a tournament, in fact, I’ve never seen a video of anyone playing Nakoruru at all. Not to mention that playing S-Groove alone will make my team unusual. I guess I’ll just have to practice with Nakoruru and Athena so that Cammy isn’t my only good character. Maybe I’ll put Nakoruru or Athena as my Ratio 2 character, that would make Cammy a bit less overpowering, and make one of my other characters closer to her strength.
Anyway, thanks again for the reply =) Just a side note, how do you think those teams would do against the usual top tier teams? I mean if I got good enough at playing them. I’ve seen people use some low tier teams in tournaments before, and they did pretty good. Do you think either of my teams could do well in a tournament if played well? Not that I really plan to enter any national tournaments or anything, I was just wondering =)
CFJ lost in like one week. Rushdown Jedah ruins that game.
Actually I use S-groove naka as well shes pretty good in S her dodge moves are nice, dogde then knock down kick hits standing and crouching opponents.
The one thing I try to do when Im picking characters for S-groove is to make sure that there knock down dodge counter attack hits crouching opponents, and that its not too slow.
For S my team is Naka or Yuri/Yama/Geese.
@ Theiry -
Don’t let the fact that you’re using a good character discourage you. It’s quite fine, and prefferable, to put Cammy as your R2. People who winge about top-tier whores have to deal with the fact that those characters are better, and will be encountered. On that note the rest of your team, and the fact that you’re using S/P groove, you will be a pretty unique team.
On the note of your teams viability… unfortunatly there’s a reason why those characters aren’t seen a lot. Always remember though that anyone is viable in this game if you practice enough, use the team you enjoy using the most and screw everyone else ;P.
=) I guess you’re right about Cammy. She’s my favorite character (and has always been my best character in SF games), so I’m going to use her no matter what. I should practice her just as hard as I practice the rest of my team. If I’m going to beat someone with Cammy, I’d like them to at least come out of it thinking I played her well. Winning because I picked a top tier character is no fun, but winning because I learned to play my characters extremely well is. =) Even if Cammy is one of those characters. Hopefully players who loose to my Cammy will feel like they got out matched skill wise, not character wise. (Of course, that kinda requires my Cammy to be matched against their Sagat, Blanka, Sakura, or some other top tier. Or for them to be really good at the game)
I hope I can do that =) I’d love to get good enough at S/P-Nakoruru/Cammy/Athena that I could do decently in at least local tournaments. P/S-Groove Cammy is obviously good enough to play in tournaments. And strangely enough, most Nakoruru players (like Neo Odin) say that S-groove is one of her best (and I’ve heard P-groove works well too). It seems most Athena players use S-Groove (maybe P too?) as well. So if you (and everyone else) are right that any character can be used with enough practice, and Neo Odin and tons of other people are right that P and S grooves are good with Nakoruru and Athena, maybe it would be possible to pull this off.
=) Even if it doesn’t work out, or I never get good enough, I don’t really care. The odds of me ever attending any tournament is pretty slim, and most likely I’ll only end up playing my brother. So as long as the team is fun, and has at least some fun strategies, I’ll love it. But it’s still nice to know that if the chance comes, I could try my hand against better players and at least hold my own, without doing so just by character picks.
Thanks again for all the help everyone (Ranevski and Neo Odin). I’m pretty sure this is the team I’m going to use now =) Unless I end up not liking the characters for some reason… but I highly doubt that. Cammy is my favorite Street Fighter character, Nakoruru is my favorite Samurai Shodown character, and Athena is my favorite King of Fighters character =) Anyway, thanks again. I’m really looking forward to practicing this team set up now, maybe I’ll even see you guys at Evo some year =) (Yeah right =P I would bet I have almost no chance at all of getting that good, since I only have one human to play against… if he likes the game)
Yeah I hope to make my S-groove strong as well, and in my opinion S-groove yuri is sick.
I dont really play CVS to be Daigo or anything, but as long as im able to hold my own or possibly do well in a tournament, im happy.
I play with who I like, and I belive everyone should do the same
unless your talking about kyosuke.
(then i might have to disagree with u a little…) :lol:
Yeah, everyone in the SRK forums who’s played the game says Jedah is really good. But I also remember that Crouching Fierce Sagat/Blanka ruined CvS2 in the first week. The first tournament in Japan shows really different results though. Check it:
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74381
No Jedah in top 3. I’m hoping the game turns out good and people will find out ways to beat Jedah just like they did against CR fierce.
c.fierce Sagat/Blanka DID ruin CvS2, but not in the first week. It took a looooong time, and an unexpected glitch, to fix that. I don’t know if people are willing to put up with Jedah that long, this is much worse, IMO.
And “the first tournament in Japan” was a weekly that was not advertised, and no one (especially not from More) was representing. None of the well-known players in the 2D fighting game scene right now have accepted CFJ yet. Many are waiting till the PS2 release because right now they feel that it looks dumb.
And there was no Jedah in the top 3, but there was one in the top 7, which is the very next placing. People are using Jedah, there just weren’t that many at this little rinky dink tournament. Jedah played correctly poses problems for anyone without a fast super or airblock. I’ve only seen about 2 or 3 Jedahs that have been played correctly, but the fact that he IS that stupid ruins the game for me.
But this is a CvS2 thread, so stop talking about CFJ.