The Ongoing Tier Thread

[vasAZNion13]

list of tiers

i find it to be a very accurate list. although i’m just sad that you put joe as #8 for Kgroove instead of maki

but that’s just me.

[Magnetic_Hail]

P-Ken 7th place :encore:

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I’m gonna make what I beleive to be a more accurate top 8 for each groove.

C

1. Sagat
2. Guile
3. Blanka
4. E.Honda
5. Chun
6. Rolento
7. Ken
8. Cammy

A

1. Sakura
2. Bison
3. Blanka
4. Hibiki
5. Vega
6. Honda
7. Ken
8. Rolento

P

1. Cammy
2. Sagat
3. Kyo
4. Blanka
5. Vega
6. Rolento
7. idk everyone this far down pretty much sucks. Sak?

S

1. Cammy
2. Sagat
3. Blanka
4. Chun
5. Bison
6. Ryu
7. Sakura
8. Whoever really…

N

1. Blanka
2. Sagat
3. Iori
4. Chun
5. Ken
6. Yamazaki
7. Vega
8. Some shitty charater(Morrigan, Vice) or even Honda works well here.

K
1.Sagat
2.Cammy
3.Blanka
4. Geese
5. Rock
6. Kyo (both of these characters are about equal to me)
7. Hibiki
8. Yamazaki

[System_1]

i find it to be a very accurate list. although i’m just sad that you put joe as #8 for Kgroove instead of maki

but that’s just me.

Never actually seen a good K Maki, my friend plays a pretty good one in C and N groove though. I’m curious, what pluses does Maki really gain in K Groove other than a decent shot to land her level 3?

[Seerd]

I think K-Rock gets too much credit because people like him. He’s got decent stuff, but I dunno how he’s above Kyo or Hibiki.

Supposedly K-Maki can stick out her KK move more often since she can JD and get health back. And the Running Kick super in K-Groove hurts a lot. I mean, A LOT. Plus she’s able to JD stuff in the air and such.

[RagingStormX]

FAR s.strong is a great anti-air. What Yamazaki lacks is a CLOSE anti-air. Close s.fierce works sometimes, so does close s.strong and s.jab. But they aren’t consistent. So what I do is j.strong and meet them in the air. J.Strong is a great air-to-air move, and I rarely see any other Yama players use it.

Yamazaki is one of my favorite characters. I used to think that N was his best groove, but now I live by A-Yamazaki. No one will ever agree with me on this point, but I honestly believe that A is his best groove. His B&B builds up 1/4 meter almost, so he’s a great battery; roll-CC is the exact same as roll-Super, but you can CORRECT it if it’s blocked; quick overhead CC on tall characters… the only thing he loses from C is an anti-air, and no one is going to jump at C-Yamazaki (the groove MOST people consider his best) when he’s charged anyway.

Uh, c.fp works great for me, works as anti-cross-up too. I use his j.fp as air to air actually, but j.strong is real good too.

[vasAZNion13]

Never actually seen a good K Maki, my friend plays a pretty good one in C and N groove though. I’m curious, what pluses does Maki really gain in K Groove other than a decent shot to land her level 3?

i think JDing just helps her out a lot, she gets a good chance to JD something, s.fwd xx kick super, or to JD and punch throw from hella far. stuff like that. i dont’ think it’s really that important, but i find K maki pretty effective in a lot of situations. but that’s just me.

[System_1]

i think JDing just helps her out a lot, she gets a good chance to JD something, s.fwd xx kick super, or to JD and punch throw from hella far. stuff like that. i dont’ think it’s really that important, but i find K maki pretty effective in a lot of situations. but that’s just me.

I agree. IMO, she is funnest in K. I mean you get crazy weird RCs and stuff in other grooves, but she seems best in K. Although in C, she can play like a really ghetto ass ChunLi with the whole punish whiff for st MK XX Lvl 3 K super. I think JDs really help her game to land mad damage vs alot of chars. Like JD Sagat’s st FP or st MK, Ken’s f RH or st RH, into st MK XX Super is an excellent threat. Combine that with her good walking speed and good throw range. She land walk up and land throws because chars are scared to poke vs her for fear of JD into st MK XX super or whiff into st MK XX super. Her throw is nice because she can punish tech roller off it as well as setup good crossup games. She also has the whole threat of Low jump early attack land grab super when raged.

So K maki is definitely dope. I think N is good too, due to Run, RC, and low jump. P Maki would be better if she got more supers. She is a good battery with her command runs building a shit load of meter. But I like K Maki the most. Although I really wish cr MP had some range to it… like a shoto cr MP, then that would be really dope.

[popoblo]

Mickey D’

yes, yamazaki is effective as a rushdown character in S/N/K grooves. look for an old post about viscant’s low forward option tree and you’ll see what i mean. his priority in general is beastly and he stuns about as quick as ken, so why can’t he rush down? and he does have more AA’s than that (far standing mp, crouching fierce, etc).

gunter

interesting stuff, i’ve always thought A was his worst groove. and when you mention how yamazaki can correct his CC if it’s being blocked, how so? i can think of his towards + mp overhead OR doing the overhead, then doing RC sand kick to beat your opponent mashing on buttons. or doing jumping rh’s as overheads. anything big i’m missing?

[GunterJPN]

Uh, c.fp works great for me, works as anti-cross-up too. I use his j.fp as air to air actually, but j.strong is real good too.

C.Fierce trades against shotos and Sagat. In those matches you have to stay away so that you can get far s.strong, which hits clean. J.Fierce is better when you’re coming from under the opponent, but j.strong has more lateral range.

[RagingStormX]

C.Fierce trades against shotos and Sagat. In those matches you have to stay away so that you can get far s.strong, which hits clean. J.Fierce is better when you’re coming from under the opponent, but j.strong has more lateral range.

True. What CC(s) do u use for yama? I’ve always been interested in him, and I heard he has some good reset combo with his f+mp.

[System_1]

quick question. who do you guys think is better between c/a eagle or c kim. me and biggzy have been having an argument over this. imo, c kim is better. but i want some validation from others. :pleased:

[RagingStormX]

I say if used to MAX potential (infinite and all), C-Kim is better. Kim has more solid ways to get damage, and his RC’s are better. C/A Eagle is still a great character though.

[DooM]

You dont want Kim GCing you

Eagle has a slight disadvantage, he’s more of a whiffpunisher, if you throw out fierce and c.roundhouses all day you’re gonna get rolledsuppered

and yes, I do use eagle in A

[System_1]

Unrelated question,
Does any1 know a safe way 4 blanka 2 wake up in k groove, esp. against sagat?( crossover lk, jab x3) jd throw isn’t that reliable. Everytime he knocks me down I’m forced 2 either jd- mash, or block long enough 2 get my distance back. any suggestions?

[vasAZNion13]

Unrelated question,
Does any1 know a safe way 4 blanka 2 wake up in k groove, esp. against sagat?( crossover lk, jab x3) jd throw isn’t that reliable. Everytime he knocks me down I’m forced 2 either jd- mash, or block long enough 2 get my distance back. any suggestions?

just block it. if you dont’ JD it, he can’t tick throw as easily. then you can mash throw if you want to tech.

EDIT:

here’s a questions that been bothering me. if K-kyo and K-rock are considered higher tiers than K-hibiki. why would he put K-hibiki as his anchor? is it cuz she can turtle better? better matchups? or something completely different like he’s just better with hibiki?

[SmoothCat]

she not always the anchor. he usally matchs up against the other team. Rock is usally second just because he has the best comeback potential

[System_1]

here’s a questions that been bothering me. if K-kyo and K-rock are considered higher tiers than K-hibiki. why would he put K-hibiki as his anchor? is it cuz she can turtle better? better matchups? or something completely different like he’s just better with hibiki?

Who said the rankings were set in stone? Just because some random forum guys post their opinions, people have to take it literally? Who wants to bet me that if BAS starts using A-Balrog next week, all the fanboys are going to make their crappy lists with that character near the top as well?

I think Hibiki gives Sagat a really hard time, although A-Blanka can counter her pretty well (not just by Mago’ing that shit and mashing HP like a madman either). Almost all the good players have usually have R2 Sagat as their anchor, so that’s why I think OTK uses Hibiki as his anchor. Vs. A-team players as well. A lot of people still use R2 Bison at the end. That’s a good match for K or P Hibiki.

[LZJ]

hey jerkfaces… stop talking about cvs2!!! CFJ is coming out!!!

[vasAZNion13]

Who said the rankings were set in stone? Just because some random forum guys post their opinions, people have to take it literally? Who wants to bet me that if BAS starts using A-Balrog next week, all the fanboys are going to make their crappy lists with that character near the top as well?

I think Hibiki gives Sagat a really hard time, although A-Blanka can counter her pretty well (not just by Mago’ing that shit and mashing HP like a madman either). Almost all the good players have usually have R2 Sagat as their anchor, so that’s why I think OTK uses Hibiki as his anchor. Vs. A-team players as well. A lot of people still use R2 Bison at the end. That’s a good match for K or P Hibiki.

well the “random guy” is buktooth.(although i was mistaken, cuz he didn’t put K-kyo up on high tier list with K-rock).

but yeah it just kind of was on my mind, and no one was posting anything so i just asked. anywho, the character matchup is probably the main reason as well.

so how does hibiki beat bison? bait rc psycho crusher? and use j.rh when he doesn’t have charge?

hey jerkfaces… stop talking about cvs2!!! CFJ is coming out!!!

they shoudl really make a section for cfj. if it doesn’t work out too well, take it out like they did with SVC.