The Official Sonic the Hedgehog thread

[Sonichuman]

Remember that Kotaku is known to not even be a reliable source. That entire article could be fabrication.

For Sega’s sake I’d hope that it was fake but for some reason I doubt it.

So what are regarded as the best 2D sonic games?

When i modified my PSP recently and put an Emu on it, one of the first things i did was beat Sonic 1, 2, 3, and Sonic & knuckles titles for Genesis. Great stuff!

They were all great but from my experience, i’d say Sonic 2 was a tad higher tier than the others.

Sonic CD(despite overated, it’s still solid) and Sonic Spinball and then the Rush Series.

[Shadow_Ace_50]

So what are regarded as the best 2D sonic games?

When i modified my PSP recently and put an Emu on it, one of the first things i did was beat Sonic 1, 2, 3, and Sonic & knuckles titles for Genesis. Great stuff!

They were all great but from my experience, i’d say Sonic 2 was a tad higher tier than the others.

sonic 2’s multiplayer was top easily…man we ran that shit in elementary school on good friday’s

tiers
Sonic 2 (2 player madness, birth of super sonic)
Sonic and Knuckles Complete version (when you beat sonic 3 the game would flow right into sonic and knuckles storyline)
Sonic CD JP version
Sonic Rush
Sonic Advance 3

I really hope it’s not Sega’s ‘official policy’ to churn out a new Sonic title every other year, because that’s exactly the wrong way to go about things.

well look at it like this, the hate can be spreaded around to more than one title

[Kojiro]

indeed. I’m calling bullshit on 70% of that article.

“But if you sit down with a group of 8, 9, 10 year-old boys, completely different story”

you fuckin kidding me? A kid who knows the slightest difference between why a good game is good and why another has flaws can spot it in Sonic Unleashed. I should know since there was a kid exactly around that age who said himself that the werehog levels were flawed when I asked him about it.

“I think [the Wii’s Sonic and the] Black Knight was a good game”

GTFO! Your execution of that game was so fuckin bad that I’d almost put it in 2006 tier. The only thing that saves it is story and music.

“Sonic can’t compete with Modern Warfare 2. It can’t. Whereas, Mario I don’t think has ever been anything other than appealing to that demographic.”

Whuh? Last I checked regardless of how awesome Modern Warfare is it doesn’t stack up to Mario’s numbers…PERIOD. Especially considering that MW has a more narrowed audience it’s catering too while Mario is played by everyone…in much the same way Sonic can be done. I don’t wanna hear that.

“Often it can be looking at another take on the nostalgic take on Sonic. Or re-issues. They’re very popular. Fans do like that.”

Not if we’re getting a reissue every 2-3 years. There’s only but so many fuckin times we wanna go back and play the old games. I think I own Sonic 1-3k at least 5 times over each and I’m sure others have bought the old games more than I have. This is also not counting the fact that you guys have barely done anything to the old games…not counting that ‘hd’ filter you put on them for the next gen consoles. At least when Nintendo’s released the old games they’ve actually added something to them (E.G. Super Mario All-Stars=updated graphics and sound, etc). Let’s not even bring up that horrible ass Sonic 1 GBA port that came out with FUCKING FRAME ISSUES!? RRRRAAAAAGGGEEE

/end rant

in either case…They came close with Unleashed IMO so I’m curious as to what this whole ‘direction for the core’ is going to be. No more gimmicks please until you can get the core gameplay down completely first…then you can start experimenting.

As an aside is it sad that I wish for a Sonic Adventure 3? The music for SA2 has been popping up on my playlist and if anything I want to hear more Jun.

I’d gladly pay a full 60 for a Sonic Adventure 3 or another true 2d Sonic game.

[TaygetaVendetta]

anyone got an Iphone?

Sonic CD for Iphone
http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/sonic-cd-for-iphone/325697?playlist=featured

surprised they went with the japanese soundtrack

Sega needs to put this game on XBLA

Also I’m pretty excited for Sonic & Sega Superstars Racing or whatever its called. I enjoyed Tennis for what it was.

Next full Sonic game needs to star Blaze The Cat imo.

[True_Grave]

sonic 2’s multiplayer was top easily…man we ran that shit in elementary school on good friday’s

tiers
Sonic 2 (2 player madness, birth of super sonic)
Sonic and Knuckles Complete version (when you beat sonic 3 the game would flow right into sonic and knuckles storyline)
Sonic CD JP version
Sonic Rush
Sonic Advance 3

Whats so good about the japan version of Sonic CD?

And you mentioned the GBA, how were those GBA sonic titles?

[scum_gale_88]

Whats so good about the japan version of Sonic CD?

And you mentioned the GBA, how were those GBA sonic titles?

the game is identical, but the soundtrack is very different. The composer for the american version of CD was the same person that did the soundtrack for Batman Returns (I think, one of the batman games) for Sega CD. Some tracks remained though. However for some reason I cannot stand to listen to it solo, it has to be with the game for me to enjoy it.

and as for the GBA games, those are the closest we are ever going to get to a classic sonic experience for a while. 1 felt like the classic games, only more stop and go and less speed (imo, the game was a tad slow but heavier on platforming so its a fair trade). 2 was way faster and 3 was really more of the same, only with Sonic Heroes-esqe skill swapping depending on your partner. Overall they are all awesome, with 3 being my least favorite, collision detection feels a little spotty.

[Sonichuman]

Whats so good about the japan version of Sonic CD?

the game is identical, but the soundtrack is very different. The composer for the american version of CD was the same person that did the soundtrack for Batman Returns (I think, one of the batman games) for Sega CD. Some tracks remained though. However for some reason I cannot stand to listen to it solo, it has to be with the game for me to enjoy it.

Am I the only one in thinking that overall the Spencer Nilsen did a better job than in the music in comparison the the japanese? I think the composition sounds better on most of them myself. I’ve often wondered what was so special about the Japanese tracks save for a few of them.

[media=youtube]LJXKoubh9sQ"]Sonic Boom vs. [[media=youtube]AhQZyiZk6Qg"]Palmtree panic (present JP)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3PgxYA-5QE"/media) vs [[media=youtube]bZuPxi2_WDo"]Tidal Tempest (Present JP) vs. [URL=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C0g7nClf2U&feature=PlayList&p=6801E22979A012B3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19”[/media] Especially this one.

[Kusanagi02]

I’d gladly pay a full 60 for a Sonic Adventure 3 or another true 2d Sonic game.

You’d think Sega would get the message that people want another Sonic Adventure game. Shit, Sonic Unleashed COULD’VE been a Sonic Adventure game if they substituted the Werehog for Knuckles and threw in some random Tails flying levels.
Would’ve been perfect.

[Indy]

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I’ve never really seen what was so good about the JP Region soundtrack. Its good and there are some tracks that are better than its US counterpart but the majority of the US soundtrack is leaps and bounds better. Give me Sonic Boom any day of the week over the JP soundtrack.

[Syxx573]

I really hope it’s not Sega’s ‘official policy’ to churn out a new Sonic title every other year, because that’s exactly the wrong way to go about things.

i heard they are taking a break to figure out what they’re doing wrong

[Shadow_Ace_50]

i heard they are taking a break to figure out what they’re doing wrong

they should start by taking a look back at the year 2003…

this is when all went wrong…

[Kusanagi02]

they should start by taking a look back at the year 2003…

this is when all went wrong…

And yet 2008 they sort of came back in the right direction with Unleashed but went back to shit with Black Knight afterwards.

[ReggieHadoken]

Am I the only one in thinking that overall the Spencer Nilsen did a better job than in the music in comparison the the japanese? I think the composition sounds better on most of them myself. I’ve often wondered what was so special about the Japanese tracks save for a few of them.

[media=youtube]LJXKoubh9sQ"]Sonic Boom vs. [[media=youtube]AhQZyiZk6Qg"]Palmtree panic (present JP)](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3PgxYA-5QE"/media) vs [[media=youtube]bZuPxi2_WDo"]Tidal Tempest (Present JP) vs. [URL=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C0g7nClf2U&feature=PlayList&p=6801E22979A012B3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19”[/media] Especially this one.

I think this largely stems from two things: 1. GameFan magazine. 2: The Trope “They Changed It, Now It Sucks.” The GameFan reviewer pissed and moaned about the American OST in Sonic CD because he played the Japanese version first. In fact, he knocked off points because the music was changed (Sonichhuman, I’m sure you know all this, but I’m still saying for those who may not know). GameFan, having a ton of followers probably picked up said reviewer’s opinion and made it their own.

Also, the aforementioned Trope. No matter how good a change is, some people will hate it just because it was changed, or because it wasn’t the original. Meh.

Sonic Boom is WIN.

[viperxmns]

I really hope they take a break to reflect. Unleashed had some good things, like the Hedgehog Engine, and all that, but then went stupid by mixing Sonic with Kratos; it’s narrow minded thinking where they reach to other gameplay that’s already been done and throwing it in there even though it doesn’t make sense just to make the game ‘different’ or ‘long enough’. It’d be nice if they’d consider how to grow Sonic gameplay itself, rather than thinking any ol’ ‘other’ gameplay will somehow be the answer.

How about considering new ways of using friction and momentum in a Sonic game? I feel like there are many possibilities they just aren’t exploring.

[Sonichuman]

I think this largely stems from two things: 1. GameFan magazine. 2: The Trope “They Changed It, Now It Sucks.” The GameFan reviewer pissed and moaned about the American OST in Sonic CD because he played the Japanese version first. In fact, he knocked off points because the music was changed (Sonichhuman, I’m sure you know all this, but I’m still saying for those who may not know). GameFan, having a ton of followers probably picked up said reviewer’s opinion and made it their own.

Actually surprisingly I wasn’t aware of the whole GameFan thing though I can’t say I’m surprised. I mean it’s sort of almost like anime when you hear it in a particular language first and then often times you hear it in another and it just doesn’t do it for you. I’d definitely have to think out of the 2 reasons that the second one seems probably 65% more pull than the other and even more to the point that the second reason includes the first.

Even the music for the U.S. intro seems to fit better with what’s going on in the animation in comparison for me and seems to feel more epic.

[media=youtube]iWuNtHV8fAM"]Sonic CD Japanese opening vs. [URL=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC8W672mXc&feature=related”[/media]

One wish I have that I doubt would ever come is for if Sega does happen to make some type of new Sonic wiiware/xboxlive/psn downloadable title that I’d want to see the return of the hand animation style that was used for Sonic CD. I want more of it and the movie even if it was supposedly done by the same animation house didn’t feel like it had the same soul put into it like the ones done for Sonic CD.

[System_1]

Am I the only one in thinking that overall the Spencer Nilsen did a better job than in the music in comparison the the japanese? I think the composition sounds better on most of them myself. I’ve often wondered what was so special about the Japanese tracks save for a few of them.

I agree with you, the US soundtrack is waaaaaaaaaaaay better. Especially Sonic Boom over that crappy “toot toot Sonic Warrior” bullcrap.

[Indy]

If you’ve ever heard the Sonic Boom CD, won’t share links for obvious reasons but its got extened mixes of the entire soundtrack plus a remix of the first stage of Sonic Spinball, its all really good stuff and definitely a recommended listen if you rightly believe the US soundtrack is better.

[Carbunkle_Flux]

I think this largely stems from two things: 1. GameFan magazine. 2: The Trope “They Changed It, Now It Sucks.” The GameFan reviewer pissed and moaned about the American OST in Sonic CD because he played the Japanese version first. In fact, he knocked off points because the music was changed (Sonichhuman, I’m sure you know all this, but I’m still saying for those who may not know). GameFan, having a ton of followers probably picked up said reviewer’s opinion and made it their own.

Also, the aforementioned Trope. No matter how good a change is, some people will hate it just because it was changed, or because it wasn’t the original. Meh.

Sonic Boom is WIN.

Or maybe they’ll hate it because the original soundtrack was better in every way possible. Atmospheric and dark != Sonic.
Sonic CD is the best of that composer’s work. It even tops what he did with Sonic 2.

[Sonichuman]

Or maybe they’ll hate it because the original soundtrack was better in every way possible. Atmospheric and dark != Sonic.
Sonic CD is the best of that composer’s work. It even tops what he did with Sonic 2.

are you talking about the japanese version or the US version?

[Carbunkle_Flux]

The JP version. I was mistaken about it being done by Masato Nakamura who did Sonic 2, but rather it was done by Naofumi Hataya & Masafumi Ogata.

People make fun of ‘Toot Toot Sonic Warrior’ and the Eggman rap being cheesy, but that’s kind of what Sonic is. It tries to be cool and over the top in a cheesy way.

The US OST isn’t terrible mind you (though it has several rather bland tracks) and Spencer Nilsen is a great composer (Ecco is an amazing atmospheric soundtrack), but it isn’t like Sonic at all. I don’t think atmospheric/trance when I think Sonic. I don’t hate it or anything, but I think the original OST is much better music; and definitely not just because some guy at GameFan whined about the US soundtrack.