The Official Sonic the Hedgehog thread

[J-Nav]

Ah man, I missed out on the video.

[mr.newbie]

i miss sonic games having good music.

[Biolink]

For those saying that newer Sonic is shit, go play Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure on DS, and kindly STFU.

Those two have already been mentioned.

The last 3 console games have either been average(Sonic Heroes) to just plain awful(Shadow the Hedgehog,Sonic 2006).

It’s no coincidence that Rush and Rush Adventure were good games.They weren’t developed by Sonic Team.

Heck to stretch it to the last 5 console games which would include Sonic Adventure 1&2,I also found Sonic Adventure 2,to be tedious,just because you pretty much do the same thing twice with only varying Good vs Evil elements thrown in.

For me,the last really good Sonic game was Adventure 1.The only bad thing was traveling that map at times.

i miss sonic games having good music.

For me even right now,this has always been something that I have liked about the series.The current music isn’t Sonic 1,2,3 or S&K level,but I’ve never felt the music to be all that bad,save Knuckles’s rap,Rouge’s jazz music,and the Amy theme song from Sonic Adventure 1.A bit on the cheesy side

[System_1]

Actually, I still maintain that Sonic Heroes is at least the best 3D Sonic, and IMO on par with 2 and 3&Knux. It was fast, had a nice OG feel in a lot of places, but still kept some of the better ideas from newer games, like rail grinding. Really, IDK why it got hated on so much.

[FurryCurry]

Actually, I still maintain that Sonic Heroes is at least the best 3D Sonic, and IMO on par with 2 and 3&Knux. It was fast, had a nice OG feel in a lot of places, but still kept some of the better ideas from newer games, like rail grinding. Really, IDK why it got hated on so much.

BECAUSE OF THAT FUCKING CAMERA.

[Darkstalker]

BECAUSE OF THAT FUCKING CAMERA.

Word.

Pretty cool level designs, good sense of speed, decent mechanics, I CAN’T SEE WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

[Sarangha]

Not to mention the game had mad glitches on the PS2 and PC versions. I am pretty sure the GC and XBOX versions had the same amount of glitches too. The story was also not as good as SA1 or 2, but thats not saying alot for Sonic.

[J-ride]

I’ve lost all faith in Sonic team, and I think they honestly hate their fans. They might surprise us and make a good game, but I really doubt it. It will be the same lame shit as last year, and they will do this until the franchise dies.

[Sonichuman]

i miss sonic games having good music.

Sonic 2006 actually had REEEALLY good music imo…I liked 90% of the tracks on there and there was one that sorta sounded like Ludacris’ money maker in the beginning lol. tries to find that track Crisis City - The flames. Both rush games had pretty good music as well. I still think rush adventure’s boss track is saying ‘beat gangsta beat pop lockin’.

I see what you’re saying. But I’m personally not referring to overblown non-gameplay related content (although I agree that’s an issue, but for another topic).

Sonic 2, even with a graphic update, was too short, too easy, and extremely repetitive. Now, Sonic 2 was a work of art, and was great for it’s time, but even with a face lift, it’s not a game that would fair in todays environment, or that I would want to repurchase at full price. Even without all the fancy bells and whistles, gaming has indeed progressed much beyond what was done in the 16-bit era.

Actually now that I think about it…Sega should go back and grab sonic 1, 2, s3 &k out of the vault and give them a graphical facelift. maybe with rush graphics or a high res Advance look…not entirely sure what I would go with. If they did those games and put it on one disc and made it about 40 bucks with some extra features or something and remixed the OG music but had the choice to just listen to the regular stuff and NOT FUCK IT UP LIKE THEY DID WITH THE SONIC 1 PORT ON THE GBA (you can’t imagine how pissed and upset I was at that game…>( Sonic and frame rate dropping should NOT be in the same sentence like it was in that game)…I’d nab that shit in a heartbeat…likelihood of that happening though? lol…

[The_Electrifying_One]

I was working at SEGA’s UK hq when the leak occured, apparently hackers got into Sgea of America’s FtP. From all accounts this is going to be a really big game for SEGA. Sonic is undoubtedly the jewel in the SEGA crown, and it’s an IP the company is acutely aware has been knocked by recent outings. This should be the first AAA Sonic since SA2.

[DeathReaper47]

Actually, I still maintain that Sonic Heroes is at least the best 3D Sonic, and IMO on par with 2 and 3&Knux. It was fast, had a nice OG feel in a lot of places, but still kept some of the better ideas from newer games, like rail grinding. Really, IDK why it got hated on so much.

I feel the same way. The controls can be slippery sometimes, but now I can A-rank everything with no deaths. I only play Team Sonic(the characters I actually care about), so its a simple story(Robotnik is going to take over the world! Go stop him Sonic!), the levels are greatly varied(Its not just speed speed speed, its platforming/puzzles/combat), the level-up system is really cool once you learn it(although it makes getting A-ranks a little too easy), some decent music(Frog Forest FTW), best final boss design in Sonic history IMO(Egg Emperor is so badass), plenty of replay from emblems, and best of all NO FUCKING FIND THE EMERALDS/SHOOT THE ENEMIES/CHASE THE LIMO/LETS GO FISHING LULZ SHIT…AND THEN DO AGAIN WITH THE DARK SIDE

Only 3d Sonic I’d give a solid 8/10.

Edit: Yeah the camera pretty much prevents any backtracking, but its not god-fucking-awful like Earthworm Jim 3d or anything. The two times it fucks me up is on Lost Jungle when you escape from the alligator and in Hang Castle on that one fucking puzzle. Also, I got the GC version, so it doesn’t have all those glicthes/slowdown.

[RaishinX]

Actually, I still maintain that Sonic Heroes is at least the best 3D Sonic, and IMO on par with 2 and 3&Knux. It was fast, had a nice OG feel in a lot of places, but still kept some of the better ideas from newer games, like rail grinding. Really, IDK why it got hated on so much.

Easy:

-Controls were pissy
-Sonic Team still refused to get rid of “find the oyster without killing yourself first” missions
-Cursed camera
-Stupid deaths (there were plenty of times where I just fell waaay short of some epic jump;
-Weak music
-Weak graphics
-Fairly uninspired levels (there were high points that are outnumbered by lows)
-and guess what? you get to play the exact same 12-14 (I don’t remember) levels with everyone just to get the full story (which sucks) and half of those levels look a lot like the other half.
-no chao (personal qualm of mine)
-shadow has a clone or something kind of stupid like that

Shit was average on it’s best day.

[DeathReaper47]

Easy:

-Controls were pissy(agree, but you get the feel of things around the third level)
-Sonic Team still refused to get rid of “find the oyster without killing yourself first” missions(Not when you play Sonic Team like I do)
-Cursed camera(Agree, not ZOMG-horrible)
-Stupid deaths (I don’t die play it from start to finish. Get better/suck less/etc.)
-Weak music(A few decent ones, and its not the cheesy kind either)
-Weak graphics(Besides the big head/small body sydrome of Sonic and friends, one look at Ocean Palace destroys any of my graphical complaints)
-Fairly uninspired levels (Besides Mystic Mansion, I love all the other levels)
-and guess what? you get to play the exact same 12-14 (I don’t remember) levels with everyone just to get the full story (which sucks) and half of those levels look a lot like the other half(Nobody foreced you to play through that. If the story sucks, then don’t beat it).
-no chao (personal qualm of mine)(Chao sucks)
-shadow has a clone or something kind of stupid like that(Shadow sucks, so I never bothered with his story).

Shit was decet on it’s best day.

filler

[BunnyHead]

I played Sonic 2 yesterday. Its just as good today as it was 13 years ago when I first played it. Nothing rose-tinted about it; its just that fucking good.

Word up!

The question is, would you pay $59.99 for it, and play it on your 360? I sure as hell wouldn’t.

Hell no, I’d pay 20 bucks for Sega collection and play it on my psp or ps2

Easy:

-Controls were pissy
-Sonic Team still refused to get rid of “find the oyster without killing yourself first” missions
-Cursed camera
-Stupid deaths (there were plenty of times where I just fell waaay short of some epic jump;
-Weak music
-Weak graphics
-Fairly uninspired levels (there were high points that are outnumbered by lows)
-and guess what? you get to play the exact same 12-14 (I don’t remember) levels with everyone just to get the full story (which sucks) and half of those levels look a lot like the other half.
-no chao (personal qualm of mine)
-shadow has a clone or something kind of stupid like that

Shit was average on it’s best day.

U are a certified butt pirate:annoy:
Sonic Heroes was bombass

[TheDarkPhoenix]

I see what you’re saying. But I’m personally not referring to overblown non-gameplay related content (although I agree that’s an issue, but for another topic).

Sonic 2, even with a graphic update, was too short, too easy, and extremely repetitive. Now, Sonic 2 was a work of art, and was great for it’s time, but even with a face lift, it’s not a game that would fair in todays environment, or that I would want to repurchase at full price. Even without all the fancy bells and whistles, gaming has indeed progressed much beyond what was done in the 16-bit era.

I stated this earlier in the thread. As much as “us” old school gamers want a 2nd sonic running at break neck speeds. We have been conditioned to the point where its not going to be enough.

7 stages of sonic running forwards for 59.99 is not going to cut it nowadays especially on systems like xbox360 and ps3 with HDTV and things. Sure it’d be awesome to have a hi res 2d sonic. But after a couple stages you’d be bored and so would I. Most likely because it’d be way to easy and you could save everywhere and anywhere. (A must in all games nowadays)

Sure you might have paid 59 bucks for sonic back in the day. ( i remember NES games costing up to 70 and 80) but those games keep you entertained for atleast a month back then because of the difficultly.

Whats sad is sonic just couldn’t transition itself to the 3d world properly. If the creator behind Mario also did sonic I could only image how much more of a “icon” sonic would be. I didn’t like Mario 64 at 1st because i’d like Mario running around in 3d compared to just left and right. But the game is brilliant.

Sonic adventure 1 is good… Just afterwards everything else goes to poo…or doesn’t come close to comparing to SA1

Everyone know Mario, almost everyone knows sonic.

For everyone who wants that old school feeling thats what the sonic advance games where for, of course alot of people didnt enjoy those. But they are great games and look amazing…

Nintendo DS and gba or for us old school heads… Looking for good old nostalgic memories or game play on next gen systems is a no no… you’ll pretty much be disappointed every time.

[Shade]

Fuck collections. I used to own the games, and now I have access to every old school game via roms. I refuse to buy collections, especially considering they release several per system every couple of years, with the same damn games.

And yea, you pretty much said what I’ve been trying to convey. I appreciate that.

[System_1]

Easy:

-Controls were pissy
-Sonic Team still refused to get rid of “find the oyster without killing yourself first” missions
-Cursed camera
-Stupid deaths (there were plenty of times where I just fell waaay short of some epic jump;
-Weak music
-Weak graphics
-Fairly uninspired levels (there were high points that are outnumbered by lows)
-and guess what? you get to play the exact same 12-14 (I don’t remember) levels with everyone just to get the full story (which sucks) and half of those levels look a lot like the other half.
-no chao (personal qualm of mine)
-shadow has a clone or something kind of stupid like that

Shit was average on it’s best day.

• Controls: As far as controls go, I will admit the game feels kinda odd on the x-box and ps2 versions, but the GC controller fits perfectly for it. Yes you slide around a little and such, but Sonic is supposed to be a speed demon; you can’t expect to stop on a dime. And with a little practice, you can make them do exactly what you want them too.
• Camera: There are a few places here and there where the camera goes all wonky, but it’s not like that’s constant. like 97% of the time it’s perfectly fine.
• Deaths: Like DeathReaper said, suck less. I can go through the whole game without dying once.
• Music: It may not have as good a soundtrack as OG Sonic or SA1, but there are still plenty of decent tunes in here. The final level in particular just rocked.
• Graphics: WTF?! Looks exactly like I’d expect a Sonic game too. The “realism” look of SA1/2 sucked and was nothing like OG Sonic, I’m glad SEGA moved back to the glossy/cartoony look.
• Levels: Level design is bomb. End story. Okay, okay, the “chased by X” sequences suck.
• Side Stories: Don’t play the other characters if you hate them that much. Problem solved. Personally, I loved seeing the huge roster of Sonic characters all getting some love. If they just could’ve worked Nack and Mighty in too somehow…
• Chao: I don’t want virtual pets in my platforming games personally. Oh well, I suppose it doesn’t hurt to have it there if other people like it.

[FurryCurry]

• Controls: As far as controls go, I will admit the game feels kinda odd on the x-box and ps2 versions, but the GC controller fits perfectly for it. Yes you slide around a little and such, but Sonic is supposed to be a speed demon; you can’t expect to stop on a dime. And with a little practice, you can make them do exactly what you want them too.

Response: It’s still shitty though. I and I’m sure you as well, have played many a 3D platformer and 3D Sonics have really floaty controls. Sonic Team is full of stubborn employees. Or maybe it’s Sega. Someone is to blame. The controls could have been tighter. I hated shit like when Sonic would do his Homing attack and go spinning around the enemy. That’s beyond shitty. GC controller, PS2 Controller, or a damn fatty XBox controller, ST fucked it up. It’s not like the button configurations on them are any different. And they still can’t even get the controls down for sections of levels when you are running at high speeds (Making small adjustments to move over is a nightmare). Combine that with ‘cinematic’ camera positions and you get a fucking mess.

• Camera: There are a few places here and there where the camera goes all wonky, but it’s not like that’s constant. like 97% of the time it’s perfectly fine.

Response: Here, and there, and every fucking where. Camera only gets better because you know when it’s going to crap out on you.

• Deaths: Like DeathReaper said, suck less. I can go through the whole game without dying once.

Response: Well I’m glad you mastered shitty camera control. I’m sure that accounts for most deaths.

• Music: It may not have as good a soundtrack as OG Sonic or SA1, but there are still plenty of decent tunes in here. The final level in particular just rocked.

Response: I actually enjoyed the music in some spots. Nothing is as inspired as the S23K. That era had some great music for it. SA’s was good as well. After that, you can tell that they stopped caring.

• Graphics: WTF?! Looks exactly like I’d expect a Sonic game too. The “realism” look of SA1/2 sucked and was nothing like OG Sonic, I’m glad SEGA moved back to the glossy/cartoony look.

Response: Agreed. Though SA didn’t look that real to me. Less gloss though.

• Levels: Level design is bomb. End story. Okay, okay, the “chased by X” sequences suck.

Response: Yeah the level design minus the shitty camera rocked. And they were so long and huge. I was really impressed by how long acts were. Yeah and the getting chased sections were ass. I remember the one in the frog forest. Stupid camera.

• Side Stories: Don’t play the other characters if you hate them that much. Problem solved. Personally, I loved seeing the huge roster of Sonic characters all getting some love. If they just could’ve worked Nack and Mighty in too somehow…

Response: Poor Mighty is dead to the world. He was too much like Sonic anyway I guess. And Knuckles. But I miss him. Oh and yeah, Nack is so dope. A tragically underused character. The extra characters were fine but if they could have used that time to perfect the controls and camera then I would have preferred that.

• Chao: I don’t want virtual pets in my platforming games personally. Oh well, I suppose it doesn’t hurt to have it there if other people like it.

Response: Chao are dumb without the VMU. That’s the only reason why they exist anyway.

I put my response up above.

You guys should really play Sonic 2 for the GG. If only for the music. That boss theme is just so damn cool.

[Sonichuman]

New teaser trailer:

GameTrailers

All I can say is…what…in the hell…does sega have planned?!

[BBCampbell]

It was pretty good but Doomsday Zone can’t be ignored, the idea even carried over to other sonic games. Have you played Sonic 2 game gear bosses? They shit on everything, EVERYTHING! Not even Sonic 2 genesis bosses can top these fuckers :shake:

Part of the reason Sonic 2’s bosses were so hard though is that the control in that game sucks ass. It’s one thing if the bosses were just very difficult, but:

Shitty-ass controls + cheap boss patterns = fuck you Game Gear, you sit in the closet.