I think the best play would be to raise to 2500-3000. The thing is, you dont get enough value when hands (like KT) are SUPPOSED to fold. Remember with Aces, you want to encourage action. At 250/500 (assuming theres no antes), you are nowhere near in danger so theres no need to push.
The “He’s just gonna call 3000 and u go broke anyways” argument is ridiculous. For one thing, you are going to win this hand around 80% regardless of what hand calls you. Secondly, judging based on results isn’t optimal. The 3 spade flop doesnt happen very often, and 2/3’s of the time he’s not gonna connect to the flop.
There are a lot of hands that will call a preflop raise, and fold to a push. Unless the guy’s Screen Name was “DannyNguyen”, the play is stupid. And even IF it’s Danny Nguyen, you want him to call a preflop raise and let him catch up somewhat. But the chances that you get called when you go all in, is not enough to make it +EV.
And we already went over that his opponent could seriously be horrible, in this case he was, and pushing becomes right. He pushed and got called so its good. The average opponent this is the wrong move but lets just say he had a good read on opponents. He obviously knows the caller more than you guys do, so jumping on him immediately without any knowledge is rather uncalled for.
I busted day 1a IN THE MAIN EVENT. I didn’t get any playable hands for 12 hours then finally lost 77 to AKo for a 10k pot. I just saw rob’s bad beat he posted here and feel really bad lol. that’s a horrible way to go out =[
So wait…your fear is not that you won’t get good value, but that you will get called and lose?
The reason a huge raise with AA pre-flop is a bad idea is that everyone folds, not that some moron with KJ calls. You aren’t going to get many better chances to double up than AA vs. KJ.
I call with AA only. If the guy does that a lot then I loosen up, I might call with jacks or higher. But if I don’t have any read I’m calling only with AA.
I’ve called huge pre-flop all-ins with hands like 99 before, but that was only because I knew the person raising all-in was a jackass.
For some reason a lot of people seem to think that calling an all-in is a much better play than moving all-in. A guy will just call with A2, not raise, but will call an all-in with it! If I’m moving in for 100x the BB it’s because I have AA and am hoping my table is full of dumbasses.
i agree with what someone said about how sometimes it lures in calls of people with weaker hands who think they’re in a “coin flip”. i do this sometimes in the early stages of tournament and i’ve had some nice success usually getting called by people with AK who think they’re in a coin flip or that AK is unbeatable
i wouldn’t recommend it with anything but AA (cause most of the time you only get called if you’re beat)
but it could lure calls from KK/QQ/AK and sometimes even small pocket pairs
edit: nevermind margalis just said everything i wanted to say missed that post even tho it was the last one ha
here’s a good question:
first hand in a tournament you’re in BB with AK, SB pushes all in and shows 22 or a small pocket pair - do you call? what about if he shows QJ? i wouldn’t
Against QJ it’s really really hard to pass up a 65/35 spot. At least against 22, you are behind or at best 50/50. But QJ in 100% of tourneys I play it’s an instacall. The majority of players are NOT good enough to pass that good of an edge, even though they think they are.
No its both actually. #1 when you make a huge overbet like that you are giving up a lot of value in general, 2nd you’re only taking away information when you seek to get it all in. Yes a bad player should seek to get it all in anytime he can pf with AA, but when a good player gets it all in they give up their some of their edge because they cant play actual poker. Again this is talking about big overbet “4 limpers Ill push with 25+ BBs” type all in, obviously you want to put in every raise possible, but putting it all in as a big overbet loses you value in 2 ways and is a weak play.
If he showed 22 I would fold AK but I would call with JTs, I think AK you have to fold if you know its a small pp, your opponent has an edge in the hand and the pot is laying you nothing, easy fold. AK vs QJ, definite call, really no explanation needed, your edge certainly isnt huge but its not one you should really be passing up either. On the flipside if they showed AK would you call with 22? yes I would.
It’s not a weak play if there is a decent chance someone will call.
It’s like hitting someone with a low roundhouse over and over again. It’s not going to win you any awards but if a guy just refuses to low block then why not?
Poker is situational and if you are at a table where people will call AA all-ins with KJ you should take advantage of that.
I used to roll my eyes when I saw that sort of play, but when I watched I saw that it worked well. It might not be a good play at a table full of solid players, but at a lot of tables it is very high value.
Edit: Why would you call AK vs. 22? How is that even a question? You know you are an underdog, and on the first hand of the tourney your BB is not making any difference as far as pot odds and equity. The only reason to call there is if you know you are a lot weaker than most of the other players and a 47% chance to win is one of the better deals you are going to get.
Yeah I took that into account when I checked his placing. He’s actually around 17th in the day he played in, 35th out of all 4 days. You’re right about the 3000 players left (I made a mistake and was just looking at the one day).
I think the defending champ Hachem is still in the running as well.