Hah. I got AA in the SB with about 10k, 4 limpers ahead of me, 2 with big stacks, one has 40k. I raise all in, guy with 40k calls with KsTd. Flop comes 5s4s7s. Turn is a brick river is As.
good game indeed.
Why the hell would you push there? A push makes very little sense here, and as it was you could have got away without losing your stack if you just made a big raise instead of pushing. Im assuming your talking about the series, in which at this point 10k gives you lots of play still, certainly so that you dont make a move like this. The only thing I can really say about this hand is that he played it worse than you did, but not by a ton.
I hope you didnt do this at the WSOP or that this was a joke.
Am I reading something wrong or what. He had AA and got all his money in against a guy with KJ before the flop. Whats the problem with that?
100xBB or 50xBB raises are stupid stupid stupid plays, regardless of results. Should this really be explained why this is terrible?
iām confused - where did he say anything about blinds? all he said was he had 10k in chips i canāt find anything where he said anything about the blinds
if i missed it could you point it out for me thanks
Yah really.
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He got his money all in preflop. Donāt care how good you are 4:1 favorite at least with 10k stack is what you want.
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He didnāt say how big blinds were. If theyāre somethin like 500 I think this play is fine.
Edit: WTF people already pointed out what i said. And if the 40k guy who called 10k with KT isnāt a retard im guessing the blinds were high.
if he is indeed talking about the main event today you can tell how much are the blinds level if you consider the time he posted after he got bustedā¦
i guess thats what separate us from the pros. brunson was in a similar situation yesterday, but no all-in was involved. he got aces but lost to KK which made a flush
He could have been talking about yesterday.
Even if heās talking about the other day, they dont play higher than 200/400/50 on day 1, pushing there =! good, dont be results oriented saying its fine since he got called.
He could have loose image, couple limpers could be UTG or UTG+1, could have a read that someone has a strong hand, a bunch of things couldāve made him want to push all in. I think JJ+ and AK call an allin but not a large raise if blinds are really 200/400 ante 50.
Besides he got a call from a KTā¦that guy is a moron and OP might have known that and might have gotten a call. Besides 2700 free chips is nothing to scoff at when u have a 10k stack. Point is he was there you are not, when he gets AA allin preflop against KT and loses its more like tough luck than bad play. Heās out 10 grand give him a break.
Btw if he made a normal raise to 2k or more, with flop 457s and first to act, he goes broke anyway.
Pushing is weak. Unless he has less than 15 BBS, and even at 15 BBs itās weak. It just shows that you have no ability whatsoever to play postflop and that you are scared. And he most likely got in at a satellite anyways.
Pushing with those blinds even with limpers = -EV.
Pushing might not be the best play I agree but its not as bad as you guys make it seem. With his stack and the amount of limpers, he canāt play postflop anyway. He raises gets a caller the pot is gonna be 6-7k+ (assumin 200/400 blinds) heās pushing flop regardless. Nobody is going to call off anymore money on the flop unless they have a flush draw or you beat.
I like raising and checkraising all in on the flop but i think its real important that KTo called him. It means heās a lunatic and OP might have recognized it, thus making pushing a good play.
CHIP. AND. A. CHAIR
PokerStars Game #5743342353: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/07/31 - 00:02:40 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (6650 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (6850 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts the ante 25
babyshark33: posts small blind 200
tb17: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [Jd Kd]
babyshark33: raises 6225 to 6625 and is all-in
tb17: calls 6225
*** FLOP *** [9h 3d 4d]
*** TURN *** [9h 3d 4d] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [9h 3d 4d 9c] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tb17: shows [Jd Kd] (three of a kind, Nines)
babyshark33: shows [Ah 5c] (three of a kind, Nines - Ace kicker)
babyshark33 collected 13300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13300 | Rake 0
Board [9h 3d 4d 9c 9s]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (button) (small blind) showed [Ah 5c] and won (13300) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 7: tb17 (big blind) showed [Jd Kd] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
PokerStars Game #5743348023: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/07/31 - 00:03:09 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (13300 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (200 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts small blind 175 and is all-in
babyshark33: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [5d 7h]
*** FLOP *** [2d 9h 8c]
tb17 said, ā6?ā
*** TURN *** [2d 9h 8c] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [2d 9h 8c 4c] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
babyshark33: shows [8d Ac] (a pair of Eights)
tb17: shows [5d 7h] (a straight, Five to Nine)
tb17 collected 400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 400 | Rake 0
Board [2d 9h 8c 4c 6s]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (big blind) showed [8d Ac] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 7: tb17 (button) (small blind) showed [5d 7h] and won (400) with a straight, Five to Nine
PokerStars Game #5743352552: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/07/31 - 00:03:31 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (13100 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (400 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts the ante 25
babyshark33: posts small blind 200
tb17: posts big blind 375 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [8d Jd]
babyshark33: calls 175
*** FLOP *** [Jh 7d Ad]
*** TURN *** [Jh 7d Ad] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 7d Ad 7h] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tb17: shows [8d Jd] (a flush, Ace high)
babyshark33: shows [Ac 9d] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
tb17 collected 800 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 800 | Rake 0
Board [Jh 7d Ad 7h 3d]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (button) (small blind) showed [Ac 9d] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 7: tb17 (big blind) showed [8d Jd] and won (800) with a flush, Ace high
PokerStars Game #5743357551: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/07/31 - 00:03:56 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (12700 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (800 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts small blind 200
babyshark33: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [7c 5s]
tb17: raises 375 to 775 and is all-in
babyshark33: calls 375
*** FLOP *** [2h 2d Js]
tb17 said, āso many acesā¦ā
*** TURN *** [2h 2d Js] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [2h 2d Js Th] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
babyshark33: shows [8c Ad] (a pair of Deuces)
tb17: shows [7c 5s] (two pair, Fives and Deuces)
tb17 collected 1600 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1600 | Rake 0
Board [2h 2d Js Th 5d]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (big blind) showed [8c Ad] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 7: tb17 (button) (small blind) showed [7c 5s] and won (1600) with two pair, Fives and Deuces
PokerStars Game #5743362849: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/07/31 - 00:04:22 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (11900 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (1600 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts the ante 25
babyshark33: posts small blind 200
tb17: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [As Kh]
babyshark33: raises 1600 to 2000
tb17: calls 1175 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [6s Jd 2h]
*** TURN *** [6s Jd 2h] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [6s Jd 2h Td] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tb17: shows [As Kh] (high card Ace)
babyshark33: shows [Ah 4d] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
tb17 collected 3200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3200 | Rake 0
Board [6s Jd 2h Td 9h]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (button) (small blind) showed [Ah 4d] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: tb17 (big blind) showed [As Kh] and won (3200) with high card Ace
PokerStars Game #5743368262: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/07/31 - 00:04:49 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (10300 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (3200 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts small blind 200
babyshark33: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [Ad 3s]
tb17: raises 2775 to 3175 and is all-in
babyshark33: calls 2775
*** FLOP *** [2c 4h As]
*** TURN *** [2c 4h As] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [2c 4h As 3h] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
babyshark33: shows [6h 7c] (a pair of Sixes)
tb17: shows [Ad 3s] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
tb17 collected 6400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6400 | Rake 0
Board [2c 4h As 3h 6c]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (big blind) showed [6h 7c] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 7: tb17 (button) (small blind) showed [Ad 3s] and won (6400) with two pair, Aces and Threes
PokerStars Game #5743374743: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/07/31 - 00:05:21 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (7100 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (6400 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts the ante 25
babyshark33: posts small blind 200
tb17: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [Qs 9h]
babyshark33: raises 6675 to 7075 and is all-in
tb17: folds
babyshark33 collected 850 from pot
babyshark33: doesnāt show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 5: babyshark33 (button) (small blind) collected (850)
Seat 7: tb17 (big blind) folded before Flop
PokerStars Game #5743377339: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/07/31 - 00:05:34 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (7525 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (5975 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts the ante 25
tb17: posts small blind 200
babyshark33: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [Jc Ts]
tb17: calls 200
babyshark33: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 9d Ks]
babyshark33: checks
tb17: checks
*** TURN *** [4h 9d Ks] [Qc]
babyshark33: bets 800
tb17: calls 800
*** RIVER *** [4h 9d Ks Qc] [6h]
babyshark33: bets 1200
tb17: raises 3550 to 4750 and is all-in
babyshark33: calls 3550
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tb17: shows [Jc Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)
babyshark33: shows [4d 9s] (two pair, Nines and Fours)
tb17 collected 11950 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11950 | Rake 0
Board [4h 9d Ks Qc 6h]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (big blind) showed [4d 9s] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours
Seat 7: tb17 (button) (small blind) showed [Jc Ts] and won (11950) with a straight, Nine to King
PokerStars Game #5743383864: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2006/07/31 - 00:06:06 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (1550 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (11950 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 50
tb17: posts the ante 50
babyshark33: posts small blind 300
tb17: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [4c Kh]
babyshark33: raises 900 to 1500 and is all-in
tb17: calls 900
*** FLOP *** [9d Ah 2s]
*** TURN *** [9d Ah 2s] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [9d Ah 2s 5s] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tb17: shows [4c Kh] (high card Ace)
babyshark33: shows [Ks 6d] (high card Ace - King+Nine+Seven+Six kicker)
babyshark33 collected 3100 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3100 | Rake 0
Board [9d Ah 2s 5s 7d]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (button) (small blind) showed [Ks 6d] and won (3100) with high card Ace
Seat 7: tb17 (big blind) showed [4c Kh] and lost with high card Ace
PokerStars Game #5743389418: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2006/07/31 - 00:06:34 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (3100 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (10400 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 50
tb17: posts the ante 50
tb17: posts small blind 300
babyshark33: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [4h Jd]
tb17: folds
babyshark33 collected 700 from pot
babyshark33: doesnāt show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Seat 5: babyshark33 (big blind) collected (700)
Seat 7: tb17 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
PokerStars Game #5743391384: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2006/07/31 - 00:06:44 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (3450 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (10050 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 50
tb17: posts the ante 50
babyshark33: posts small blind 300
tb17: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [7h 5c]
babyshark33: folds
tb17 collected 700 from pot
tb17: doesnāt show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Seat 5: babyshark33 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: tb17 (big blind) collected (700)
PokerStars Game #5743393285: Tournament #29064529, $105+$9 Holdāem No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2006/07/31 - 00:06:53 (ET)
Table ā29064529 1ā 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 5: babyshark33 (3100 in chips)
Seat 7: tb17 (10400 in chips)
babyshark33: posts the ante 50
tb17: posts the ante 50
tb17: posts small blind 300
babyshark33: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [Jh 7d]
tb17: raises 9750 to 10350 and is all-in
babyshark33: calls 2450 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Kc As Td]
*** TURN *** [Kc As Td] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [Kc As Td 6h] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
babyshark33: shows [2s Kh] (a pair of Kings)
tb17: shows [Jh 7d] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
tb17 collected 6200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6200 | Rake 0
Board [Kc As Td 6h Qh]
Seat 5: babyshark33 (big blind) showed [2s Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: tb17 (button) (small blind) showed [Jh 7d] and won (6200) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Thatās not quite true.
100BB raises or 50BB are generally dumb because nobody will call them unless they have AA, which means you donāt get any payoff for your good starting hand. Unless you are playing against idiots. Which he was - in which case it is a very high-value play.
Iāve seen that in PokerStars tourneys. The chip leader raises all-in for about 150xBB. Obviously he has AA. A guy calls - with A2.
If you are playing complete dumbasses who will call a giant raise with KJ then go for it. You have to win some pots and AA vs KJ is a pretty good place to do it.
Itās important to adjust to the skill level of your opponents. Itās not a āgood playā against good players, but itās a good play against scrubs.
Edit: This play works a lot. People are dumb. Everyone wants to get lucky and they donāt realize that calling all-in and going all-in are very different. If the play is +EV itās a good play, and against some tables it is not only +EV but very +EV. Poker is a situational game. On the 5th day of the series probably not so good. Day 1 - maybe not a bad idea. Depends on the table.
hmm outta curiousity especially in the low level games (nl 25 nl 50) whatās your calling range on a sudden 50-100BB allin?
It was 250-500 and big stack just got a straight rivered on him. I pushed all in for a call thinking he was on tilt and he was. He was playing loose passive, calling almost any preflop raise that might be made. Even if they all folded, the 2,500+ in the pot already is 1/4 of my stack more, and if they do call, I know Iām in the best position preflop. And it was just an online tourney.
At 200/400 your right its not THAT bad, I still think its weak play but its acceptable, any lower though and I do think its pretty bad. For example in this hand, if you see the flop of 3 spades without the As are you going broke on this hand? What if the flop comes KK6? The first day you dont need to commit all your chips pf with no raise in front with 10k.
EDIT: Online tourney is a completely different beast, I donāt mind that play at all esp with those blinds. Not to say I think its best though, but its certainly a different scenario than weāve been talking about.
if thats the case i guess its prolly an accident call more than anything~
oh yea and the 200 chip comeback above is crazy
Itās kindda weird though.
Say its 200/400 blinds pot is 2700 (4 limpers + BB, SB and 50 ante each) He makes a raise to 2kā¦I think 1500 is a bit dangerous. He gets KT dude to call so pot is now 6700. He has 10k so only 8k behind him. What do u do now? I think he bets 3-4k, crazy guys shoves and he has to call anyway. Or maybe he bets and guy folds. Dunno. Checking is too dangerous and any bet gets you committed, so its the same as pushing kind of.