So I’m looking to get in a couple matches, get re-acquainted with my Diamond pokemon before I get into HG/SS. Anybody down? I’ll give you my friendcode.
Just wondering, does is anyone else such a big Pokemon geek that they get up on Saturdays in order to catch the new episode? I get up at 6 A.M Central Time every Saturday.
I need to get back into battling.
Latias number one counter is Tar, most trainers will switch out Latias the moment she is faced with a Tyranitar and can still eat a stronger pursuit. The Gengar movesets now sport things like HP Fire, and Explosion as standard. Switching Weavile in (which is usually the case on stuff like Gengar) is risky in the current metagame, for the trainer will be thinking a steel type is coming and Weavile will still be Super Effected, KO’ed. Tar hates Focus Blast, but can still survive it from something like say Gengar (with proper EV vestment). Like I said there’s not much Weavile can do anymore, he still has the edge on Outraging Mence, Flygon, etc. but revenge killing is the only thing that welcomes him a slot on a team. The swords dance set means nothing to Scizor, Bullet Punching Metagross, and Life Orb’d Lucario. Bulky Gyarados can imtimadate and is netural to ice, Weavile then becomes setup fodder. Cressy failed to be the “Next Blissey” and got dropped to UU, that’s ANOTHER thing that Weavile pretty hated because people demanded hard hitting dark moves on her.
I dunno, if he’s still winning games that’s cool. But there’s no denying the fact that he’s fighting for slots now, there’s just better talent to choose from.
I use to, but couldn’t keep up with its horrible time slot. I mean 6 in the morning? Really? No thx, I’d rather stream the epds. somewhere.
And yes, you do.
Thinking of picking up one of these last game i played fully was oldschool Silver on the GB any suggestions? Also anyway to transfer those pokemon i got from that cart to a recent one?
have you guys been noticing a small increase of wishbliss? to me, wishbliss sucks. wish isn’t instant like softboiled is and i think that takes away a bit from it’s special stalling abilities.
You are underestimating the importantce of revenge killing for some teams. For some teams, a revenge killer is a wasted slot. For others, it’s important. It entirely depends on your team. Again, they’re completely different pokemon that should be used differently. Tyranitar and Weavile should not be compared.
When you use Pokemon like machamp or other pokemon that depend on fighting STABs, being able to revenge kill ghosts and psychics is very valuable. If your team doesn’t mind ghosts, then of course you don’t need Weavile. If your team doesn’t mind outragers, of course you don’t need Weavile. The team I use Weavile on has no steels (to resist outrage) and is reliant on fighting attacks… so no, Tyranitar would not be a better option in that case. So that’s all I’m saying. Respect them as different pokemon, there’s no reason to make a comparison just because they share a type and a move
And I only mentioned swords dance as a late game sweep option, after Weavile’s counters have already been removed. Of course trying to swords dance when things like healthy Gyarados, Scizor, or Skarmory are in the picture is futile. Weavile’s the type of pokemon you should only set up with full knowledge of their team.
For her own walling purposes, yeah, but Wish is a different move in that it can be used to heal her teammates. So people using Wish most likely have other walls on their team that compliment Blissey (usually by countering her counters) that benefit from having Wish used on them for safer switch ins or healing. Whether wish or soft boiled is better depends on the rest of your team
As far as? And nope, G2 is not compatible with G3 and 4.
WishBliss is become more and more the standard set for blissey. It focuses more on team support with her already dominating ability to block all sp. atkers, for that’s what’s she’s generally used for. A combination of wish and softbolied can be used along something like toxic, toss, or ice beam. I’d say it’s effective, though I like Aromatherapy more.
But that’s why I question why use Weavile in the first place. Certain teams do need certain needs but at the end of the day people aren’t gonna favor Weavile over something like say Scizor for example. There have been times I’m sure where Weavile really did look like “that fit” on people’s teams, yet people went with Scizor or Rotom just to counter an opposing Scizor. Although Tar and Weavile are quite the opposite upon glance, certain movesets suggest otherwise. Pursuit Weavile is basically Pursuit Tar, both are likely CB for more power. Pursuit is move that doesn’t rely on high speed but an intimidating factor to make the opponent switch out, however, with Tar’s higher base and factoring the same STAB bonuses it makes more sense to go with him. We can mention other pursuits for example but more than likely they do not have the atk base Tar/Weavile have, and should they do cannot take advantage of STAB.
Weavile against the opposing trainers late game sweeper is a mind bender. On one hand, Dragons are gg. Starmie is gg. Gengar is (usually) gg. We have to factor just what is getting used as a late game sweeper nowadays in the OU environment, in the likes of Infernape/Gyarados/Metagross/Scizor/Lucario/Kingdra all of which Weavile have a hard time against. S/R on both sides are generally up, lowering Weavile survivability to anything and negates the sash. There’s a lot of stuff we CAN say because the metagame is just that random, for example CS Gengar will KO an opposing Weavile. Metagross can decide to sacrifice his entire HP to explode on Machamp, I’ve seen it happen.
Of course Weavile has bad matchups, I could say the same of any pokemon. Some of those bad fights happen to be really common, but then again lots of his good fights are really common as well.
The pokemon youre talking about that block Weavile just don’t scare the rest of my team. They’re a non issue, and ih ave good switch ins to all of them. So I could care less if Weavile can kill them or not…
no, I still don’t think Tyranitar and Weavile should be compared. Like you said, Tyranitar’s Pursuit relies on intimidation factor. “Will I pursuit you, or attack you?” I try to avoid guessing games. Weavile’s pursuit is entirely different. It relies less on guessing, and more on finding openings for GUARANTEED kills on weakened opponents. Weavile revenge kills in a similar manner to Dugtrio, without being forced to use a choice band to have meaningful power. and no, i don’t use band, I think a choiced pursuit is too risky for many teams, no matter what pokemon is using it.
“Why use Weavile in the first place?” There’s not another pokemon I know of that can make sure I get to kill Starmie, Gengar, Alakazam, weakened Rotom and Latias, a Dragon Danced or choice band outrage salamence, etc. while taking up only one slot on my team
That’s a lot of pokemon with different types of abilities and factors to simply say “none of them scare me” but I’ll take your word for it, rofl. Getting favorable matchups or just simply “countering” well only result to who had the best favorable matchups in the battle. Not every infernape is mixed, not every Gyarados is DDset, etc.
Well, ok I’ll let you win that arguement to. Granted Tyranitar has equal success against most of the pokemon you listed, Weavile can get to them quicker and take them down.
Spiritomb? :bgrin:
there are such things as absolute counters for many of those pokemon, and i happen to run them frequently. do you think slowbro cares what set gyarados is running?
i’m the same way. i frequently run sure-fire counters for those common OU pokes. i try to construct a team that has great synergy, while also being counters to the latias, scizors, t-tars, etc etc.
I got nothing better to do at the moment, so if anyone wants to battle, let me know. My codes are in the original post.
I’m always looking for a new challenge.
porygon 2 rapes gyarados in the eye.
Yes he does, opposing gyarados can taunt slowbro preventing him from crippling the opponents ability to sweep. Without HP Electric there is not much Slowbro can do to Gyarados and becomes setup fodder, forcing a switch out. Most trainers do not have/prefer HP Electric on their Slowbro because Ice Beam generally is the better attacking option, Slowbro is also UU meaning he probably won’t be seeing Gyarados in the games he’s in.
i like suicune and vaporeon as counters over slowbro in OU.
vaporeon is probably a better option cause of water absorb but suicune’s massive defense can probably tank a resisted waterfall and neutral earthquake from +1 DD gyarados and k.o that fool with hp electric. can’t go wrong with either one really though.
what happened to empoleon in OU? i used to see that penguin a lot. now i don’t see it at all.
Sorry, but I use slowbro on so many of my teams, and use him to counter Gyarados every time… taunt, life orb all out offensive, whatever. I don’t use HP electric. and i dont need to cripple him, I just kill him with psychic*… you’re just telling lies now
*: I’m talking about hundreds of real game expereince, from using Slowbro, against Gyarados, who’s one of the most common pokemon in OU and very easy to get experience against. Your theory can’t match up to my experience using the pokemon… the only moveset that can potentially give slowbro some trouble is life orb with bite, which is extremely rare (only seen it used once) and even then he needs a flinch… other than that, pray for a critical hit…
P.S. I do see many people TRY to set up on me, but it always ends with their Gyarados dead
slowbro is a monster in OU, there are a LOT of stuff that CANNOT appreciably damage slowbro, which means he gets a free calm minds and even MORE stuff can’t hurt him.
The nice thing about slowbro and suicune is that they can set up on switches and become a real threat to the opponents team while still being awesome walls.
I didn’t forget Psychic, normally people don’t run Psychic on there Slowbro because it doesn’t have the coverage Ice Beam does. And if they do it’s not like Gyarados has low special defense, matter fact I think it’s tied at a base of 100 with Slowbro’s own Sp. ATK, so in that regard it’ll still take a good amount of Psychics to down a Gyarados. I’m NOT saying Gyarados is SUPPOSE to win that matchup, even after X2 DD I don’t think he can KO Slowbro with EQ or SE.
What I’m saying is that with good prediction it’s possible for Gyarados to get the jump over Slowbro, forcing a switchout. That’s with any pokemon, actually. Usually, it’s Slowbro coming in on opposing Gyarados, not the other way around. Gyarados can taunt, DD, or subs on incoming Slowbro for example. Upon Switch ins from Slowbro Gyarados can setup another DD, taunt, etc. - after X3 DD Gyarados is pretty much unstoppable, fact. Only certain counters can deal with it at that measure and I don’t really think Slowbro’s it.
It’s not theory, I battle just about everyday on competitive pokemon sites 
I’ve seen all there is to tell pretty much. About Slowbro being UU was me saying that certain people prefer to play at that level, which would result to the bannation of any Gyarados for his OU status. I have a Slowbro of my own, two in fact. One with HP Electric and the other just a bulky defensive wall. I’m fully aware of Slowbro’s capabilities and weaknesses, I do not like Slowbro in OU much because he must really be put in the right situation in order to be effective now. Do you think Slowbro likes being hit from a Life Orb’d Outraging Meance/Kingdra/Flygon/Dragonite? U-turned CB Scizor? Thundering Jirachi? Exploding Forretress? Crunch Orb’d Lucario w/SD? Plotting Togekiss? X-S Ninjask? HP Grass Heatran? Megahorn Heracross? Gengar in general? Seed Bombing Breloom? I can go on but I think you get my point or should.
Ok, it’s not theory? so you’re saying that all of the times i took down gyarados’s (has to be over 100) whether they taunted, dragon danced, whatever in actual games were through magic? I don’t think you’re understanding what happens, Psychic takes a few psychics to kill gyarados after stealth rock damage, if he has life orb which many do he dies faster. IF he does not have life orb, then he won’t put anything more than a dent in slowbro, even with 3 dragon dances.
And i don’t think you know much about Bold slowbro, he doesn’t mind a life orbed outrage from those pokemon you named. He can even slack off until the confusion starts. I mean flygon? Hahaha that’s a good one. Scizor choice band u turn does abot 70%, most of which can be slacked off (worth it if slowbro is already set up with calm mind), or is very predictably switched out on. Exploding foretress can’t kill him. Lucario swords dance crunch is a 2HKO. Seed bomb breloom is a 2HKO or even a 3HKO depending on the breloom. Megahorn heracross is a 2HKO unless guts is activated AND he has a CB. X scissors ninjask? Ok now youre really making me laugh.
But all that in the paragraph above is entierly besides the point. Of course Slowbro can be killed. If you couldn’t conceivably come up with anything that can kill him ( I can do that for any pokemon) than he’d be banned evne from ubers. My only point was that I DO have safe switch ins to the pokemon you named as reasons Weavile is a poor choice. Weavile isn’t a universally strong choice for most teams, but he still has a niche to fill.