The OFFICIAL Pokemon thread ver 2.5

Bullet Punch is 60 not 80 with Technician. :wink: Like you, I’ve been thinking of taking advantage of Bullet Punch and putting this thing on my team more often.

This morning when it was announced that some Pokemon learnsets have increased, I kept telling myself “They’re not going to forget Flareon this time!” I guess I was kinda right. :bluu: Even all those bugs got Bug Bite.

Updated Elite 4

[details=Spoiler]-Aaron (Bug): Lv49 Yanmega, Lv49 Scizor, Lv50 Vespiquen, Lv51 Heracross, Lv53 Drapion
-Bertha (Ground): Lv50 Whiscash, Lv53 Gliscor, Lv52 Hippowndon, Lv52 Golem, Lv55 Rhyperior
-Flint (Fire): Lv52 Houndoom, Lv55 Flareon, Lv53 Rapidash, Lv55 Infernape, Lv57 Magmortar
-Lucian (Psychic): Lv53 Mr. Mime, Lv54 Espeon, Lv54 Bronzong, Lv56 Alakazam, Lv59 Gallade
-Cynthia: Lv58 Spiritomb, Lv58 Roserade, Lv60 Togekiss, Lv60 Lucario, Lv58 Milotic, Lv62 Garchomp[/details]

That’s what I’m having my eye on, esp. since it’s my favorite Pokemon.:cool: Victreebell getting Leaf Blade is a real improvement for it.

Honorable Mentions: Power Swap Espeon/ Guard Swap Umbreon/

Barrier Glaceon/ Revenge Regigigas might be good too for lower tier battles/

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I just checked Smogon and they list Aerodactyl as UU, how is that possible?**:confused:

Funny how Gamefreak thought that putting Feint***** and Bug Bite on everything would benefit the game, as if Protect and Berries are the major worries of this gen.

*****Feint on certain pokemon like Yanmega and Scizor might prove to be effective.

YES! curse on ONIX!? WHOO CURSE STEELIX RETURNS! :woot: (crap now I’ll have to make new pkmn again :bluu: )

also bullet punch technician scizor sounds hot. (add in swords dance and OUCH!)

It was added about 2 months ago, along with Venusaur, Weezing, Articuno…and I think one or two more. Certainly shook the tier up quite a bit when they were first introduced…

And the UU tier’s gonna be shaken up even more soon, since every single BL pokemon is gonna be tested there all at once. Only on the Smogon server, though.

Speaking of Smogon, the Garchomp vote began today. Looks like it’s gonna be banned to Ubers.

I’ve been dreading this day for awhile. :shake: Well I guess I’ll be using Flygon/Salamence in it’s place.

Bullet punch is less awesome than it seems due to steel having shitty coverage, still awesome though.

And sad day on the garchomp, but it is always depressing when you 2 ice beams miss and you then get swept.

BL in UU is dumb as hell as well.

60? Bullet Punch only has like what 40 base power. Technician I think doubles your base power, if it’s below 60 or lower. Even with the shitty coverage, it’s still an improvement over Quick Attack (that isn’t a STAB and can’t hit a ghost type)

Next thing you know S/R will get banned. Seriously if people can’t counter Garchomp by now they should probably stay in-game instead of competitively. However, I do admit the Sand Veil ability is pretty crazy at times. And let’s say they banned S/R (which was a topic on there a while back), what’s gonna stop Gyarados and Salamence from fucking up rosters more? In the uber metagame Garchomp wouldn’t stand a chance, he’s royally screwed.

Everyone knows Aerodactyl should not be listed under UU. But whenever the pokemons usage drops, smogon gives them the boot on down. I wouldn’t sell it entirely on usage anyway, more like effectiveness and usefulness.

I think technician does 1.5 not double.

I have a new FC (old ones are long gone) if anyone feels like whooping my ass let me know.

4339 5050 6949

I remember somebody had an Amp moveset that I tested like Payback, Brick Break, U-turn, Fake Out. The gimmick was something about 100 base power payback, even if you went first. So, all this time I was fooled? :mad: goddamnit.

Guess I better go with the last resort one now. I always though it something strange that Payback couldn’t dent fucking Cressy all that well.

fuck that…another reason to hate on smogon. bah guess my bowser will have to be sidelined from mow on…no matter since I have alternatives :wgrin:

Garchomp is uber :party:

Hmm looking over the new stats for the forms…oh man…now weavile will HAVE to run Ice Shards as Sky shaymin base Speed is 127! hmm not surprising, it’s Defs are down now.

Could’ve told you that months ago. lol

Sky Shaymin won’t be around for long either. If it didn’t have Serene Grace it would just be overpowered but with the trait it’s blatantly broken. I mean sure a test is in order, but common sense and past experience already gave me the answer.

And according to that smogon link posted earlier Sky Shaymin turns into it’s land form as soon as it enters the union room (at least for now).

I’m still holding out for some new spinners, but based on GF’s actions it seems doubtful now.

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And I ask again, why is Aerodactyl currently UU?**

… Did the anime ever get good again?

Pokemon Tiers are based primarily on usage not their ability to compete (though it’s obviously a major factor too). Put simply people just aren’t using Aerodactyl as much.

That reminds me, why doesn’t Rock resist itself? e.g. Aerodactyl’s losing 25% HP if it switches into Stealth Rock. :shake:

Lol now it’s fucked for life (or until it goes back to OU). Good luck stopping Deoxys-A or Palika.

The showdown between Lucario and Floatozel is worth watching, other than that nope lol. Team Rocket doesn’t cut it anymore, and the pokemon contest are time wasters still.

No idea, another flaw gamefreak needs looking into.

rock types resisting itself? never thought about that…maybe when pokemon titanium comes out?

There’s other shit in the game that doesn’t make sense to me. Glaciers own Rocks in real life, yet rock > ice in game and ice only does neutral damage to rock. :looney:

I know the tiering is pseudo-based on usage but I thought even with Stealth Rock that Aerodactyl would fill a niche with it’s typing and speed.

I’ve always wondered why the useless Poison isn’t Super Effective against Water or why Ice has no resists minus itself. I mean could you imagine how amazing it would be if Ice resisted Water and **DRAGON **types!:wow:

^ poison should be SE against normal and ice should resist water imo