If you only see Modest Scarfers, then what should I do about both Hera and PZ, I think I 'm just going to keep it as Timid Nasty Plot.
Give Hera a flame orb for guts boost, maybe set up a baton passer to get it’s speed advantages up. If you wanna run the CS Hera set then that’s fine, just make sure you can get in PZ before SR is set…because there’s still a handful OU pokemon that can outpeed it even if it’s timid.
Also you have to be aware of things that can quick attack you, or KO you by SS.
Isn’t Hera kinda slow for that? And I don’t have anyone to pass him any speed, or could I run Jolly on that set, and Specs Porygon-Z?
:edit: With Hera, should I save him for a late game sweeper or something?
I’m not a real big fan of running two choice combinations in one group, that’s why I mentioned the guts boost. It COULD work late-game against some things, but don’t expect nothing spectacular early on especially once the orb is activated. The opponent will save something that’s faster and exploit Hera’s weakness or mediocre defense.
I’d prefer adamant, since hera will hit exceptionally hard with a guts boosted stab (that being the case). I’d just stick with Timid PZ and FS. There’s more things that can mess you up, but at least this will give better advantages for Hera either to work with a Choice Band or Scarf.
Ok, I’ll just Pokesav up a new Hera and a Forry tomorrow, I also REALLY hate having too many choice items.
ahh, I wasn’t really sure how fast gyara would be after a DD. I figured Hera would be the only chance with a stone edge, though I guess I was thinking more along the lines of a choice band hera not scarf. and I wasn’t sure which was greater empoleon’s defense or gyara’s attack with super effective… this game has a ton of aspects going on. I love it.
I actually have a flame orb hera that I wanted to try out. I was reading how absurd it’s attack after a swords dance(supposed to be something like 1000+ after 1 dance)… and then you also get facade along with it’s STAB moves…
I think it gets somewhere around 340/360 after one DD. Hera with a good EV spread CS can get around 400 or better. I think Emp can survive an unstabed EQ, but I dunno after a DD. It’ll be hella close…
Haha somebody tried that on me about a week ago. Without the swords dance, its atk. is still pretty insane. 
Time to sound off here. I was the one who used Flame Orb Heracross against Travis. After the Guts Boost and Swords Dance, it’s attack becomes 1149 with an Adamant nature.
I was, and still am sick of seeing CS Heracross. Actually about 99% of the ones I’ve battled were Choice Scarfed; the ones that weren’t were Choice Banded.
I had a feeling it was you but I couldn’t remember for the life of me. :lol:
You used Facade on me with guts on, so either way I was expecting a KO since guts doubles the atk power and Facade is now around 120/140 base power. The moveset CS Hera is extremely popular in the meta, so I was quite surprised myself when I didn’t see your Hera Scarfed.
Meh, maybe I could surprise someone and get a free Swords Dance in with this set. =)
You could on something like a switch prediction, the problem is that a counter is usually sent in to scare hera away.
this is why I’m experimenting with other pkmn and thinking up movesets people haven’t really seen. I just don’t always want to predict the same setups on OU pkmn cause then it becomes really easy to switch to counters.
Guru - props to you thinking of alternatives. maybe I’ll begin making alts of my pkmn to keep everyne guessing…boy that can take a while.
It only worked on one of my pokemon, and that was because I didn’t want my counter being atked upon a switch in. At that point I already had SR up, so it also hindered his Ninjask switching and Zapdos stalling. I don’t remember exactly but I think his hera fainted by a burn lol.
Dang, the first time I pulled out Flail-Dos, it had a lot of people going all, wtf is that thing doing.
haha well I put 2 and together when I saw you pass S dance and Speed to it…(the fact that lefties recovery wasn’t there I KNEW you had to have a berry…wasn’t sure which berry though)
that and at the same time…you weren’t expecting my Lockjaw to survive and roar you out thus ruining your sweep. Kracken then came in to knock off your berry which pretty much stopped any threats it had since waterfall wouldn’t even 2-3HKO Kraken.
I remember the first time I pulled it out here, I switch into a earthquake for Infernape, I sub as they switch, DD, they break sub, DD, then wait until the berry activates.
I’ve been using this thing for like, a few months now, so this thing is nothing new.
as I rewatch the vid…still wonder…how did you DD up, Swords Dance and hit me with a STAB waterfall and did not KO lockjaw!? granted…I have a plus nature max HP and Def…I wasn’t expecting that. if you want to go again with another team I’d like to try a team I built and tested on Gfaqs…(though not now…later on)
I remember that fight. I thought it was nuts how you survived with like 6hp or something like that after all that boosting…haha
well you know now my pkmn runs max DEF and HP…I began to wonder what the IVS and EVs were of his flaildos…
Maxed EV’s in attack, and pretty high IV’s
Maxed HP and DEF are standard on Hippow. =l