Wait, people still use this argument for her? Lol, Ragna and Carl would like to have a say on that argument.
Granted, my main issue is with how retarded the Nu vs Tager match up is. Arakune is subject to the same issue.
[media=youtube]_0KgQbxKefs"[/media], at all. It’s boring as fuck and I can’t even imagine having to play that match up. If people saw shit like that at EVO, it’d easily be another EVO SCIV moment, where the crowd booed the living shit out of Hilde for ROing and cheered whenever she lost.
Jin and Ragna can certainly compete at high level with their relatively easy combos. But again, combos mean nothing if you don’t have the right gameplay mind. You could sit in the lab all day training combos (even if they were mad easy) and in a real match, whoops, can’t hit shit. So much for the combos. (hard or easy.)
Yes, she is lighter on the execution side, so is Sagat another recent resident top-tier. My only peeve is the big deal people are making this out to be. Crying cheap whenever they get the chance.
…but let’s get off Tager. Tager gets raped hard aganist all Top 3. That’s a Tager flaw. Also, we’ve all seen that video. Ribaia is an excellent player. Either way, that shit looks like Seth vs Gief just the same. Or Akuma vs anyone. Or Gat vs anyone. Mind you, this isn’t some subtle critcism against SFIV.
Ragna has more health and recovers with drive, obviously.
Yes, Carl has lowest health in game, I guess we can call Nirvana and the clap to compensate.
Nu has second worst, it’s an argument that can still stand, just like Akuma. At least she’s not Sagat with the 2nd/3rd highest health.
I keep saying relax because from the tone of most of your posts, it seems like you’re taking this discussion way too serious. It’s just speculation, nothing more. If I was wrong about this, I apologize.
Also, I was under the impression that both Ragna and Nu have the same hp. The only difference being one can’t zone you out/RTSD from across the screen. Also, his life regen outside of blood kain is negligible, at least that’s what I’ve noticed from fighting against him.
I still dont get the constant references to SF4. Yes Sagat is strong and yes people complain about him yes a lot of people make a big deal about him, What’s the point? I don’t see how someone being strong in another game has any effect on BB.
Is anyone here arguing that Seth vs Gief isn’t silly? Because it is. Granted, Seth actually has the lowest health in the game (unlike Nu) and Gief has more movement options than Tager (which is ironic considering Tager is in a game with more movement options). Akuma vs anyone =/= Nu/Arakune/Rachel vs Tager. As for Sagat, word of mouth was that even Capcom admitted he was stupid good. Wish I could find where I heard that though.
Given nu’s great keepaway game I think it would be fitting for her to have the lowest health in the game (akin to Seth). Give Carl second worst. Also, yes Sagat having the 2nd highest health is silly too.
Simply to make a point that top tiers exist in every game and there is no use crying about it. (Especially since a lot of characters get shutdown by Sagat in every way)
I don’t have a problem with speculation and possible changes, which should be made. It’s just a simple accumalation of irritation I’ve been getting from scrubs lately. Like come on, this is SRK. Why do we even have this “cheap” talk?
Yes, I agree that that tiers exist in every game but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive to make the game more balanced and to decrease the difference between those tiers. It’s easy to say tiers exist and no use in crying when you play Nu in BB or Sagat in SF4 but look at from the perspective of people who don’t play top tier. Is it wrong for people who main characters like Tager and Hakumen to ask for some changes?
I’ll be the dick who says it, v-13 isn’t just a top tier. She’s worse than SF4 Sagat or Accent Core Eddie/Testament. Her health is no big deal at all. She has 10000 life and Jin has 11000. Tager has 13000. She’s not SF4 Seth by any stretch. And she has the Sentinel flight thing going where she can backdash faster than almost everyone can move forward. You pretty much have to do a move (or be Rachel with wind) to not lose ground. All of her C-moves have good hitboxes so moving in on her from mid range is no easy feat. And there are a lot of little nuances that help. Her standing C auto tracking is annoying. I play Rachel, so if I jump her, I can actually 2C+D on her head, but for other characters, good luck. She has a small sprite and falls fast so I’ve had a handful of combos whiff. And, she can always make you block swords, then dash in a go for the throw with no penalty. If you’re asleep and she lands her throw, 3600 damage. If you tech the throw, great, you end up at perfect range to eat a standing D if you move. She’s pretty much ridiculous, up there with the original GGXX Eddie. So, she’s worse than Sagat and worse than Hilde.
A small edit: SBO might make me look retarded. I hope it does and I’m ready to admit it did.
I dunno about the real SBO, but so far a lot of the SBO quals have proved your point. If top 8 comes down to all Nu’s its going to be really lame. I think it was like 12 Nu’s who qualified at last count. It may not seem as much but in comparison to like 2 ragnas, 2 hakumens, and 1 tager (he must be a beast to make it), it’s a lot. Sure, the other top 2 have good representation in the quals as well but Nu still has the most qualified.
As an Arakune player, the only nerf I feel she needs is to remove the invincibility from her backdash. You have to work really hard and take a lot of risks to get your one shot at making her block and keeping her in place for a moment. Unfortunately, once you get past the sword wall, back dash becomes a one size fits all get out of jail free card. Just seems silly to me.
Her combo damage isn’t too bad, and if I can get 1 curse off its likely I’m going to win, but that just never happens when, via the invincible backdash, theres really no way to make her guess on what to do when I finally make it in.
You sure about that? I’m pretty sure Haku-men’s backdash has zero invincibility frames based on the fact that it’s the universal complaint among haku-men players. Could be wrong but I just checked again and it’s in almost everyone’s list of buffs haku-men should get. Also, I don’t think he said Nu is the only one with invincibility frames on backdash, I think he just meant that with all the options at her disposal, it’s one she can do without.
Yes Hakumen is the only character with 0f invincibility on backdash. He CAN cancel the LATER frames of the dash into his air specials, but it’s practically useless and doesn’t serve the purpose of a backdash at all
