The Official Collected Editions Thread (New & Improved!)

So i missioned to my comic shop in the middle of a snow storm in the hopes of buying Local but they were sold out (fuck). I picked up The Alcoholic and the first All Star Batman and Robin HC instead.

The Alcoholic was really good. It’s an over the top autobiography by Johnathan Ames about his struggles with booze, love, and life in general. If you’re into non-super hero comics check this one out for sure.

I don’t really know how to feel about All-Star. It was an enjoyable read no doubt but it didn’t feel like a batman comic at all. I couldn’t help feeling Miller went too over the top this time and kinda lost the essence of the character. What’s the general perception of this one? I really cant see too many hardcore Bats fans feeling it.

We serious TRADE, BABY fanatics are big supporters of My Chemical Romance.

AND YOU KNOW THIS… MAAAAAAAN

I think general perception is that it makes no fucking sense, and most Internet people hate it, but most real life people will buy it anyway because it’s Batman, Frank Miller, but mostly Jim Lee.

All I know is that I think the series could have been a lot funner (and funnier) if it had a different artist. Jim Lee’s style doesn’t really gel with the tone of the book.

Ah well if you enjoyed it good for you I guess, but I was totally turned off by the emo-ness :wasted:

Lee’s art is the best part of the book, but if Frank had at least shown what made Bruce become as sadistic as the evil he fights then MAYBE we’d like this Batman more, but other than that…it sadly sucks :frowning:

I got the new Ghost World hardcover that also includes the script book and a bunch of other extras. It is freakin sweet. Zephy do you have any suggestions for similar books to it/local/etc…? Dont say blankets.

The Ennis Punisher omnibus also arrived and that thing is a beaut. I sold off my trades on ebay as the last two arcs were never collected in OHC format (unlike the Daredevil by Bendis omnibus which I didnt buy because I already own all of the OHC’s).

I have a crapload of books to read…I’m a bit behind. Recent stuff I finished reading:

Dark Tower: Long Road Home - Pretty good, but still too reverent to the source material and Jae Lee doesnt really do it for me

World’s Finest deluxe edition - Best part of this was the Rude dude’s art. Gibbons script was pretty convoluted and weak I thought (i think it was his first writing attempt)

Iron Man: Dragon Seed Saga - this was a favorite from when I was a lot younger

The Boys vol. 3 - still going strong. 9/11 issue was especially brilliant

I decided to start collecting the Marvel Premiere Classics limited edition line. They all have numbered spines, the dj’s say how many copies they are limited to, and they usually have a bunch of good extras. Right now I’m only missing 3 of the 17 that are out so far. The ones I have read already are:

Spider-Man: Death of the Stacey’s MPC - Great stuff, especially the Gwen Stacey death arc. Still touching. People don’t die with dignity like this anymore…

Avengers/Defenders War MPC - Pretty good, old school-style crossover. The Defenders rule. Hawkeye is good in this, as is Hulk and Namor.

X-Men: God Loves… MPC - great art. somehow I had never read this before. Pretty good for Claremont. Ending a little unsatisfying, too simple

Hulk: The End MPC - reprints the one shot as well as Future Imperfect. Imperfect is great, with awesome George Perez art. The End was a bit of a disappointment, not as good as Punisher.

Stuff still in the to read pile include: Annihilation Conquest vol. 2 OHC, Gotham Central vol. 1 HC, the rest of the MPC’s, Walking Dead vol. 4 HC, Exterminators(!) vol. 5 :sad: , Cable Classics vol. 1, a new Punisher tpb reprinting an arc from War Zone, Incredible Herc: Secret Invasion, Marvel Boy phc, some Bob Layton Iron Man phc, a bunch of dark horse omniboo (aliens vol. 3, terminator vol. 2, barb wire, ghost, X vol. 2), Iron Man: War Machine tpb…others. Oh yeah, and about a gazillion comics on dvd from gitcorp (i love those things)

I’m up to the year 1969 with Spider-Man and really early in X-Men. I might pick up Hulk’s DVD-Rom down the line.

Why don’t you like Blankets, P.Gabby?

If you like Ghost World, then you should check out Clowes’ other works. My favorite is David Boring. I’ve also read some of his anthologies, and those are worth reading and buying as well. The one book of his that I didn’t like was Ice Haven - that was a little too damn pretentious, even for me. Or maybe I’m just not as pretentious as I thought I was. I wonder if goody’s read it.

Other alternative comics with a similar sensibility to Clowes’ work might be Adrian Tomine’s stuff. Start with Sleepwalk and Other Stories, and then Summer Blonde and Other Stories. His longform book is called Shortcomings, and that’s a favorite of Clinty and me. Also check out comics from this dude named Seth. My favorite of Seth’s is a book named Wimbledon Green. And how about Black Hole by Charles Burns? You ever read that?


Here’s some stuff I’ve read over the past week or so.

The Kents - It’s a western set in the past of the DC Universe. As you can infer from the title, it’s about Superman’s Pa’s ancestors taming the west. Although I didn’t think it was necessary to tie in this epic story to Superman, I understand that the writer (John Ostrander) probably HAD to do it because this was originally serialized by DC back in the '90s, and they needed a hook to boost sales. Despite its tenuous and superfluous connection to Superman’s heritage, this is a damn fine book. Art’s by Tim Truman and Tom Mandrake. It’s hella dense, too - each issue probably took me 15 minutes to read, and the TRADE, BABY collects the entire 12-issue maxi-series. This is possibly the best western genre comic I have ever read, and just an amazingly-produced comic. Ostrander’s a really underrated writer, and I think this could be one of his best works ever.

American Widow - This is a recent alternative/indie book that’s been garnering quite a bit of attention lately. It’s an autobiographical story about a woman who lost her husband when the towers were destroyed. The narrative is kind of a story about their love, her husband’s life, and what happened to her in the days, weeks, and months following his death. It gets pretty intense at times, but… Dammit, I don’t wanna intentionally sound like a jackass but there are parts of it that I thought were kind of repetitive to read. For example, the writer portrays the Red Cross and other aid workers and aid agencies in a very negative way. I’m not saying it didn’t happen that way, but as I was reading I couldn’t help but feel she was trying to make some sort of political statement or something. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me. You all should check this book out anyway. It’ll probably win some awards at the next Eisners or Harveys. The art is exceptional for an alternative comic.

The Last Defenders - I’m a Joe Casey whore. I don’t care if this book is a spin-off of Civil Initiative bullcrap. I never really got into the classic Defenders, despite Silver Surfer’s presence on the team back in the really old days. I think the writing style was just too old-school for me and I just never got motivated to get into that comic. The Last Defenders probably pays tribute to the legacy of the Defenders but it’s also got the staple Joe Casey subversiveness. I can never criticize the craft of a Joe Casey comic because he always knows how to do something interesting. The artwork is also impressive. It’s by Jim Muniz, and I thought his stuff on Marvel Knights 4 a few years ago was complete garbage. He has really improved a hell of a lot. I can’t even tell it’s the same guy! Now his style kind of reminds me of a cross between Ed McGuinness and Paco Medina. It’s got a very nice vibe with Casey’s story, which is sort of an atypical superhero team story that tries to trick you into thinking that’s your average, run-of-the-mill team book.

Crossing Midnight volumes 1-3 - Finally picked up volumes two and three a couple days ago, so I sat down, reread volume one, and read the final two books. It’s just such a shame this book was canceled. It does have an ending, and it is satisfying in many ways, but you can just tell that there’s more to told. Volume three feels more like the end of a key chapter or arc than it feels like the end of an entire saga. Even so, this is still my favorite Vertigo book of the late 00’s. There was nothing else like. It’s a unique take on Japanese folklore, family life, and relationships. Think of… Hellboy, but crossed over a bit with FAAAAAAAAABLES!!!1, Gaiman’s Neverwhere, and Japan.

Incredible Hulk: Dogs of War - This was the Paul Jenkins/Ron Garney run from the late '90s or early 2000s. The art was surprisingly excellent, and the story was mildly entertaining. Truthfully, I probably enjoyed it more than I should have because I found it for two bucks a used bookstore. That’s a good deal for a nine-issue TRADE, BABY in my opinion, especially if it’s written by Carpet Lint’s favorite author. The story was basically a psychological exploration of the Hulk’s different personalities followed by him beating the crap out of rogue government agents trying to take him out. So, typical Hulk, but entertaining, solidly crafted, and only two bucks.

Sentences: The Life and Times of MF Grimm - Finally got around to this one. I don’t really know Grimm’s music. All I know of his stuff is whatever he contributed on the King Geedorah album. (I’m more of an MF Doom guy.) I think someone else mentioned reading this a few pages back. This was a captivating read, and surprisingly well-constructed. The art really fit the style of the book and the story itself should be a good read regardless of whether or not the reader has ever heard of the guy.

Garage Band - This slice-of-life graphic novel about a group of friends forming a band is by the Italian creator Gipi, the dude who also made Notes from a War Story. Garage Band is a big less ambitious than Notes from a War Story, as one might surmise from the title. However, I think it’s also more coherent. The pacing is deft, but I thought the ending was abrupt. It truly feels like you just see a small part of the characters’ lives before it all just ends. The craftsmanship is top tier and it’s probably a good place to start if anyone’s looking to get into European graphic albums. (From what I understand, Gipi is a superstar in European comics.)

Few books I’ve been reading as of late:

Marvel Essentials Godzilla King of the Monsters - This collects the 2 years Marvel had the Godzilla license in the 70s, written by Doug Moench. Godzilla rampages through America and SHIELD agents Dum Dum Dugan and Gabriel Jones with an afro ha ha go after the green lizard. Hell aside from checking out a SHIELD comic, this is the most Dum Dum Dugan I’ve ever read about! Nick Fury appears early on but he isn’t really present throughout the rest of the series. Tony Stark is shown providing technology to take Godzilla down. Ah, there’s a fake Howard Hughes pilot in the story called “Hughes Howard” helping SHIELD out HA HA! Godzilla fights giant monsters a lot and Stark even created a MECHA to battle him called Red Ronin! Some of the ways SHIELD comes up with taking the monster down are BRILLIANT, I wish they would of employed that kind of thinking with the '85 movie… So I read the first year so far and they still haven’t gone Marvel cameo crazy which is saying a lot! But the Fantastic Four, Avengers and Spider-Man are said to show up in the book’s jacket, can’t wait!

Bat-Manga! The Secret History of Batman In Japan - This book came out a few weeks ago. These are some really old manga stories of Batman that ran in Shonen King with they imported the 60s Batman TV show to Japan. It’s done by Jiro Kuwata of 8-Man fame. Nothing ground breaking but the stories are fun! Batman battles Clayface, falls into the same chemical goo that gave Clayface his powers and what does he do? HE TURNS HIMSELF INTO A GIANT BATARANG! The effects wear off of course. Oh and he fights a guy named LORD DEATH MAN! Every time he fights him, Lord Death Man dies - but then he comes back from the grave after they bury him! His name is LORD DEATH MAN that’s all kinds of broken right there.

E.C. Segar’s Popeye The Complete series - I’m up to the third book which collects Popeye’s entire original comic strip run by Segar. Right off the bat I’m gonna say that if you only know Popeye from the cartoons than you don’t know the character at all. And that’s not to insult the cartoons, namely the Fleischer ones which were closest to Segar’s stories - but they serve more as a compliment to the strip and not a replacement by any means. The humor in the stories still holds up! Popeye is really a thug, I laughed my ass of when Olive kept insulting him and he punched her in the face because that was the only way he knew to shut her up! And yeah he was naturally strong, so there was no eating spinach really, used in a one time gag and that was it (of course the cartoon reverese-influenced the strip so he ate more of the green stuff). Bluto only appeared in one story ever in the third book, Popeye’s main villain was the Seahag. But as you know the cartoons decided to run with Bluto. The stories in the strips are hella long! Some of them run 6 months to close to a year! Which is shocking because nowadays strips are only allowed to carry a story 3 months long most of the time. Anyway, worth checking out!

Fuck yes. Finishing Black Hole was like finishing Sandman for me. I was glad to be done, but sad to know I would never be able to relive the experience of reading the book for the first time again.

Strait win eh. Check out his album Scars and Memories, it was one of my favourite albums of 2005 (probably Grimm’s best album too).

I’ll check out the Scars and Memories album one of these days.


The New York Four - Looking for something to out-Local Local? It’s another Brian Wood/Ryan Kelly collaboration for the sadly underrated Minx line. I loved this comic. It’s more compulsive, I think, than almost any other Brian Wood comic I’ve read in a long while. The story’s about family, friendship, sisterhood, and living in the Big Apple. Fantastic read. I’ve heard that Wood and Kelly plan sequels to this, but I guess they will have to find a new publisher now that Minx has been killed. It’s a shame because even though many Minx books were supposed to be aimed at a teen girl market, a lot of them were top quality works by highly respected creative teams. I don’t know what happened with their marketing scheme there. Anyway, you should all buy this book. It’s ten bucks for like a 130-some odd number of pages.

Nixon’s Pals - Another original graphic novel, this one is by Joe Casey and some new artist I’d never heard of before. The art is extremely impressive. The story’s about a dude who happens to be a bail bondsman… for supervillains. So the premise is kinda similar to Casey and Charlie Adlard’s classic Codeflesh, but with more balls-out superpowered action. Another fantastic read, and a fine example of this decade’s “Good Image” comic.

Yeah I read that, I got it from Chris Burnham the artist at the NY Comic Con earlier this year who signed my copy. Excellent book! BTW Burnham’s website -

Holy crap, Sano read an American comic that wasn’t by Marvel, DC, or Disney-related!!! Is it time to retire the thread?

LOL if someone stops to talk to me at a con most of the time I will buy whatever comic they are selling. I’ve sold things at cons before, joint is not fun. But if you sell one thing you did, you feel like Stephen King or somebody for a few seconds so it’s all good. :smile:

Aw, I know what you mean. That’s why sometimes I just try not to make eye contact with people selling stuff, because if I start talking to them I will probably end up buying their comic. That’s happened to me a few times, and I’ve bought some stuff that I wish I could’ve just saved my four or five bucks. Especially at the Alternative Press Expo, man, where all the underground dudes come out and hawk their wares… Some of that stuff is okay, but a lot of it’s just… What’s the way to describe it… Not exactly “completely terrible,” but more like “unreadable because the comic is the result of a dude who thought one funny frat joke could be the basis of an entire self-produced and unprofessional-looking ashcan.”

The other month, when I went to APE, I just avoided making eye contact with artists at their booths. I also saved a buncha money by switching to Geico.

On the upside, I only saw one cosplayer at APE, and I think that was because it was Halloween. I am not down with cosplay. At all. I’ve never enjoyed Halloween, either. That day is just an excuse for otherwise normal people to cosplay. And I am simply not down with cosplay. At all.

I agree, the majority of stuff I get at cons from underground artists is not worth mentioning. Nixon’s Pals was a huge exception.

So do you consider Nixon’s Pals an “underground” comic?

Probably not 'cuz of Joe Casey’s involvement. Chris was seated with the other underground guys at the con is all. The section behind Marvel / DC / Dark Horse / Image / IDW and so on.

Bought the following yesterday-
Mark Waid’s LoSH Vol. 1-3
Doom Patrol: The Magic Bus
Batgirl and the Outsiders Vol. 1:lovin:

Sano, do you think that to be an “underground” comic depends on the creator or the publisher? My copy of Nixon’s Pals is published by Image. I’m as big a Joe Casey whore as I’ve ever found and I don’t know of any of his works that haven’t been published by Marvel, DC, Dark Horse, or Image, except for a couple OGNs he did for AiT/PlanetLar.

It’s a funny question because in the arts with music and so on, no matter how ‘underground’ something starts out to be, if it gets any kind of props sooner or later the mainstream will get their hands on it, control it and give back to the audience under their label. Hip Hop music is the greatest example of the mainstream taking something over and dictating how it should be to the people who created it. I’m sure when Ghost World was written there was no intention of it being given back to the audience as a movie.

I guess a lot of the time for me underground is when friends of mine put out comics and sell them themselves. Or when your comic book store allows a section for people to make their own comics and sell them. For me it gets kind of blurry once things are up on Diamond’s site or gets an actual barcode.

I remember when Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles put underground comics on the map, before that time no one really cared about Marvel or DC. Once they hit the bigtime, made skillions of dollars etc. it became much more difficult to define for me what underground was exactly.

So I’m not trying to pigeonhole Nixon’s Pals into one genre or another and I apologize if I came off that way. I am probably the wrong person to ask this question since most of you know already, the vast majority of things I read are from the mainstream so me giving examples of underground comics (or what is considered underground today) will probably be an exercise in failure. To me Nixon’s Pals felt similar to the stuff I read whenever I hit that section of cons. I guess that’s kind of it.

For whatever the reason was, Nixon’s Pals was not being sold at Image’s booth that year. Oh and Chris Burnham’s working on X-Men Manifest Destiny now which is about as high profile as you can get.

Bottomline? Lady with nipples on her face for eyes and faces on her breasts = Good everyone go read Nixon’s Pal’s. :smile: