The Official Collected Editions Thread (New & Improved!)

No, that makes sense, man. Good examples with Ghost World and TMNT especially. I don’t even know what underground comics are nowadays. I guess I just imagine them to be self-produced, hand-stapled comics created by some dude who just likes making comics. Stuff like American Splendor, which probably was considered underground at one point, I don’t even know what to call now. Vertigo’s published the last few issues and there was a movie made of it. I guess that stuff, I just call alternative or indie… Gotta roll with the music terminology, baby.

I think our new mantra should be BARCODE = SELLOUT

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Stuff I’ve Read Lately

Nova volume 1: Annihilation - This is a pretty average superhero comic. The art is serviceable but doesn’t really stand out because the writing doesn’t really stand out. The whole Nova revamp has some nice potential but the execution was just all-too ordinary. The characterizations of a lot of characters are often shallow (for example, Nova’s dad is the stereotypical angry-father type who doesn’t have any faith in his own son but believes in the Thunderbolts). The quiet moments that aree probably supposed to be more profound come off as a little lackluster, too (like when Nova reunites with Justice and then Penance).

Speaking of the Thunderbolts, it’s kind of weak how they keep showing up in all these other books and constantly get undermined. Something similar happened to them when they encountered Moon Knight in his book. I know Nova’s hella powerful now, but the Thunderbolts didn’t even get any face-saving moments. The second half of this TPB, with the Conquest tie-in is also rather unimaginative, and I thought the art gets worse and even more exploitative (Gamora looks super slutty, in a typical '90s superhero comics style).

Coup D’etat - I reread this WildStorm crossover for the first time in a couple years. Of course, the fallout from this event has been rendered irrelevant two or three times over, what with DC’s messed up tendencies to constantly cancel and revamp WildStorm over and over. That’s okay, though, because I still think Coup D’etat was one of the higher tier company-wide crossovers, and it led to Brubaker’s awesome run on The Authority. There are a couple of instances where the characterizations are kind of lazy (particularly when the writers Micah Ian Wright and Robbie Morrison make the U.S. President a clone of George W. Bush - c’mon, that’s a little too easy!) but Brubaker’s Sleeper chapter and Joe Casey’s Wildcats Version 3.0 chapter are near perfection.

Casey’s chapter, in fact, is still one of my all-time favorite single issues ever. It just works on so many levels. It fits in with the company-themed, Authority-based event, but it also functions as a wonderful introduction into the world of the Wildcats, while offering insight into the differences between both the Authority and the Wildcats. Jack Marlowe (aka Spartan for all the ‘90s Image fans) has a remarkable conversation with the Authority that makes you go, "Is this Jack talking about the story or is this Joe Casey talking about real fuckin’ life?" And it works both ways! That’s incredible to me. I read this issue at least one or two times a year.

Last of the Independents - I think this is actually Matt Fraction’s first comics work. AiT/PlanetLar published it several years ago when he was still breaking in. Kieron Dwyer did the art, and the whole thing is presented horizontally. (By that, I mean the book must be read sideways.) It looks really, really nice. The story’s about three people who pull off a heist that doesn’t go wrong… Instead, it’s the aftermath of the heist where everything goes to hell. It’s fast-paced but the protagonists have just enough characterization that we care about them and root for them, while the primary antagonist has enough characterization that we wanna see him get his. The ending is kind of sad but also sort of uplifting. This is a highly polished graphic novel considering it’s someone’s first major comic.

The Invincible Iron Man: The Five Nightmares - Now for one of Fraction’s most recent works! I’m actually glad I decided to buy this as a Premiere Edition HC rather than wait for the paperback. This is now one of my favorite Iron Man stories of all time, right up there with Extremis and The Inevitable. The Five Nightmares just succeeds with Iron Man on every level. Fraction has completely nailed down Tony Stark’s character, and he introduces a threat that ties in to Iron Man’s history while clearly pointing to the future. And looking to the future is something that is crucial when it comes to Iron Man. The dialogue was top-notch, and the relationships between Stark and other characters (Pepper Potts, Maria Hill, even Thor and Spidey!) felt very well-developed. Another aspect about the story that really impressed me is how Fraction really embedded Iron Man into the fabric of the Marvel universe. You see how people all over the world react to him and how other heroes view him, and there are nice allusions to other corners of the Marvel universe (like Fraction’s own Iron Fist and Punisher).

This is exactly how an ongoing Iron Man series should feel. I was very bored of the the Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. series but now it’s great to see someone do Iron Man justice. Oh yeah, and Salvador Larocca’s art is just amazing in The Five Nightmares. True, there are a panels here and there that look kind of like Greg Land, but it never gets too cheesy, and all of the serious stuff looks really good, the action is crisp, the talking heads are lively and interesting, and the storytelling is dramatic. The colors are also amazing, what with all the electricity and energy and lasers and repulsor rays and stuff shooting out of Iron Man’s ass. I think this is the best new Marvel book I’ve read since, what, I don’t know… Probably The Immortal Iron Fist?

Are all darkhorse manga paperbacks those smallass pocket books?

FABLES!!!11!!!

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PRINCE CHARMING! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Now I have to wait till August for more. I will miss you James Jean.

After trying to start a comic collection 3 yrs ago and then stopping I have decided to get back into the game and to continue my collection.

I only buy TPBs but now prefer only collecting the oversized HC versions. However, I am really struggling to get hold of some titles mainly because I have been away from the scene for many years.

For example I am trying to get hold of New X-men HC (Grant Morrison Ultimate Collection) Volumes 2 and 3 but there doesnt appear to be any available at normal prices. There is also the omnibus version which I would prefer but again this is only being sold by private folks for high prices. Looks like I will have to settle for the softcover versions. Anyone know where I can source the HC versions either in the form of the Omnibus edition or just volumes 2 & 3?

I am also struggling to get hold of Streetfighter TPB volume 3 (Fighters Destiny). Does Udon have anymore of these anywhere?

Would also like to ask folks for their opinions on titles to collect. My main criteria apart from a good story is that it must have modern and excellent artwork. For example I have not added Watchmen or the Dark Knight comics to my collection despite their excellent reviews because of their old/poor artwork.

My current collection is:

Ultimate Spiderman (HC) volumes 1-9
Ultimate X-men (HC) volumes 1-8
Runaways (HC) volume 1-3
NYX (HC)
Supreme Power (HC) volumes 1-2
New X-men (Grant Morrison) (HC) volume 1
New Avengers (HC) volumes 1-2
Captain America Omnibus (HC)
Death of Captain America (Premier hardcover TPB) volumes 1-3
Fallen Son (Premier hardcover TPB)
Secret War (HC)
Ultimate Galactus Trilogy (HC)

Avengers Disaasembled (TPB)
House of M (TPB)
X-Men: The End (TPB) volumes 1-3
X-Men: The new age of apocolalypse (TPB)
Wolverine: Enemy of the state (TPB) volume 1-2
Wolverine Origins and Endings (TPB)
Origin (Wolverine) (TPB)
Wolverine: The End (TPB)
Cable and Deadpool (TPB) volumes 1-8
Ultimate Dardevil and Electra (TPB)
Ultimate Electra (TPB)
Marvel Team Up (TPB) volumes 1-3
The Ultimates (TPB) volumes 1-2
The Ultimates 2 (TPB) volumes 1-2
Squadron Supreme: The Pre wars (TPB)

Absolute Batman Hush (HC)
Absolute Batman The Long Halloween (HC)
Batman under the hood (TPB) volumes 1-2
Batman/Superman (TPB) volumes 1-3
Supergirl (TPB) volume 1
Birds of prey
Tomb Raider Compendium

King of Fighters (TPB) volumes 1-5
SVC Chaos; SNK vs Streetfighter volumes 1-8
Streetfighter (Udon TPB) volumes 1,2 and 4
Darkstalkers (Udon TPB) volume 1

Tribute to Streetfighter
Streetfighter Eternal Challenge
King of Fighters Artbook

Please note that artwork is very important for me.

Titles I am considering are:

Wolverine Origins
Allstar Batman and Robin
Civil War (if it becomes available as a large complete Omnibus edition)
Ultimate Iron Man

Tiltes I would like to source are:

Darkstalkers Graphic File
Udons artwork of Capcom
Streetfighter Ultimate Edition (Udon)

Any thoughts or recommendations for other must have comics?

Thanks

Personally I don’t mind Wolverine Origins much, it has it’s highs and lows. Well, a lot more lows than highs. You are better off skipping it. It will end in 2009 also. Wolverine had a son with a Japanese woman a long time ago that he thought was killed and that kid is named Daken who will be joining Dark Avengers, that’s all you need to know about Wolverine Origins. Oh and Condoleeza Rice was murdered really early on in the series so if you hate her, then hey she’s dead in Marvel, killed by Warwolves. :lol:

All Star Batman And Robin… I like it but that book it is not for everybody. Hmm, it’s like Batman stopped aging at 8 mentally after his parents died, and he acts that way. LOL pretend an SRKer, the way they act online (and not how they act in real life… I HOPE…) became Batman one day. Um, his catch phrase is “I’M THE GODDAMN BATMAN!” so yeah… Ah, on the plus side how Robin became Robin is much more contemporary / realistic in this book. I can see them using a version of that story in a movie. Well you say you like artwork so it’s done by Jim Lee, no worries. The artwork doesn’t really match the story (would be better if Frank Miller drew it) but it looks nice.

Civil War, you can just read the main series. It probably won’t get an omnibus for a long time. I don’t think what happens in the other books is incredibly important, you will get a full story with 7 issues. If you like the story, look for Civil War Captain America and Civil War Spider-Man. Those 2 are the most important back ups. Everything else, just get the series you like.

I read Green Lantern: Secret Origin. Definitely my favorite Johns GL arc so far

also wow, Thy Kingdom Come vol. 2 was awesome! I re-read Part 1 before starting on it and got through them both in one sitting. I definitely didnt see the thing with Lance coming.

finished Walking Dead vol. 4 hardcover…holy fucking shit

Anyone here read the TPB of Alan Moore’s WildCATs run? I found it for $40-ish dollars at Borders.
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I personally loved this TPB, very well paced, good art and the dialog is good. Action is top notch where it is in the book too.

You didn’t read Haunted? That’s a pretty good story arc even though WWH and CW cut into it. I personally didn’t like the art in those issues and Zeke is an annoying character. The series did have some good moments and the last issues of Zeke vs. Tony had some good fights.

I’m still holding out for an Ironman Omnibus even if the entire DoS series is split in 2 books.

That’s a top tier superhero saga. The art is a little uneven, which is the only thing that irks me about Moore’s run. He worked with Travis Charest, but as the issues went on, it was clear Charest couldn’t keep up with the monthly grind, and you can see where he was forced to cut corners on backgrounds (all of his figures are exceptionally well rendered). There were a number of fill-in artists and it’s kind of annoying, but it doesn’t ruin a great story.

Moore and Joe Casey definitely helped make the Wildcats my favorite superteam. I don’t know why that book is 40 bucks, though. You can probably find it cheaper elsewhere.

Yeah. I think I explained why I don’t think Nova is a good comic. To me, it is just a standard, middle-of-the-road superhero comic. You can do better but you can also do worse.

I don’t remember which one Haunted was, but I read several of the Knauf issues and they didn’t stand out to me (that’s probably why I don’t remember them too much). They weren’t terrible, but they were just average. The concept was all right, and I liked the dark tone to the artwork, but Fraction’s Invincible just embodies Iron Man so much better. And what’s the point of reading a poor man’s version of Iron Man? I ain’t no continuity pornographer, bub!

Currency conversion thing in mi country.

It’s still one of my fav. comic series. I usually don’t care if a comic series is mind-shattering (like Old Man Logan), but if it entertains me when I read it, then that is enough.

Haunted is the Mandarin story arc that takes place after the 2nd story arc with Yinsen’s angsty son.
It was pretty good and had a small supporting cast.
I don’t think I mentioned anything about continuity, but the story arc itself is pretty good IMO.

i have the nova OHC reprinting the first 12 issues or so but I have to read annihilation conquest vol. 2 first

That’s cool. I’m not saying that everything I like is infallible high art or anything, either, by the way. I just didn’t think much of the craftsmanship involved in Nova. It doesn’t jibe with what I like in comics.

I am starting to remember that now. There was something about Maya Hansen from Ellis’ Extremis arc - she faked her death or something. And some young tech-based girl hero got whooped on by some other dude and Iron Man vowed revenge or something. Those were the issues I read.

I wasn’t trying to pick apart your post. I was making an unsolicited, opinionated, general statement. I just mean that there are lots of comics out there that I think the only reason to read them is to whack off to continuity. Most of the stuff Marvel and DC publish probably falls under that category for me, which is why I am overjoyed whenever I read something that’s superbly crafted, such as The Five Nightmares.

Stuff I’ve Read Lately

Howard the Duck MAX - I’ve got the Essential Howard the Duck that collects the ‘70s stuff, and I think it’s one of the higher-tier Marvels from that era. It’s still a good read even today. The MAX miniseries from a couple years ago is by Steve Gerber (the original creator) so it feels just like a modern version of Howard, only with a little more nudity and swearing. The absurdist humor is also more absurd, and some of the topics the story tackles are amusing. There’s an issue that parodies the Witchblade series (in this version, Jane Austen and Eleanor Roosevelt were both previous owners of the “Doucheblade”) and another issue that takes place in the “Boarding House of Mystery” and parodies Vertigo. The plotting and character development, like the old Howard series, isn’t really the focus of the story, but the satire and social commentary still make this a good read as long as you have a taste for the absurdity. The art’s really exceptional, too - Phil Winslade and Glenn Fabry did it. Lots of glorious detail.
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The Incredible Hulk v. 1, 2 (Return of the Monster and Boiling Point)** - These are the first two volumes of the Bruce Jones run. This was my first time reading Jones’ Hulk, believe it or not. I missed the boat when it was being serialized. I liked both of these volumes, but I didn’t love them like I thought I would. The premise is the tried-and-true “Banner’s on the run from shady covert operatives” but with more of an emphasis on the covert ops, and with a deeper slant on the danger of the situation.

The first volume is mostly a series of individual stories loosely connected. They read kind of like old-school EC books, only with a Marvel superhero. I think that’s the feeling Jones was trying to invoke, at least. There’s some implausible plotting that detracted from my enjoyment, though. Jones uses laptops as sort of deus ex machinas, and it’s almost like he disregards the fact that they are technology and instead treats them like magic. Laptops are able to trace anything, anywhere, and tap into and provide live video feeds on anybody? Come on, now. That was weak. That really crippled the last couple issues. Romita, Jr. did the art, though, and it’s just fantastic. He really makes the comic feel realer than it is.

The second volume starts off with an awesome premise: Banner is one of a number of hostages in a convenience store in a small town. A disgraced police negotiator tries to defuse the situation, but the shady covert ops dudes who are after Banner intervene and try to get him. But again, the ending wasn’t entirely satisfying to me. Jones again relies on a few very implausible coincidences to move the plot, and it just feels weak and contrived, almost like an overly simplistic Saturday morning cartoon. It’s a shame because everything else about the tone of the book feels so real and hard. Plus, Lee Weeks penciled this volume, and that guy is outstanding. Whenever I think of “underrated artists,” he is the first person I think of. It’s a treat to be able to find a TRADE, BABY of his work.

If I ever find the rest of the Bruce Jones volumes for cheap, I’ll probably pick them up. I’d like to see if he improved during his tenure. It also helped that I only spent 5 bucks on the first two books combined, so even with the inconsistent plotting, I still felt like I got my money’s worth.
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Ex Machina v. 7: Ex Cathedra** - Outside of other Vertigo titles of comparable quality, this is currently probably DC’s best book. Every storyline builds on what came before it, and I’m just excited to continue reading. The melding of science fiction/fantasy and reality is just fascinating to witness unfold. This story arc find Hundred encountering the Pope. It’s intense and the last page makes my loins quaver with anticipation of the next TRADE, BABY.
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Concrete v. 1 and 2 (Depths and Heights)** - I wasn’t planning to reread these, but the other week I pulled volume 1 off the shelf and just started flipping through it randomly. Then I just got sucked in and devoured both of these books. Concrete’s always been one of my all-time favorite comics and even reading it now, years after I discovered the series, it STILL feels fresh. Paul Chadwick’s so skillful at evoking genuine emotion out of his imagery and his prose. It’s a very rare quality to find such a level of sincerity without coming off as sappy or pretentious. Chadwick never overreaches himself, and his characters always act in believable ways. There’s so much verisimilitude involved in the series. BKV himself agrees with me, too. He’s always said that Concrete was one of the most important comics he’s ever read. Concrete will always get the highest possible recommendation from me.
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Captain America: The Man Who Bought America** - This has been a stalwart of quality ever since issue 1. The conclusion of this volume seems to be the end of Act Two. It’s been a very satisfying ride to witness Bucky’s transformation into Captain America. Looking forward to what the Bru has cookin’ next.
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Runaways: Dead End Kids** - I love Runaways and I like Joss Whedon… But for some reason, I felt empty inside after read this one. I don’t think it was because of all the anticipation I had built up in my mind, either. The first three, maybe four issues of this TRADE, BABY were really nice. It just seemed to peter out at the end. Don’t get me wrong. The ending made perfect sense and stuff, but it just felt like it was missing something. I remember the issues were delayed back when they came out, so maybe Whedon was rushed or something?

I think what bugged me was that BKV’s stories always left the characters changed by their adventures. They grew and learned. Dead End Kids felt somewhat abrupt, and at the end, it didn’t really feel like the kids had changed much. The art wasn’t as good as Alphona or Miyazawa, either. It was serviceable enough, but it was Christina Strain’s colors that really saved the day. She totally succeeds in keeping a uniform look to the series. I’ll be looking forward to see what Terry Moore’s doing with the series.
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FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABLES!!!11111 v. 11: War and Pieces** - This is pretty much the culmination of the biggest underlying plot of the entire series up to this point. The build up to this was extremely well-done, and the execution of the big battles in the volume was obviously planned meticulously by the creators. Everything that happens feels entirely plausible in context of the story. I laughed, I cried, (gimme a hug, V-Slashy!!! A HUG!!!), and I sweated blood.

And I must make special note of Bucky’s art the past two years or so: he’s always been awesome, but these past couple TRADES, BABY he’s been on fire! It’s godly how he can channel Kirby without seeming like he’s intentionally trying draw a book in the King’s style. His layouts are always fantastic, his design sense really draws the reader into the world of the characters, and his figures always convey emotion so well. There is only one Jack Kirby and no one can ever replace him, but in my mind, Bucky is like our generation’s Kirby. Bucky may not be as prolific but I can’t think of another artist whose art is packed with so much passion, excitement, and genuine love for the imagination. Those are qualities I always admired in Kirby and just looking at Bucky’s work in FAAAAAAAAAABLES!!!11 evokes the same type of enthusiasm in me as someone in the '60s or ‘70s probably felt when reading Kirby’s work.
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Punisher MAX v. 10: Valley Forge, Valley Forge** - This is the perfect conclusion to Ennis’ run on Punisher MAX. We come full circle here. All of the dangling plot threads from the previous stories get resolved here, and the events of Punisher: Born play a key role in the background of this story. It’s just amazing how Ennis ties everything together. He even introduces a parallel narrative into the comics. Interspersed throughout are excerpts from a fictional non-fiction book about the Vietnam War and Frank Castle’s transformation into the Punisher. I found these text pieces to be astoundingly well-conceived and I was engrossed in them as much as I was engrossed in the “real” action. I hope Ennis writes a war novel someday. I have even more respect for him as a writer after reading this.

HE BLEW UP!!

It was so sad!

FABLES!!!11!

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I know! The scoundrel got a hero’s death. I wonder if we’ll ever see him again. If Willingham ever decides to break the fourth wall, he could always bring back any of the characters. That would be awesome… If Bigby or someone gets all beaten up to hell, then looks straight at the reader in an Animal Man-esque “I can see you!” manner and realizes his real world popularity makes him immortal in the story…


I also read Young Liars v. 1. David Lapham, bub. P. Gabby, you read it yet? I liked it, but it confused me a bit. I think I have to reread it in order to fully appreciate it.

First time I’ve heard Mark Buckingham compared to Jack Kirby - certainly an interesting take on that one. Any specific attributes you’re pointing to, or is it just an overall feel of the book from month to month to month?

FAAAAAAAAABLES!!!111

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IT’S SO GOOD

Both, Clinty.

The past two or three TRADES, BABY in particular, have numerous pages that remind me of Kirby. I think a big part of it may be how Leialoha’s been inking Bucky’s work. Go back to The Good Prince arc and look at the scenes with the Adversary’s armies. Those orcs and trolls or whatever they are totally remind me of Kirby. The giant warrior the King fights one-on-one? That’s like a Kirby creature straight outta The Fourth World.

Pull out the Sons of Empire TRADE, BABY. Look at that incredible double-page splash on pages 78 and 79. Bucky’s channeling Kirby right there. Just look at the semi-awkward postures on the army soldiers who somehow look like they are relaxing and fighting a war at the same time! Look at the explosions in the background. Look at the way the big blue-haired monster’s face is inked on page 79. Look at the armor of the yellowish soldier in the corner of page 78 - that could totally be a New God. And how can a panel this busy and imaginative and filled with excitement still be so clear in its storytelling?! It’s insane, my man.

And the pages that aren’t overtly Kirbyish still give me that feeling. Bucky’s calmer scenes, like scenes where the characters just talk or go about their daily business, certainly have their own style. But that’s sort of the point to me. Bucky has this very specific style where his characters look somewhat cartoony and yet realistic. You know you’re looking at a Bucky page right off the bat. Nobody else draws like him. And having a unique style is definitely a hallmark of Kirby. I doubt Kirby ever envisioned an industry of people who cloned his style. I bet he’d appreciate artists who had their own voices.

Probably just about every comic book artist who is any good has been influenced by Kirby, but I think Bucky just has that perfect balance in his art where he shows some of his influences (I also detect some Steve Rude in his work) but clearly has his own unmistakable style. The characters always wear their emotions on their faces and in their body language, and that’s something I always got from Kirby’s art. Like if you read those old Fourth World books, even though the dialogue is dated and kind of cheesy, it’s so easy to forgive because the storytelling in the art is so effective.

By the way, just so you know, I had four glasses of water this morning and I had to get up to go pee three times while I was writing this post.

I’m not going to read Zephy large post before I post this, but yeah, I noticed it a lot too in this tread.

There were lots of kirbyesque shots.

I read it, now, that is pretty much why I thought so too. There is one shot of snow or somebody that looks just like a FF surprised Sue.