The OFFICIAL Call of Duty Thread: Black Ops MP info up!

[jae_hoon]

In BO they at least patched shotguns so that if you shoot someone they don’t fall into last stand they just die. I wish someone implemented that sooner. And I doubt it works like that in MW3.

It does not, nothing stops final stand.

[Fatal_Error_XI]

It does not, nothing stops final stand.

Headshots and explosive deaths stop final/last stand.

What I hate the most out of deathstreaks is that you keep getting it until you get a kill. They dont keep giving me a predator missile(which I earned) until I get a kill with it, why should you keep getting dead man’s hands?

I had a game on hardhat where I killed a guy with DMH 3 times in a row, each time he red’s out my screen(blast shield saved me), but he inevitably blows me up on me killing him for the 4th time.

It’s seems IW strategy for dealing with things the community hates is by coming up with something worse which makes the old stuff seem balanced. Juggernaut becomes Painkiller, Last Stand becomes Final Stand, Final Stand becomes Dead Man’s Hand.

[Amazing_Funbags]

Lol Vonderharr

Recently, David Vonderhaar of Treyarch has been in conversation with Call of Duty fans regarding a fairly controversial topic: Stopping Power and its place as a perk in Call of Duty.
The Stopping Power was first introduced in Infinity Ward’s Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare as a perk giving players a way to increase their bullet damage. The inclusion of this perk carried over into Treyarch’s Call of Duty: World at War and then once again into IW’s Modern Warfare 2. Unfortunately, many players quickly found, even back in CoD4, that Stopping Power became such a staple perk, it rendered all other perks in that tier negligible. Many would argue that if one didn’t use Stopping Power, they were at a serious disadvantage compared to the majority that would be using it.
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In listening to community feedback, the tradition was finally broken when Treyarch released last year’s Call of Duty: Black Ops, which did not include any sort of perk that added to bullet damage. Generally, this was received rather well among the community, although, it did give rise to the infamy of the Ghost perk, which Vonderhaar also recently spoke about. One fan recently commented, No one bed about the stealth perks from CoD4-6 since they had stopping power in the same tier. Giv’em stealth or power,” to which Vonderhaar replied, “they just bed about stopping power, instead.”
This year’s Modern Warfare 3 also didn’t see the inclusion of the Stopping Power perk, though developers did opt to raise the damage of all weapons as if they had this perk already built in. This made for very little survivability, especially with the added “proficiencies” which could increase different attributes of each weapon. Some would argue that this also unbalanced gunplay - another topic explored by Treyarch’s own David Vonderhaar, who had some bold things to say about Call of Duty’s weapon balance in general. Though many found Black Ops to include some of the best weapon balance in a Call of Duty game yet, many also remember the over-powered FAMAS and AK74U. One fan asked, “looking back, do you feel you did the right thing with the Famas/74u patches? Are you more open to rebalancing requests now?” Vonderhaar replied, “yes and yes.”
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In a continuation of the weapon and perk balance discussion, Vonderhaar took to Twitter to talk to Call of Duty fans about Stopping Power and its future. It has recently become a slight trend to wish for the return of Stopping Power since many are now saying that it did, in fact, balance gameplay in Cod4 even though it may have made for fewer choices in that perk tier. Vonderhaar simply put it: “Stopping Power isn’t a viable solution. Solid mechanics with good tuning (and ability to real-world experiment with those tunables) is.” He added, “I am not making any assumptions. I am looking at the root cause and core tuning and so should you. Good talk, though.” It looks as though the next Call of Duty (Black Ops 2?) still might not see the return of Stopping Power, but should hopefully include some of the most balanced gunplay yet.

[axeman61]

It’s seems IW strategy for dealing with things the community hates is by coming up with something worse which makes the old stuff seem balanced. Juggernaut becomes Painkiller, Last Stand becomes Final Stand, Final Stand becomes Dead Man’s Hand.

What pisses me off the most about deathstreaks are how unnecessary they are. From all standpoints. The good player doesn’t need deathstreaks. The bad player isn’t being helped much by deathstreaks. The middling player hates deathstreaks, because they get screwed over by them. And since people all around hate the mechanic, it means that as a developer, you could take it out and replace it with nothing. I bet IW/Treyarch wouldn’t be able to get rid of a magnum pistol without a significant portion of their fanbase bitching.

Yet IW chose to waste valuable time and money on a feature that they wouldn’t dare tout at CODXP. Yeah, we’ve all seen Robert Bowling say there was no more Last Stand on stage. Try to find ANY mention of deathstreaks in that whole presentation though. There is none. My question is: If you won’t even mention a feature in front of a bunch of loyal fans who paid good money to get a sneak peek at the game, what does that say about the feature? I know (and have said) deathstreaks are way less frequent, but I don’t understand wasting considerable resources to bring them back if you know people hate them.

[AkumaTX]

Most good players did not use stopping power…

[DeviltheEmperor]

My only problem with the removal of SP was that BO introduced ghost. And MW3 effectively has ghost also. Having assassin pro in the game effectively neuters anyone playing support or running UAV at all (which they made a whole strike package for!!!). It wasnt that big of a deal in MW2 with the inclusion of SP, because you had to pick one or the other. In my opinion you either take out both or include both perks in the same tier…MW2 HAD IT RIGHT.

Oh, and everyone should stop bitching about OP weapons. Tiers happen. Get over it.

[Calcal]

Why do I feel like they put things in the game the community hates so that when the next game comes out you will buy that expecting them to fix the issues. And if that one has something annoying you will just buy the next game expecting improvements so they constantly get your money. I hope that isn’t the case, but it is a business.

[axeman61]

That’s a crazy conspiracy theory… but it’s making scary sense. If some leaked IW/Treyarch memo said that’s what they were doing, I wouldn’t be surprised at this point.

[Amazing_Funbags]

Assassin>>Ghost

[Hotobu]

My only problem with Assassin is that it nullifies CUAV and EMP. That’s ridiculous. I’m fine with someone not showing up on radar, but also being immune to CUAV is too much. At least in the past I could pop a CUAV and be quasi stealthy for 30 seconds, but now that isn’t an option.

[Nando]

ill be on for a bit tonight…
maybe

[Spycarnegy]

My only problem with Assassin is that it nullifies CUAV and EMP. That’s ridiculous. I’m fine with someone not showing up on radar, but also being immune to CUAV is too much. At least in the past I could pop a CUAV and be quasi stealthy for 30 seconds, but now that isn’t an option.

Thats my exact gripe with perk. Theres just no way in hell it should have that much power. I still question what the hell they were thinking after Ghost the previous year, like you actually made it better? Whatever…they obviously could careless about what the community thinks otherwise we’d have a pretty decent game by now. Apples and oranges though, especially with Call of Duty.

[voodazz]

Thats my exact gripe with perk. Theres just no way in hell it should have that much power. I still question what the hell they were thinking after Ghost the previous year, like you actually made it better? Whatever…they obviously could careless about what the community thinks otherwise we’d have a pretty decent game by now. Apples and oranges though, especially with Call of Duty.

It’s as if they are “listening” to the fans’ gripes and went out of their way to say “FUCK YOU” with the addition of Assassin pro and Dead man’s hand.

It’s the only explanation I can think of because there’s no way anyone could think those were good ideas for replacing Ghost and Last Stand. Ah well…

[axeman61]

Maybe they ARE just drug dealers stepping on their product so that we hope we get the real someday.

If MW2 didn’t have the problems it did, it would be the best COD bar none. But then how are you going to top that shit?

[Infernoman]

I say it’s a sign of the times…look at how much easier many games have gotten over the years. doesn’t help that many of us have been playing video games for years that anything challenging becomes a non issue and we destroy newer players. For that logic came deathstreaks to help the newbies but it’s I honestly think an idea just poorly executed. to open your product up to a larger demographic means you’ll have to accept that your core audience will leave in favor of a bigger general audience.

Look at Mario games and tell me what’s wrong with them. Mario Kart got easier once the Blue shell was introduced now punishing players who were in the lead. Pokemon got easier with moves that PROMOTED luck (whoever played then knew one critical hit could fuck up your perfect gameplan). Look what happened to Smash Bros. they changed shit to make random things like tripping so skillful players cannot always dominate. And don’t get me started on Mario Party (FUCK CHANCE TIME!)

Call of Duty is now part of what I call, Nintendo Balance. Who need’s skill when Luck and poor planning do everything.

[Unreallystic]

Look at Mario games and tell me what’s wrong with them. Mario Kart got easier once the Blue shell was introduced now punishing players who were in the lead. Pokemon got easier with moves that PROMOTED luck (whoever played then knew one critical hit could fuck up your perfect gameplan). Look what happened to Smash Bros. they changed shit to make random things like tripping so skillful players cannot always dominate. And don’t get me started on Mario Party (FUCK CHANCE TIME!)

Call of Duty is now part of what I call, Nintendo Balance. Who need’s skill when Luck and poor planning do everything.

You just ruined my day with a flashback to Mario Party. The game caused me to hate my Wii to the point of relegating it to the SD TV in the corner with the PS2/XBox/DC setup. Mario Kart was a waste as well, I bought two peripherals, the game, and then only played that POS twice. Why? Because it sucks to actually be winning. I didn’t mind the blue shell so much in the N64 version - CPU assistance was annoying there, but my goodness it is down right BROKEN in the newer Nintendo titles…its taqkes the fun out of simply being better. If I wan a handicap - especially against the computer, I’ll pic a worse character. If you want to make the game harder - imrpove the AI…but that shit was fucking STUPID. Especially MArio Party…wow.

But I don’t think CoD falls into the same line as Nintendo titles and Midway sports game. Final stand is NOT a blue shell, you donot have to die to marytyrdom. There is nothing absolute about deathstreaks. And for all the complaining about the people ‘using’ them, switch positions - everyone has had the ridiculously bad luck game, where you spawn in someone’s cross hairs, or you spawn right before spawns switch, or your teammates just suck and keep streaks for the other team continuous. Its not a racing game, its a point game - so unlike Mario Kart…where first place is irrelevent to the guy in 6th as they odn’t interact, if I pop up on a team going AGAINST SRK - then…say Reth is going to on me up consistently. Hotobu will tube me into a ful lblown fffuuuuuuuuu rage…so the effect of essential getting a buffer does nothing but that - it gives you a buffer, it doens’t change the tied of battle - in Mario Kart and Mario Party, the person in 8th plaace can turn it around and finish in top 3 on the last lap with just a tiny bit of luck. In CoD though, if I’m on a -5 deathstreak…blowing up is NOT going to put me atop the leaderboards - nor tank you down to the bottom.

I stil ldont’ get the hate for ghost. People act like it was something new its simply cold blooded…that wasn’t broken in MW2…and having a better option doesn’t make something else less broken.

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[jae_hoon]

Most good players did not use stopping power…

That is a flat out lie, even in MW2 where commandotubes were everywhere. The best players still used SP regularly.

[Don_Barracuda]

stopping power was an essential perk in MW2, you are at a disadvantage not using it

EDIT: didn’t read article

I really miss pure barebones, this game would be so much more fun without all the perks, attachments and kill streaks :sad:

Assassin>>Ghost

I’ve found using extreme conditioning, assassin with dead silience, smg + handgun with knife attachment wrecks havok on free4all. Barely anypne runs with heartbeat monitor and since I spend most of my time indoors I don’t worry about airsupport unless it’s getting too many kills for me to keep up.

[Spycarnegy]

No disrespect Unreallystic but Assassin = \ = Cold Blooded. Cold blooded didn’t save you from Counter Uav, EMP, Heartbeat Sensors, Blackbird\Advanced UAV(To be fair this is BO\MW3) but still you get the point. RAGEEEEEEEEEEE lol. At least in Blackops\MW2 if I got a counter uav I could block your UAV and shit so you were without something. But noooooooooooo fuckin IW!

[Hotobu]

No disrespect Unreallystic but Assassin = \ = Cold Blooded. Cold blooded didn’t save you from Counter Uav, EMP, Heartbeat Sensors, Blackbird\Advanced UAV(To be fair this is BO\MW3) but still you get the point. RAGEEEEEEEEEEE lol. At least in Blackops\MW2 if I got a counter uav I could block your UAV and shit so you were without something. But noooooooooooo fuckin IW!

You forgot that it also negates Marksman, and Thermal Scopes.