Bison deserves to be punished for missing headstomp, more tracking will just make it spammable. The only psycho crusher that deserves inv is EX psycho, but a faster one wouldnt be too much.
That’s not the point. It’s highly spammable as is. It’s pretty much free safe chip damage, if used properly.
The problem is that when you miss a HS (and you do constantly, for the stupidest reasons), you are WAAAAAY too open to punishment. All the opponent has to do is move ever so slightly, and you will HS through their body. I mean, c’mon, poke em in the eye if you’re that close.
And that’s not even mentioning how many characters can simply cHP it (yaaa, i am just gonna punch your fast approaching boots…)
HS gets beat by walking backwards, forward dash, back dash, jumping back (especially with an attack), focus attacks, crouch punchs, jabs, hadokens, shoryukens, and many other things.
It’s sad to see Bison become nothing more than a kicking machine…wtf is he, chun li? All he REALLY has is Scissor Kicks, mk/hk footsies, and mindgames which don’t work if the other opponent knows him well enough. PC sucks, HS sucks, DR sucks, teleport sucks, AA sucks. Sorry, but I have been playing him long enough to realize he is nothing more than a mid tier character. High mid tier, but still not good enough to deal with the beasts of SFIV.
You should be able to walk out of it. The only time it should be used is to chip when someone wiffs, hit on guessing fireballs (not that i sugest doing that too often), or chip as an oki. Its good enough, cause its useable but not spammable. That and it forces people to actually think and use more of his ground game. I mean god forbid.
Also, how does a fireball beat head stomp?
I have no problem walking out of it, really. Although I have seen people walk out of it on wakeup. I am more pissed about people doing certain moves (punches, specials, just simply ducking) that slightly change their hitbox, and avoiding it.
I agree his ground game is where it’s at. But not at the cost of weakening his air game to disgraceful levels.
I have had hadokens hit me as they’re being thrown, just as I am landing a HS, and it hits me out of the headstomp. Several others have mentioned this. Yes, the timing is hard, but I have seen many Ryu’s do it alot (especially when they’re spamming Hadokens, and I go to HS one, and the next one he spams hits me rather than me stomping him on the head)
I think PC just needs a slight invincibility and damage increase to make it a great tool. As it is the move puts you in a crappy position and all versions except the EX just come out too slow and are way too punishable on block to be viable. I’d suggest making the move completely invincible and maybe give it throw properties like Gief’s running bear grab so it can’t be blocked. Then the damage could be increased slightly from 150 or whatever it is to 1201, this way it would kill (and I do mean kill) every character on impact, and this would be a perfect way to implement my idea that Bison should have a move that makes his opponent explode into pink Psycho Shit. I think this would be a good way to balance out Bison’s lack of anti-air options and inability to easily combo into his ultra.
lmao one hit unblockable PC wins would be awesome.
But seriously, the non EX pc needs to be made not crappy. The ONLY uses it has are chip damage, and you sometimes get lucky when you catch a jumping opponent with it. I would mind seeing it have more of a Sumo Headbutt style to it, where you could hit jumpins with it with the proper timing.
Somebody else mentioned aesthetics, and my gf has stated she would love to see a bison alt costume where he is permanently on purple fire. Just completely butt ass nekkid Fei Long style, with purple fire covering up the naughty bits (wow I sound SO gay asking for that).
Ive been maining Bison since console release. I really enjoy his style of play in SF4. Some of the things Ive read in this thread are way out there. Seems people care more about pleasing the eye than pleasing better mechanics. Anyways, heres a small list I personally feel would help him out without breaking him too much.
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[]C.FP needs to be sped up.
[]S.HK is useless vs Shoto J.HK, its really isnt fair when Shotos have all the tools to shut Bison out. They need to change this.
[]Another way of confirming his Ultra, J.mp mp is way to dependant on the other character and it still gets beat a lot in the air. Give it more priority.
[]Ability to cross over with DR and SD.
[]PC needs to be sped up.
[]Give him Pycho Banish (paint the fence) command move. This would be ideal for hit confirming his ultra. Make it an overhead.
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To all that want Bison to have a fireball, no no no no. Stop comparing MvC2 or Alpha Bison to SF4. They have completely different mechanics.
How does Bison get shut out in 5:5 matches?
because he doesn’t have a fireball and his ex headstomp doesn’t track, pay attention dude
Or maybe you guys aren’t using his footsie game to win. That usually helps.
This is the most fail wishlist ever.
If I was a game developer and read this I’d probably nerf the hell out of your character just for you even suggesting so many broken, childish improvements…nah I probably wouldn’t…but I’d want to.
The rest of you should be wishing for one thing - another, much more feasible way to combo into Bison’s ultra. That’s really all he needs. Don’t get greedy.
Yea but…Rose is a console character. This means that this supposed good Rose is willing to come over to your house or worse, invite you into his home. You’ve proven over and over again that you grasp neither basic SF mechanics, nor 1st grade logic.
So if he’s willing to spend time with you he’s either your social worker…or he’s probably not very good.
Sometimes I think the Bison forum is actually a joke forum and half the people who post here are fucking with us.
Seriously, it’s like the community is trying it’s best to make everyone worse at this game.
All that is needed is the beta psycho crusher,couple frame less start up on cr.hp and I am set.Some way of landing the ultra maybe more priority on 2xmp would be appreciated but not absolutely needed.
Instead of making the scissor and crusher like an srk as far as start up let’s ask to be able to throw ryu,akuma, and sagat out of their uppercuts…And how about the ability to cross up a dp I never knew someone could uppercut you ten feet in the air with just their shoulders.lol
footsies are a scrub tactic. real men use a flaming dragon punch and a little technique i like to call “jump kick, sweep” :smokin:
All of you guys ideas are rediculous. Are you all just trying to make him easy mode? I dont want to say “stupid '09ers” but it seems like they are the ones making all the silly ideas.
no you guys saying he is fine the way he is are rediluous.
giving his HS better tracking specifically against air targets would just make the move more versatile. I mean they can still have the ability for you to walk out of it.
giving him a faster PC with perhaps some invincibility just puts him on even terms with a DP. it just evens the fight out.
where the FUCK did that come from???
anywho, as I stated, I played him at a local tourney a few times, and he was quite good with Rose. Dunno where the rest of your insane ramblings came from, lol
Yes, some ideas are sorta out there. Some are jokes, and some are actually pretty good. This is just a wishlist, full of various things people would like to see implemented. They don’t NEED to be, or HAVE to be, but it’d be nice if SOME did make it in.
It isn’t making an EASY button for Bison, just trying to balance him vs Ryu/Sagat. Technically, it’d be nicer if they got damage nerfed, but whatever.
You do know that vs Ryu and Sagot its 5-5 right?
Anywho, I can agree with a faster psycho crusher, that is a good idea. But it doesnt need invincibility, thats what EX psycho crusher is for.
Its 6:4 against Sagat
I agree some of these lists are way out there but I still think Bison needs a more dependable AA. Whether they nerf Shoto jump in, give him a vertical psycho crusher, or improve his c.fierce something needs to be done. Half the cast can jump in and at least trade if not win against Dict.