I don’t have the cables or the means to do a test for that. Even if I test it using my PC’s VGA, I don’t have a CRT that accepts AVI input to test it against.
For now I’m content that the results I got are in line with what KVW’s on AVSforum.
I don’t have the cables or the means to do a test for that. Even if I test it using my PC’s VGA, I don’t have a CRT that accepts AVI input to test it against.
For now I’m content that the results I got are in line with what KVW’s on AVSforum.
Will this work for gaming purposes?
Mostly to see if we can have lagless gaming during our monthly tournament on my Bravia that has a VGA port. I’ll stick to HDMI for my movies, but I want to know if this will work.
I was gonna spring for a HD fury cable if it was less than $100, but those things are expensive.
Until someone can post results of every single HDMI cables’ throughput capacity, it remains a variable. The fact that some generic brands often don’t even post its bandwidth capacity should tell you something. That could mean that you can potentially buy a generic brand HDMI cable, but it doesn’t mean that its actually HDMI certified or meet the criteria for even being considered an HDMI cable. This is has nothing to do with what brand anyone is talking about.
Bottom line, the Xbox 360 outputs information through HDMI ports at a certain data rate, obviously. Unless you work in the industry or at Agilent Technologies, we won’t know what that is or be able to replicate it until its tested. We don’t even know if there is a cap to that. I haven’t been able to find any information regarding the console’s data output through HDMI. If someone can test it, that is the first step into figuring out whats next. Once we find that out, then HDMI cables can no longer be a variable and excuse.
Looking at the two examples on the OP of where lag occurs, it makes absolute sense that your pipeline can be a possible factor to lag. Generic brand cables might not help the situation, but high-end industry cables that are used in digital theaters might not be needed to fix it either. If the Xbox 360 outputs data at x/per second and your cable’s bandwidth capacity is less than that at y/per second, then your cable won’t be able to handle and transfer the data at an adequate speed. Getting HDMI cables that can match up to the Xbox 360’s output (whatever that is) might fix the problem and it also might not. But that means that its definitely not the cable thats causing lag, but definitely the tv. But in any case, it still can be a variable.
I mean, if this is idea is blasphemous, then please stop me. I have no idea what I’m talking about and thats why I’m here. Every time I’ve posted, I’ve always asked if anyone has had any experience with whatever I’m talking about. If HDMI cables have nothing to do what this problem, them tell me why HDMI cables are not a factor.
I’ve googled everything I can, and anything I find definitely doesn’t come from Shoryuken.com. That means that any of the information that I’m looking for isn’t here. You tell me to read the thread or the OP, but I can’t find the answer to my question. Instead of flaming me, just direct me. We’re all here to find one thing, a “virtually” lagless playing platform/environment.
i think your first order of business is to return that monster cable and buy an hdmi cable for $0.53 online somewhere.
Xbox 360 has HDMI version 1.2. HDMI 1.2 has a Bandwidth of 4.95 Gbit/s. A supposed 13.8 Gbits/s cable is an absolute waste. Not HDMI device out there uses that much bandwidth as even HDMI 1.4 is spec’ed at 10.2Gbit/s.
Never buy Monster cables. Ever.
The HDMI version that the 360 uses is the maximum capacity. I can see that, but there are still cables out there that don’t even advertise what version it is certified for or anything. I found that out myself. Buying Monster cables have nothing to do with the argument. If any product says that its x, I have to assume that its x unless I test it myself, and since I don’t have the tools to do that, I just gotta assume. I mean I only spent $20 for them. I don’t think its that big of a deal.
alot of monoprice’s HDMI cables are certified. and costs like 5 bucks. wait. yours have gold plated tips? well i do too! and cheaper.
seriously speaking if the HDMI theoretically doesnt have that bandwidth, then it SHOULDNT be classified as 1.2, 1.3 …or whatever generation its a part of.
i can totally buy a Hori wii arcade stick and have it fully modded with the money i saved from buying a Monster cable
dude …did you even read my post?
here it is again…
My instructor had years and years of AV experience, install home theaters for rich-ass clients, work with major brand companies.blah blah blah…etc…
do you think he had anything good to say about hdmi monster cables??
not trying to crush your dreams…if you can get your hands on a vewlix f monitor you shoulkd go for it!! in terms of SF4…its produce the best looking image i’ve ever seen.
why would you need a display port? anyways…if you gona be using a bravia, best solution is just to get a Asus evo monitor.
I think that’s the best solution for everybody that has a big LCD that has high lag is to get a dedicated monitor for gaming that has low lag.
SF4 doesn’t look good on anything bigger than a 32" display anyways.
my recommendations are:
For small size and cheap
samsung XL2370
Benq E2400HD
Asus evo monitor VH236H
A CRT TV/Monitor
Most TN panel LCD monitors
for bigger size 32"
LG 32lh30 and 32lh20
Vewlix F monitor
best to go with a 720p display to keep it native.
sf4 is 720p as in most games.
for big screens
well I wouldn’t really recommend and
haven’t tested much …but plasma seem to do better in terms of input lag vs LCDs, but you will need to be more careful with it compare to an LCD.
Issues with plasma is that it can get permenent burn in or Image persistence that take awhile to dissapear. NO matter what anybody says regards less of brands, plasma still perceptible to burn ins if you’re not careful.
I just got a pioneer kuro and even though it feels good to play sf4 on…I won’t play on it much.
If you will be playing on a plasma just be careful with it and don’t play on it for hours, set contrast/brightness on low and have the highest setting orbitors.
i do believe there is an article posted out on the 2’nd page that within states that plasma does not get the same input problems as LCD because the plasma can be manipulated faster and more accurately than LCD (please correct me if im wrong).
Edit: i’ve also heard though plasma is so expensive to fix when it goes out…and it is less reliable than LCD (again correct me if im wrong).
Ask. If somebody can’t answer your question, don’t assume. Test.
You assume that you get less lag when setting your Xbox output to the lowest resolution possible. TEST this if you like, but experience tells me that your display will lag MORE like this.
General knowledge of this issue is low, so a lot of people ask questions. If you just ‘assume’ and state incorrect facts like you do, you’re just going to muddy the issue up even more and make it shit for everyone.
Right now it’s safe to say that the quality of HDMI cables have no bearing whatsoever on input lag. If a cable couldn’t handle the required bandwidth it would probably just not display anything. Don’t assume that bandwidth in HDMI cables will behave the same way network games handle packets and latency.
There’s no such article and those claims about plasma not having input lag are bullshit. Input lag happens regardless of TV technology.
Hey, I skimmed through this thread, couldn’t find what Im looking for, so sorry if this has been asked.
Im looking for a reasonable priced, 30 inch+ lagless HDTV. Does anyone know any good models?
You won’t find a lagless HDTV of that size. Skim a bit harder over the last few pafes and you’ll find that the LG 32LH30 still has good lag performance.
Just curious, Have anyone tried the HD fury Gamer Edition? I’m thinking about grabbing it when I get the chance.
anybody know anything about “sceptre” monitors? 2ms sound good for motion blur. I want a get a flat screen for viewlix cabinet. 200 sounds good for a 24" lcd.
I just tested my Emerson 32" 720p. 63 milliseconds of lag. I’m effin’ pissed.
btw, I’m selling an Emerson 32" 720p HDTV, it’s real nice. Anybody interested? :bgrin: lololol
That isn’t a monitor, it’s an actual TV. TVs typically use panels with better viewing angles than TN, but I’m really not sure with this one. Ignore the response time these days and just get one of the monitors shinshoryuken recommended earlier.
edit: nevermind
I feel there might be a slight miscommunication here, some people are saying “get 22 inch 720p it’s great for SF4” but some people (like me) are thinking “I’d love to play SF4 but it’d be nice if it were like 32-36 inch I like SF4 but I wanna play the classics and blu-ray in 1080p”.
Just from reading around I feel we(Me definitely included) should all be a little more specific in our questions/suggestions.
Keep at it people we’ll find that perfect TV yet!!
is this the one from walmart blackfriday special??? I think im getting that for christmas :sad: