ok thanks, i just didnt want to order these cables and stuff to test just to see my tvs best ms until i bring something else into the equation(xbox 360) and it perfers something else so my test becomes useless for what i wanted it for
Which cables are you ordering? VGA? If so, be aware that there may be a slight decrease in quality compared to HDMI. It might be hard to notice, it might not be apparent at all. This is just due to the fact that analog (VGA) signals are more susceptible to interference. It shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Cables to do the camera millisecond test
if i do clone mode on my crt and lcd, can i still set each ones resolution? because in the tests i want to keep the crt at the same res, while playing around with the lcd
what would be true?
how would having a good selection of 720p lcds answer any of those questions i asked?
You have the right idea. The thing is with 1080p dominating the market there really isn’t much choice in getting a 720p monitor. Not all scalers lag though, as can be seen by the Evo monitor, so it’s not all bad.
dosu: it doesn’t matter what res the CRT is in, they don’t have a native resolution. The resolutions you want to test are 1920x1080 and 1280x720.
ok thanks
I have found this to be very strange as well this past year or so. Anyone know more about this?
Well, a lot of manufacturers were making sets in 1366x768 range because it was part of the WXGA standard, and it seems “best” because it’s the most number of pixels in that standard. It’s not best, but most people equate more = better, so that’s why they did it.
The standard of 1280x720 is also at the “lowest” end of the WXGA standard. And this would be great, as content that is natively 720 could be displayed without scaling. The 1366x768 was chosen so often because it’s a “near standard”, coming VERY close to 16:9. Most of the sets that displayed this resolution would actually drop pixels on the edges, so their actual resolution for the 720 content was around 1360765. Although this sacrificed a tiny bit of the image, it allowed them to display perfectly square pixels while still maintaining the aspect ratio. This meant that you would get less visual artifacts in the image due to an improper scaling ratio.
It’s still crap, if you ask me. I don’t think HD sets should be made into any resolution that isn’t a standard with a source type. All your 720 content gets slightly upscaled, and all the 1080 content gets downscaled to nearly 720, making it pointless. Those sets suck. Companies made them because they were marketable and people didn’t know any better.
But now they tout the “FULL HDTV” feature, like that’s something special. This just indicates that a set is in a native 1080 resolution, which they should’ve been in the first place. And, of course, they also came with a price hike.
I’m so glad I got a CRT HD set before they stopped making them.
If I can find one for sale still, is the Viewsonic CD4620 the set to buy if you want a 46" for gaming and movies? or do series 9(whatever) samsung and sony’s now are on par with the viewsonic?
Very informative post, sir!
The part about having 2 LCDs.
Unfortunatly it’s problematic due to lack of quality 720p sets.
Ehh i think in the end I’ll get myself Benq E2200HD as they don’t sell EVO monitors in Poland (only 242H)
Samsung LN46B610
I just picked up the Samsung LN46B610 at Costco and the game mode is amazing on it. It feels much more responsive than the [media=youtube]NiXsM1hSr7E"[/media] I just replaced with my 90 day return policy.
I’ll run some millisecond input lag tests on it when I get a chance but seriously this thing is looking really solid for Street Fighter.
If anyone has questions or wants me to test anything just post here and I’ll answer them.
I’ve read through and I don’t think anyone did any test with Home Theaters so I did one real quick last night.
I used my Asus Vh236h through HDMI and in game mode gives me a 3~10ms through the RB2 (PS3) calibration test. After I plugged the monitor through my Onkyo TX-SR806 receiver the RB2 test gave me 30~40ms. So the extra processing from my receiver introduced extra lag which was expected but wanted to post results.
Yeah, Vizio is total crap. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they’re talking about. A lot of older Vizio sets actually used a 1024x768 native resolution, even though the screen was a 16:9 shape (rectangular pixels = BARF CITY).
My friend Matt actually just bought that exact set you did - same size and everything, I swear. It’s a fantastic set, too. Although the 120 Hz comes with those “smoothing” options that are gimmicky, ugly and cause more lag. Avoid them. They make your movies look weird anyways.
Viewsonic CD4620 still the lcd to buy if you want an over 42" tv?(if you can even find them new for sale…)
I actually like the SV series Vizios. The VL isn’t very good.
my local fry’s is clearing this 60" dlp out for 700 bucks, and i’m really considering picking it up. as far as i can tell, it came out sometime in 2008. my searches for how well this tv is for gaming came up nil. unfortunately there’s no vga input, just the usual component/ s-video/ hdmi. i’m hoping someone here has experience with these 735 series dlps, since i’d be using it primarily for my 360 and watching movies.
This was a great read. “Turns out, many (but not all) HDTVs don’t have postprocessing enabled on the VGA port only.” After I read this I was wondering if this affects my 2ms LCD monitor as well? It is an LG Flatron and I currently connect my 360/PS3 directly with HDMI. I will run some tests tonight with Rock Band 2 and get back to you guys on it. Anyways, in conclusion, I’m just wondering if VGA is better than HDMI for monitors (or is there no difference?).
TV: Olevia 227-S11
Test Used: DSLR Camera dual display photos
Highest MS Delay Seen: 37ms
Lowest Delay Seen: 24ms
Average Delay: 28ms
Ports tested: HDMI, Component, VGA (all tested within 10%)
Hopefully this helps someone!
Can someone please do a definitive clock test on the EVO monitor’s big brother, the VW266H? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236047). I know a lot of people have it and say it’s lagless, but some concrete proof would be great. I plan on using my Wii and PS2 through component cables, so some tests at 480p as well would be appreciated (and I don’t know if it’s possible with a clock test, but 480i would be cool too).