What is the model no. of this low input lag LCD that you used in your tests?
i’m slightly confused by your post on using SMTT
are you also saying that different parts of a tv lag? Or mayhaps i’d understood your explanations better if i saw the full screen of both monitors
cause as far as i understand is that if you split a connection(using a splitter, not clone) to 2 displays, display a video of some sort, pick a spot on the screen, take a picture, then the spot on the one display will be exactly the same as the spot(relative to size) of the other display if both displays are lagless
I guess the first thing to understand is that LCD and CRT screens are constantly refreshing from top to bottom. When you split a signal to both of them they are both going to refresh on their own and will not be in sync (on might be refreshing the top of its screen and the other might be refreshing the bottom of its screen) they will not refresh in sync.
Now with a stopwatch timer like FlatpanelHD the time is only going to change once on each refresh cycle (16.67ms) but with SMTT it constantly displays the time following the refresh line. This is from top to bottom on both sides of the screen where it displays its time, when you set it up you can give SMTT as many lines as you want, but the more you give the smaller and harder it is to read.
In my pictures you are seeing all of the times. They just run down the sides of both screens.
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Ok look at this picture. It is a 67" Samsung and a Dell S2409W 24" LCD
Times 67" Samy ------ Dell 24"
Line 1 - 79.484 ------ 79.505
Line 2 - 79.486 ------ 79.506
Line 3 - 79.487 ------ 79.508
Line 4 - 79.490 ------ 79.510
Line 5 - 79.492 ------ 79.498
Line 6 - 79.494 ------ 79.500
Line 7 - 79.496 ------ 79.501
Line 8 - 79.498 ------ 79.503
Bold red line is the last to be refreshed
You compare what the most recent time that both of the monitors can display and the difference is your input lag. It doesnt matter what line it is. It just matters how high the highest time is. So in this picture the Samsungs highest time is line 8 and the Dells is line 4, this is the last part of the screen refreshed. 79.498 vs 79.510 a 12ms lag for the Samsung.
Hope this helps you understand. It is really simple you just want to find the highest value time.
So after reading through this thread countless times, I’ve come to the understanding that the reason the Panasonic TC-L32X1 is nearly lagless is because of the ips-alpha panel, correct? So I did a search for ips alpha panels and I came up with this one so far.
Panasonic TH-L32C20 32" Multisystem LCD TV
Looked for input lag reviews and can’t find any. Anyone have any experience with this tv?
If you are wanting an IPS Alpha LCD wait until Panasonic comes out with their 2011 models. It looks like many of them will use IPS Alpha.
http://www.panasonic.com/promos/ces/2011/products/viera-landing.aspx
Does the Asus VH266H worth extra $100 over the VW236H? how much of a different is that 4"?
Also have anyone try this out? http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-p2770fh-27-widescreen-full-hd-lcd-monitor-with-hdmi-and-ultra/q/loc/101/217593080.html
It’s on sale at costco for $277.
i just bought an asus vh236, does anyone know the best settings for it? the blackness of the screen doesnt really seem as dark as it could be. thanks in advance
So I’m an absolute noob at this stuff and even after reading I’m pretty confused. Did you guys see the Sharp Aquos Keits said they used at the mvc3 event with 1/2 frame of lag? Is that better than the Asus monitor or no? Also would you guys mind linking me to some good HDTV’s (I’ve got $650 and 30"+ would be great), I’ve been using the same 15" CRT since 2003 and I hate it and I’m going to upgrade soon.
There was some testing with the 25.5 monitors awhile back. Due to the 16:10 resolution instead of 16:9 which is standard for 1080p, there is extra scaling aka small bit of lag.
Does anyone have any experience with a Toshiba 19C100U? Link.
A local chain retailer is having on sale and I may pick it up. However, if what Amazon says is true, I already know off the bat that it only has approximate 16:9 ratio (1366 x 768).
I’ve tried searching the model up for input lag tests but I didn’t search hard enough (yielded nothing concise).
ASUS again
Another user asking:
Is the reaction time the only difference between ASUS VW246h and ASUS VH242H (respectively 2ms and 5ms)? Are they both lag free? Has anyone done proper test to them? The only test of VW246H that I’ve seen was the one WorstGiefEVER delivered…
Speaking of lagless TV; Sony Bravia KDL32E4000 - they are kinda old, but hey, they are just perfect (sadly, I can’t give you any numbers here, let’s just say it was tested many times by top Polish SF players). When you switch after playing on CRT for a long time - you really won’t see any difference. Every single 1f link is as simple as when using a CRT, no anti-airs fail on that screen. If you can get one - do so, you definitely won’t regret.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, I apologize if it isn’t.
I am looking to buy a 32" HDTV, I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions or firsthand experience with any that have near to or no lag.
I’ve been looking at the Samsung LN32C530, I just want to make sure I am gonna be able to play my fighting games without any noticeable lag.
According to Keits the TVs at that secret MvC3 event only had a half a frame of lag, anyone know if that’s 360 or ps3? or both? It looks like a nice size and I don’t think I’d feel half a frame (unless it’s quite noticeable) also how will this run my older systems which only go to 480i/p?
I think this is kind of the catch 22 of looking for a monitor with low lag. A lot of the reason that monitors/TVs lag is because of the post-processing that they put the image through. Unfortunately, this is also what makes them look so good. With a few exceptions, I think you’re usually going to find something that looks good OR doesn’t lag (at least maybe with a solid game mode option you may get both), although hopefully that will start changing in the future.
The vast vast majority “720p” LCDs on the market will actually have that 1366x768 resolution.
You will notice considerable lag on your older systems because the TV will have to scale it up from 480 to 720 or 1080, which takes time i.e. lag. One of the main reasons my wii sits and collects dust is because it doesn’t do a high def resolution and the lag on my HDTVs REALLY irritates me.
Keep a crt around if you want to play previous gen stuff with no lag.
I just received my VH236H and I was wondering if there’s any settings I should have my PS3 and monitor set to. Would the PS3 displaying at 1080p and the monitor set in game mode be all the settings I need?
god, now i have to look for a different solution other than HDbox pro D:
…and they’re all a liver on the black market prices D:
ASUS VH242H
ASUS VW246H
ASUS VH226H
ASUS MS236H
ASUS MS246H
Alienware Optx 2210
These monitors seem to be the only available lagless option in Poland. Which of them would you guys recommend?
Just wanted to post and say that I recently got a Panasonic Viera GT25 and it owns. 1080p in game mode gives me less than a frame of lag, though I don’t have any means to measure it any more precisely than that. For what it’s worth, the G25 has the same performance for a lower price since it doesn’t do 3D; you can get it for about $800 online. I’m very satisfied with my purchase.
I need the absolute best 32 inch LCD on the market in terms of input lag. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
The LG LD350 32" is probably your best option right now in terms of minimal input lag:
http://shoryuken.com/f177/new-definitive-hdtv-lag-faq-174085/index118.html#post9158230
I’d be curious to know if there are better options however as I returned mine due to the lag being just that slight bit worse than my BenQ E2400.