My recommendation is to just order the 236 from newegg.com. I got mine for less than 200 and I love it. Too bad it’s my PC monitor and not my TV lol.
If you’re still looking for the VW246H, B&H Photo has them in-stock. It’s where I bought mine last year.
You sure about this? I seem to remember some stuff from AVS forum that says the Panasonic plasmas are generally pretty solid on input lag, especially the G series, I think.
I have a 720 42" that I haven’t been able to test yet, but GENERALLY it’s pretty solid. I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s been better than every other 40+ TV that I’ve played on so far and those have pretty much all been LCDs from various makers.
Also, Digital Versus has started testing input lag vs a CRT on every monitor and TV they review. They do it in clone mode, which I heard isn’t as reliable, but it’s better than nothing, right? And it seems that the ones that get low lag with them pretty much correspond with what we’ve been finding here, so I would give them a shot, guys.
The only thing that really sucks is that you have to compare them one by one. You can’t search based on characteristics ;/
Almost sure, since I now found this review:
Sharp LC46LE821E/ LC40LE821E Quattron Review
It says:
"Console Gaming
In its standard modes, the amount of input lag present on the Sharp LC46LE821E makes most games all but unplayable, but fortunately, changing the [AV Mode] to ?GAME? results in the polar opposite: lag of only 19ms, which makes games absolutely excellent fun to play on this screen. Most 2010 LCD displays lag around 30-40ms, so Sharp?s figure of just under 20ms is a remarkable achievement."
and
“Benchmark Test Results
[…]
Input lag 19ms in ?Game? [AV Mode] compared to lag-free CRT”
edit:
The 50" 3D Panasonic Plasma TX-P50VT20 is reported to even have only 17ms input lag:
But the Sharp LC46LE821E (=LC46LE820E in Continental Europe) is cheaper and less power consuming due to it being an LED LCD.
Just read there’s also a 52" version of the Sharp LED LCD (see post above).
The Sharp LC52LE820E. No reviews for it, but the 46" version has 19ms input lag.
I’m thinking about getting the Evo monitor, but I have one question before I do. Is there a way to connect PS2 to it? If not then I’ll save some money to buy a TV instead.
Think maybe you need one of these:
But the upconversion requirement from a ps2 to a 1080 native panel will introduce lag like hell iirc. Don’t they play 3S on CRT monitors still at tourneys?
Very close in buying a VE247H.
Just haven’t found any information at all on it, has anyone have any experience with it yet?
Anyone know which system and minutes setup they used in the recent MVC3 CES 2011 Secret Party?
From the bids it looks to be the alienware?
i just bought Asus VW266H, im soooo happy with the quality.
Did you do a lag test with a CRT with it?"
Good question, might get answered if asked as a new thread.
So are there any known TVs in the 55"+ range with low input lag?
I went to some local store today and brought my XBOX and stick to test out their Samsung UN55C6300 55" 1080p LEDTV, as well as a newer 3D model of the same specs. Both had similar input lag and it wasn’t as good as I wanted.
With HDMI, the lag was so horrible I couldn’t even do basic Cammy bnb’s (j.hk, c.mk, spiral). I even messed with the settings a lot and made sure to turn off any unnecessary settings like noise reduction, motionplus and whatnot.
With VGA, the lag was less than half of the HDMI and at least playable (could do links like her cl.mp, c.mp, spiral or sako combo), but it still felt like it had a bit more lag compared to a much older 32" 720p LCD Samsung I’m using now.
yo dot. Im not coming down on you but i think the reason why the lcd lagged behind the crt is because the wii can only display 480p which is way lower than the lcds native resolution I imagine.I dont believe its the fault of the hdbox pro. Lag from lcds are also caused from games not being displayed in the lcds native resolution since it has to process the lower resolution image. test it again but dont use the wii. The ps3 has a browser if u have one. But first test the actual monitor lag with the same website on a pc and not a console with your monitor at its native resolution.
The only problem to your theory it the LCD is getting a 1080P signal from HD Box and the CRT is getting the 480P. So the LCD doesn’t have to scale
So it can’t be the lower resolutions fault, and anyway I have tested my LCD thoroughly at all resolutions. At its native 1080P it is Zero lag well over 50% of the time and it only goes up to 2ms. Now at 480P its average lag is around 4ms and 5-10% of the time it will still hit 0ms. I am doing this with SMTT which is very accurate not FlatpanelsHD which can show zero lag, which is done frame by frame so you could have 15ms of lag and it not show. I also did 112 pictures with FlatpanelsHD and 108 were zero lag, 4 were 1 frame. Average that out and you get less than 1ms of lag and this was done at 480P, But like I said FlatpanelsHD is not as accurate as SMTT.
I liked your idea and switched the two monitors around giving the HD Box Pro the CRT. Guess what came up with? The CRT and HD Box lagging behind the LCD by 22ms on average, which is the exact same numbers I came up with if you then add in the LCD’s 4ms 480P lag, because the LCD is now getting a 480P signal directly from the Wii, not a upscaled 1080P like on my first test.
So then I decided to test the HD Box Pro at sending out 480P so it didn’t have to scale. I then came up with 19ms of lag. Which seems pretty good to scale in 3ms.
Needless to say I am now 99% convinced that the HD Box Pro has around 26ms of lag. After doing three different test and them all coming up the same.
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Here are two different pictures of the HD Box Pro with CRT lagging the LCD by 32ms. That is two frames of lag that it is adding to the CRT.
So yes the HD Box Pro will add input lag of just less than 2 frames on average.
I think the talk about upscaling lag is over done. Just a very small amount of lag comes from upscaling. I have tested several displays and have found that upscaling is not really a major problem. I would say that most displays can upscale easily in under 1/2 a frame. My LCD does it in about 4ms from 480P to 1080P. The HD Box Pro looks like it scales around 3ms(but I have never tested it with SMTT so the accuracy is questionable). It is other factors like frame buffering and picture processing that are causing the bulk of most peoples lag.
On the flip side, it is possible to have a crappy scaler that lags a lot, but it is just not likely.
Ok cool. i was just curious about the whole thing. Your test seems pretty accurate. now im kinda skeptical about buying a vga box cause i dont want to introduce any lag into my gaming. I use the mayflash vga cable with my ps3 on a 22in crt monitor and it works excellent but i wanted a vga box since you can use more consoles with it. but anyway its retarded that you have to go through all this trouble just to game properly lol.
I have a PS3 and an 360 hooked up to a SONY Bravia 32EX400, 360 works fine with no noticeable lag but my PS3 has to be set up to output 480p or 720p to have no lag with SSF4 or HDR, if If I set it up to Output 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p those Games will lag, is this Normal?
Edit
My PS2 works fine when i play 3rd Strike.