Team builder enabled on PBE!
Diving in with Support Malz!
Two afk’ers. They didn’t like the team???
Ward trinket + teleport. Hilarity ensues. I ganked my own lane from the river as support Singed.
Man new champ is Mitsurugi, going in Day One.
This game is going to suck dick until next patch.
My brain has not adjusted to the new support. I’ll chase them thinking they can’t do much, then they turn and shit out damage.
For me so far, jungle is insanely passive early on. They’ve been wanting that for a while, but it’s to the point where you have to get some sort of gold generation item to keep up and attempting to gank early will set you back or be extremely risky. Buffing supports, weakening early jungle and adding free wards seems a bit too much all together.
I am so confused lol.
Woah its like everyone forgot how to play the game. Call me when S4 starts zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…
Ok I have only played 2 games so I won’t make the statement jungling is dead but I will say it looks to have competition. I go top get our red/blue with my support this gets me lvl 2 with a buff we then ward there opposing buff. Crush the lane 2v1 and there is nothing a 1 buff jungler can do. Bot takes our other buff so we have 3 buffs and a guaranteed winning lane.
On top of that we both have more gold than there too and jungle and are up on levels. With that broken ass shield item giving us way too much gold and free wards I am not seeing enough positives to run jungle atm.
People didn’t forget. They just know they need to try new stuff out. At least that’s how it feels in my games.
Targon is definitely too good right now and will need to be adjusted, but for now, that seems to be more efficient? We had an Elise jungle start Targon and feed their Teemo red buff then 2v1 our Riven. We still won…but Riven had to eat shit for the entire early game while I just farmed up. I was raping that Teemo later in the game though…as Taric. His new passive is ridiculous if you get low enough CD. You can cycle his spells endlessly.
don’t care for the 2-1-2 setup… they really need to limit targon to 1 per team.
up the gold and xp from early jungle. every season they claim jungle will be better and now it isn’t even viable.
Honestly, farm jungle is viable. Coming into the end game, I feel as strong or stronger than the enemy team. The issue is that no one in their right mind wants to sit around in the jungle just farming camps for 20 minutes then ganking if an opportunity presents itself. Jungle is supposed to be able to affect the lanes and the flow of the game. It doesn’t have that potential anymore except for a few jungler it seems. Nocturne will probably see more play, since he’ll be a decent farmer and has the ability to bypass all the warding by turning into a cruise missile.
Targon/Relic is fucking stupid. How does this even manage to make it into the live environment?
Yeah I was skeptical about the 2-1-2 setup and then I saw it in action 
I initially liked Targon’s as a support since zomg money+heals with non healing champions. I also really liked it when the adc got it too. But then having virtually everyone get it?
Aside from that item, I’m kind of meh with the jungle changes. Gold difference isn’t that much, exp difference is noticeable though. Trinkets and no buff->buff lvl 3 ganking is making me have to adjust a lot
The thing that is still irking me right now is that people still forget that there is a ward limit. I’m having people get the ward trinket, forgetting to put down wards, and ask the support why they are dropping ONLY 3 wards on the map.
What are you running with Taric jungle? How does it compare to s3 initial rework Taric?
S3 Taric was too strong in jungle. Then he got reworked, which toned him down a lot. Not worth jungling him anymore at that point. Now…I’d say back up closer to where he was pre rework S3. You’ve traded off some of his burst damage since they removed/toned down AP ratios for him, but they traded that for his ridiculous new passive of your auto after a spellcast doing extra damage based on % of your armor and -2 sec CD on all spells. There’s no CD on that passive, so you can stun, auto, ult, auto, shatter, auto, heal, auto, stun, auto, shatter, auto…etc. Much more consistent damage (and healing) instead of the burst. At one point, I chased Teemo down then ran back out of their base with 3 of them on me just by cycling my spells and autoing between running until Wukong could get there, then turned and fought. He also benefits from that defensive point that gives more healing below a certain HP %, so using Imbue on yourself gives a significant heal before you die.
His clear time isn’t spectacular early on since the creeps are harder and his damage was nerfed, but that changes as you get more levels in W and once you get golem. You can then hit up the smaller camps for an easy W, auto, E (big creep), auto, wait then W combo to clear easy and get dat gold value from your new passive. I’ve played him twice and gone 9/2/15-20 with him both times, so it’s looking good so far. I don’t even bother ganking early though. Dazzle’s stun length change means you struggle to even get over to the champ to do damage unless your laner also has hard CC. It’s better off to farm and get your GP jungle item and boots imo.
Edit - This was running 0/21/9 and going machete 5 pot, Golem, Boots, Glacial. From there it’s up to you to determine what you need to build. I did Freezy Fist/Aegis/Spirit Visage etc.
They made the jungle better as in you actually get money, they purposely and correctly got rid of blisteringliy fast level 3 junglers with double buffs ganking people who have no real chance to do anything about it. I don’t think Jungle is going anywhere, even with Targon, and definitely not if it gets nerfed. The roam and objective control is too strong and comparing the gold values of a double targon lane support vs jungler in some high elo matches I’m watching the gold is about the same.
I was thinking you could play new jungle as a pseudo double top? So, leash the jungler but have him sit top and just have him periodically go and get buffs. then get that gold sharing item. Isn’t there also a new utility mastery that shares gold?
There’s Greed, which is GP10, and something else that gives melee champs 15 more gold on kill/assist and ranged champs 3 gold on hitting an enemy champ.
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Just a good game I had. S4 is really freaking weird. Not sure if I like all the changes yet. All For One is a fun mode though
I don’t know anyone really cares for this but I post this here anyways.
Korean solo Q ranking or something like that. They have more ppl in silver than bronze. Stay free NA.
If I remember correctly, so does the NA.