The (Mod-Approved) Skullgirls Tier/Theory Discussion Thread

Discussion and thought processes are emergent.

It’s just as interesting to see what people think at first, and how that opinion changes as the game grows as it is to figure out what’s top tier and whore it out… actually it’s substantially more interesting.

This kind of discussion is a process.

Firebranded, if you do that the terrorists win!

Wow at everyone getting all uppity that there’s a tier thread this early. Let me break down why you should take the stick directly out of your butt.

  1. Tier threads can help people with match-ups. If I see “Parasoul is God-Tier”, guess what I’m gonna do? Learn how to deal with Parasoul. Even early.
  2. Tier threads can spark development. I usually play low-tier characters, just how I roll. So, if I see Peacock is low-tier, imma probably play her. This makes one more person trying to develop that character. Maybe that character will start moving up the ranks. If she does, then the metagame might change, and the game stays fresh and interesting.
  3. Tier threads are fun. Self-explanatory. There’s a General Discussion thread in every forum. Why? Because typing is fun. Let people type about tiers here. It’s just what people wanna do.

If you’re worried that tier threads tarnish the immaculate game that is Skullgirls, just like every White Knight hates every tier list over in the KOF forum for whatever reason (even to the point where they were retarded enough to called Bala and The Answer fraudulent because OMG LEONA IS TOTALLY NOT LOW TIER), don’t be. Skullgirls isn’t immaculate. It’s not the second coming. It’s a fucking video game. Play it, talk about it, and if the bouncing titties are your thing then fap to it. Lord knows most of the characters are designed for it. But don’t come in here like you’re the Spanish Goddamned Inquisition.

Back on topic, this WILL need some sort of organization and some ground rules. I mean, take Peacock. Seems like she sucks hard by herself, but with proper assists she could annoy assist-less teams, whereas Parasoul just kills teams hard by herself.

I would be more than happy to :D!!! I will be online tonight, are you down for some games? (please take it easy on me :()

I’ll give it a couple more days, if conversation doesn’t improve I’ll request this thread be deleted.

LOL mad jelly on here already. Yes i do agree it is quite early for tier list, but the main point of such discussion is to state your reasons and your opinions on why such a character is good and such, i see nothing wrong with that. I myself actually came here to read some early impressions of characters, (which i did get to see some informative posts), but it seems some people like to get all jelly and ruin the discussion topics for others. Any who i should be picking up this game tomorrow, can’t wait to play :slight_smile:

Marrow is OP capcom please nerf k thx :tup:

There are character threads to learn about characters. Read them. A general thread for discussion about the game, something I am sure is easily ready and avail in the SG forum for you to read.

A tier thread is people guessing where they think people rank on a list of character quality, something NO ONE can even begin to guess at right now. No one has a problem with character threads and general discussion but tier threads arn’t general discusssion, they are rank threads and no one can be ranked right now, games not even a week old.

honestly a tier thread this early only stunts grows because scrubs will come into the thead read Blah Blah is god tier and then all will flock to that character and then your gonna have to deal with a swarm of people playing peakcock or Parasol because you scrubs claim shes god tier already.

Nobody ever thought marrow was good :stuck_out_tongue:

News flash: We do play the fucking game :tup:

This is why we like discussing it. Key word: DISCUSSION

I have no idea why you come around here if it is just going to give you an aneurism. Yes all this talk is very pre mature but all it is is merely discussion. No one is saying HERE IS MY TIER LIST ALL THIS IS 100% fact.

My personal list could end up the exact opposite of what it is currently. I dont care, I like discussing what is and isnt good. It is what fascinates me about fighting games. There are tools that are better than others and then the human factor comes into play. Discussing the tools and arguing what is better in what situation is exciting and fun.

Except for it isn’t, really. How long has this game been played at events now in nearly its full form? Almost a year? It’s not like MVC3 where we got to see it for a bit at Evo one year and then wait 8 months to see what Capcom would actually give us.

second best in the game
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg294/scaled.php?server=294&filename=list.png&res=landing

No.

It doesnt stunt anyone’s growth. If you honestly think people are like “OMG SRK TIER THREAD!!! I am going to abandon the character I like and use the #1 character on peoples list!!!” then you are completely delusional. Sure there are tier whores in this world raises hand but a lot people use the character they like and will stick with them regardless of how much a certain fighting game forum thread shits on them.

Seriously, why are you getting all worked up over simple discussion?

Relax dude. There is another tier thread that will undoubtedly post a tier list within a proper amount of time and follow all “your” rules for such a thread.

I came in here because i was curious to see early impressions of the game. It’s become a tier list bitch thread now thanks to the likes of you

Second on the list, but if you read, her rating is ‘3.5’, which is below average (that image is tiny, but average seems to be 4.0).

Edit: Not that that list isn’t nutso, but that’s a different discussion :stuck_out_tongue:

So you’re assuming that they will simply agree if so and so is god tier, lol people are not that blind Like i said before in my last post this is all just opinions, and there are people who will disagree and such. This is why we have such topics, people play the game and give their respected opinions about the characters based off of their experience. This is what i come here for, i’ve been reading peoples opinions, and i will get the game tomorrow and later on give my perspective on their opinions and how i feel. Its just a discussion thread dude.

For those unknowing, this is what an idiotic post looks like! :smiley:

Let’s do a mini dissection! (Yay, experiment!)

First off, do you notice how he’s calling other people’s opinions about the game bullshit, and then goes on to give his own? Secondly, he goes on to talk about how high-level play doesn’t exist yet, and that tier lists are based specifically off of peak level abilities. These are key notes, so keep them handy as we move.

Now, there’s always a lot of talk about tier lists when new games come out. Tier lists are a good way of seeding the obviously bad and obviously good characters, so the communities have a decent idea of where they should begin real progression into the metagame. The Tier List is a representation of current high level play, tactics, and tournament wins with characters. I’m sure you all know that!

But, that doesn’t mean tiers won’t exist in the start! The** current metagame** is a representation of what the players have to offer the game’s mechanics, and by basing your wins/loses vs the wins/loses of others, combining obvious potential (Which includes spacing, footsies, damage output, safety, speed, and more!) with player’s immediate abilities, you should have enough preliminary information to create a tier list. By taking the relevant information, you can then assess and form a listing of the characters in which people assume are the best, leading down to the worst.

Most commonly, in the beginning, players will group up characters, as their individual potentials are more-than-likely not met. This is important, as some characters will have uncommon set ups for reset potential (Sakura, Vanilla SF4), amazing zoning and keep away (Morrigan, UMvC3) or a moveset that seems lackluster at first but turns out to be extraordinary. (Spencer, MvC3.)

Where that leaves us, is four days into a new game, we have enough people attempting to tear the game’s mechanics apart to have an early idea of which characters are slightly more suited for top tier than others.

I think few people would argue that Cerebella’s potential and damage output is amazingly high, coupling with the fact that she has two mighty strong assists. She definitely has my vote for best.

I would also like to point out that I think solo teams are hot garbage. In two weeks, I think they’ll be extinct. (At high level play, at least.) Duo teams will more than likely be the way too go, or double point / assist, a’la MvC2/3.

My current list: (And I will take assist and DHC into play here. Both are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.)

Top Tier:
Cerebella
Valentine
Double

High Tier:
Painwheel
Filia
Peacock
MissFortune
Parasoul

I know, Para is good, blah blah blah. She’s too easily pushed into the corner, and slammed on. If she doesn’t have a good assist, she has no choice but to use that wanna be Captain Commando move, that will more than likely get her punished by strong lock down. Her loops are duckable, her resets are easily teched. I think as time goes, she’s going to evolve, but as of right now, you just have to avoid j.HP and punish when she attempts to setup, and you’re in there.

Double’s hornet bomber assist on top of the fact that she has probably the two best DHCs in the game make her the best anchor in the game, to me, right now. Hornet Bomber is doing 2100 flat, and is largely unstuffable for the most part. Alpha countering to her to ward off corner pressure and canceling into the kitty helpers is way too strong and safe. Bionic Car (I don’t care what it’s really called, get a life.) has to be the best DHC in the game. I’ve never seen it miss. But let’s not forget the fact that her grab is probably the best in the game (or tied with Val’s) and she has a ton of tools to keep her safe. Her damage isn’t anything to scoff at, either.

Valentine has easily the best mixup potential! But I’m gonna gonna put my strategies on blast before I go to a tournament!!!

(keep in mind, this tier list is based on my experiences and what I’ve seen in game. Not in training mode, unless I can see the video and confirm the moves aren’t duckable, taggable, or techable.)

The hell are you talking about? You can go to that thread in the KoF section and see BALA’s explanation for his list and other people explain the character’s tools and options compared to other characters and explain why saying Leona is “worst in the game” (not low tier) is wrong.

There was NO explanation for people’s list in here.

KoF is also a sequel to an established franchise and console KoF XIII is the 2nd iteration of KoF XIII.

Skullgirls is BRAND NEW IP, people at the crawling point and making tier list without any explanation for it.

Nice, it seems that its been generally accept that cerebella is really really good, yea for me :smiley:
Cant wait to play tomorrow, i also like valentine’s mixup potential as well

Damn RSG3 going HAM in this thread.

LOL@ All these people trying to put a positive spin on this thread when Mr.X himself is saying it’s dumb.

You can’t control what other people post in your thread;

List dumps to actual discussion are about 1:1 really, unfortunatly, people bitching and responding to bitching (ironically including this post) are the other 3 quarters.

Edit: No offense to him, is Mr. X somebody especially special? ><