Peacock weak? Some people are just on crack, or have never seen the true horror of Double butt + Peacock.
My top 3 right now are Painwheel, Peacock, Ms. Fortune btw.
I’m just quoting this post to demonstrate why it’s a very bad idea to call a team of 2 different characters “Doubles”; especially in a game where one of the characters is named Double. If you’re going to call a single character a Solo, and a team of 3 Trio, then it only makes sense to call 2 a Duo. Double would imply two of the same character, or the character named Double.
It also seems like the game was designed to counter a clear tier list. You have characters that do extremely well solo, others that have a more obvious disadvantage solo, but when you have so many options of team size it takes the “this character better than the others” mentality away. Sure you can try to make a tier list based on solo vs solo, but when a character truly shines on a team then what? You have a tier list with characters in multiple classes depending if their on a team or not? (ex: S tier: Solobella, Double/Peacock… F tier: solo Peacock)
Sure you can try to make a tier list based on Solo, but that would only apply to solo vs solo.
It seems that the best this thread can do is point out who does well in what team size and what their good assists are. Particularly strong moves and assists perhaps?
Also- Double’s dash towards Painwheel during flight = free combo. Double’s dash towards any incoming rushdown usually = free combo. I’m actually suprised to hear so much about Double’s butt yet nothing of her dash. Double for S tier.
s tier
peacock (goes the best with best assist, teleport, fullscreen confirm into significant enough damage)
double assist (best assist)
a tier
parasoul (next best assist, great to dhc into to heal point char, has defensive options to stall for healing peacock, can corner combo after dhc, one of the best teammates)
valentine (the next best dhc into, tricky character, well balanced in general)
cerebella (lot of options, some of the best mixups and damage, has a hard time vs peacock though)
b tier
painwheel (can fly to avoid assists, flying, everything that comes with a flight character, can’t safely dhc into without 3 bars for install)
filia (can try to avoid assists, fast, can’t reliably safely dhc into, updo is a pretty decent assist)
fortune (pretty complicated, but gameplay is easier with double assist. not the most useful assists, her antiair assist isn’t that impressive. has tons of room to improve, but seeing as she has 2 modes and she has significant mutually exclusive tools in the 2 it makes her much harder to play than the other characters. obviously she has tons of room to grow as do the other characters)
Why would her dash be useful? Genuinely curious.
So the one character that can completely not give a fuck about that uber double assist that opens up black holes is B tier? Alright now.
This is pretty much how I feel also. One character that can fly around and duck under all but 2 of the strongest AAA’s regularly (HP Updo and Napalm Pillar) and another character that when optimized is going to be able to do one of everything and control all areas of the screen and bring what I consider so far top 2 or 3 assist in the game.
Valentine’s good but people are hopping on her shit too much. Yes she has one gdlk air normal…ok now get over it. She’s going to have to develop a lot more tech than that especially with those sub par special moves.
Double is good. Strong assist, strong options on point. Nothing that can’t be taken care of so far with the right team assists/characters but whatever she’s good.
Filia is definitely underrated IMO and I’m sure shenanigans with her hairball special and assists will come about. Her pressure with the high/low and assist crossover is definitely unmatched so far minus one or 2 other characters. Having an invincible DP on point always helps too. Get a nice projectile special to control space also so she’s not just purely rushdown.
Peacock is really strong. I’m sure her with double assist is really good but I don’t see anything about it that’s completely overwhelming yet.
Ms. Fortune is really slept on for a bunch of reasons that I will get into some other time.
Cerebella is the best grappler that I’ve seen in a long time. How that will pan out by herself/stocked with assists…we’ll see.
Firstly I will use the wording I will use.
Definitely not if she’s charging j.HP hatred guard and definitely not if she has napalm pillar or HP updo assist.
In this thread… Painwheel is B tier because she’s best on point (weak DHCs). No other faults listed.
so… play her on point, and she’s not B tier
That’s what I decided to do before the game came out. Seems to work so far.
agreed!
A good Tier list format
Solo:
S/goddess (SFIV Sagat)
A/high
B/mid
D/low
F/lower (Dan)
Duo:
Above
Trio:
Above
Disclaimer: trio is gonna be a bit messy.
These tiers are gonna be like the tier fiasco in CVS2. Not gonna be stable for a few years… 8 more characters are said to come too…
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Besides if you need to get her in you can put her on an assist normal with super armor, cross counter and hold the super armor…
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I dont know what to think of teirs. I’m more cocern for match ups than this. But if i had to guess I’ll say filia and painwheel is looking weak. True both have respectable gameplay but what it takes to start them is difficult task and these are character that if they lose their momentum, they’ll have hard time getting it back.
Valetine is borderline next too them but versatility make her cope able.
other pretty much always have the neutral game advantage.
How does everyone feel about the Cerebella/peacock matchup?
Honestly, I don’t thnk it’s as bad for Cerebella as some people claim. Rush punches and command run eat neutral game peacock for lunch. The only time peacock has a true, overbearing advantage is when Cerebella is at fullscreen, but t
It’s actually kinda tough to keep her there due to cerebellas overall mobility.
That, and diamond reflector fucks up any argus agony shenanigans, One of peacocks scariest threats on incoming opponents.
Tiers ARE matchups… we just count the matchups and put them in an order afterwards.
As far as I’m concerned, everyone’s equal in the solo arena. Everyone’s got strengths and weaknesses, and everyone’s got ways to exploit them. The real game’s going to played with teams.
But honestly… Maybe we have a game here where player style will matter more than which character you use. This would be a very interesting turn, and one I would welcome. Forget about picking which character’s the strongest, and just go with what you feel compliments you best. That would be awesome.
In terms of pure 1v1 fights with my solo Peacock (yeah yeah I’m stupid I know) I find Cerebella to be the opponent that intimidates me the most. If I focus on item dropping her she can charge through everything. The counter to this would be to GARBAGE DAY her ass, but if she DOESN’T charge she can reflect a projectile with 623LP instead which will stagger me for about ten minutes. I’m still trying to figure out the right way to go about this fight.
I’m playing theory fighter here, but I think next solo Cerebella I run into I’ll try for a pressure based on s.HP>QCB+MP(hold)>QCF+(HPx3) or QCF+ LK or QCF+HK (depending on her next move). This could potentially cover her reflect/charge/jump in options.
The only other solo character who can do a whole lot about this pressure from fullscreen is Miss Fortune with her head staring at my ass, but that’s not as big of an issue.
I must stress again that I run solo Peacock so I wouldn’t be too shocked if R. Mika buttslam+Peacock shuts her down very hard.
High tier:
Bella
Peacock
Filia
Valentine
Lower tier:
Painwheel
Ms fortune
Double
Parasoul
Also, everyone saying that Painwheel is low tier is basically confirming that she is this game’s SENTINAAAAL
even if painwheel can fly over double while calling double, she has to respect peacock’s anti air projectiles and parasoul’s space control.
she might be better than valentine, i don’t know.
Yo, if Severin is saying Parasoul is dumb
she must be godlike
Are we playing different games? Painwheel is godlike with a strong assist backing her so I really fail to see how she is below average in this game. I have yet to encounter any player that can block all my crap that I throw out and the only losses I have are from when I was trying bigger more damaging combos before I had them mastered.
Also I hope I’m not the only one using make shift fatman reset during combos with Peacock. I know I’m not doing it the best but at some point I’m sure some vid will come out with some crazyness involving that.
not necesarily
you can have a F tier character that rapes an A tier character in their matchup, but you cant see it in a tier list format since one is a and another F
also, in some occasions, some tiers arent build around a matchup table
imo before making a tierlist the players should be focusing on the matchup table