dana white can’t do anything about judging bcuz it’s regulated by athletic commissions and really if it wasn’t set up the way it is mma would still be illegal in most states.
Machida vs Jackson has brought a new issue to MMA judging and scoring. What I mean is what justifies a 10-8 round? There is no set in stone measure to clearly define it from a 10-9 round. Is it based off of how the earlier rounds were won or should a list of clarifications be made? Either way this has given Sherdog some new ammo to support the Pride version of scoring. As in judging the entire fight as a whole instead of by rounds. Surely Jackson won the first two rounds but it was by an incredibly small margin, while Machida won the third round in dominating fashion basically making it the most important part of the entire match. So under the 10 point must system Jackson obviously won, but under the Pride system Machida would have won.
Personally I’m on the fence for either scoring system.
EDIT:
One thing that I am entirely against is yellow cards. I feel that if a fighter is contracted to a certain amount of money for a fight it should not be altered mid way through the fight. It basically gives the UFC a way to legally breach contract if they feel like undercutting some of it’s fighters. Fighters have enough distractions as is, making them take reckless risks in fear of yellow cards shouldn’t be added to that list.
**SRKMMAFFL UFC 123 Rampage vs Machida. Results **
Light Heavyweight bout: Quinton Jackson Rd 3 Decision
Lightweight bout: B.J. Penn Rd 1 KO
Middleweight bout: Maiquel Falcão Rd 3 Decision
Light Heavyweight bout: Phil Davis Rd 2 Submission
Lightweight bout: George Sotiropoulos Rd 2 Submission
Spike TV Preliminary Card
Welterweight bout: Brian Foster Rd 2 Submission
Middleweight bout: Mark Muñoz Rd 3 Decision
Bacardi Pts
Big House Pts
Black Jesus 15 Pts
Bobo Glory Pts
Calibur 12 Pts
Draeger 14 Pts
Eiji Pts
El Chupa Negro 6 Pts
Gimpy 9 Pts
JSN723 14 Pts
KimuraLox 13 Pts
Kowtowrobinson 12 Pts
Limegreenpotato 13 Pts
Maxx 11 Pts
Mecha-Shiva 8 Pts
Nikkos_010 7 Pts
Pat the Great 13 Pts
Puff 13 Pts
Radiant93 Pts
Rampage 17 Pts
Rickstah Pts
Rock Bogart 16 Pts
Rugal_B Pts
Songo[KTHX] 18 Pts
Spudlyff8fan Pts
Strike_Prime 12 Pts
Tharimrattler Pts
TheEvilChinaMan Pts
The Majestic Pts
Thurst Pts
Toddler316 Pts
Vejita_X Pts
Zeon The Unborn pts
Current Standings
Bacardi 0 Pts
Big House 33 Pts
Black Jesus 58 Pts
Bobo Glory 12 Pts
Calibur 51 Pts
Draeger 53 Pts
Eiji 3 Pts
El Chupa Negro 6 Pts
Gimpy 47 Pts
JSN723 46 Pts
KimuraLox 49 Pts
Kowtowrobinson 55 Pts
Limegreenpotato 41 Pts
Maxx 41 Pts
Mecha-Shiva 47 Pts
Nikkos_010 34 Pts
Pat the Great 44 Pts
Puff 43 Pts
Radiant93 16 Pts
Rampage 54 Pts
Rickstah 3 Pts
Rock Bogart 58 Pts
Rugal_B 3 Pts
Songo[KTHX] 44 Pts
Spudlyff8fan 3 Pts
Strike_Prime 44 Pts
Tharimrattler 3 Pts
TheEvilChinaMan 3 Pts
The Majestic 16 Pts
Thurst 21 Pts
Toddler316 25 Pts
Vejita_X 18 Pts
Zeon The Unborn 3 pts
To be continued. To drunk to finish this now.
rounds aren’t judged relative to each other and they shouldn’t be since it defeats the purpose of round by round judging in the first place and also makes judging even more subjective than it already is. the alternative to the current system is to judge the fight as a whole or to change the criteria that fights are supposed to be judged on.
machida didn’t almost stop rampage or even drop him from a punch. those are things that warrant even thinking about giving someone a 10-8 round.
it really sounds like most of you want to make judging even more subjective and a clusterfuck than it already is. the problems with mma judging (as i see them) are judges are scared to score rounds 10-10 and the criteria they use is too general and weighted towards “octagon control” amounts to “takedown = autowin” too often. the 10-10 issue is somewhat understandable since there would be WAY more draws but that’s really a limitation of using the 10 point must system for a 3 round bout than anything.
honestly, rampage/evans was a closer fight than rampage/machida and a better case to get rid of the current scoring system.
No, what makes Japanese criteria easier is that the judges dont have to be transparent. They can just choose a winner in the end. Because of the American 10 point must system judges have to turn in their cards round by round. if a judge gives a 10/10 round they have to worry about inadvertently causing a draw. If resf gave 10/10 rounds like they should have been doing Machida would have won 30/29.
what is the fucking point of loser gets 9 or less points if the loser ALMOST ALWAYS GETS 9 POINTS.
those other points are there for a reason, judges are sheep for not using them.
Should be fairly obvious lol. Their signature move is banned under US rules.
Fights should be judged as a whole instead of by rounds and be based upon effective striking/grappling and attempts at finishing the fight.
the other points are there for fouls and knockdowns.
Bring back Mark Kerr.
Old school ufc.No weight divisions.
I want to see beatdowns like Pat Smith gave to the Ninja dude again.
Too many pussy foot rules in the ufc these days.
Scotch.
I’m just saying that the Pride rules allow judges to score without fear of screwing up.
The point must system works fine but judges have to worry about “buyer’s remorse” because they have to turn in their cards at the end of each round and because each round means so much.
If there were more 10/10 10/8 and 10/7 rounds than things would end up just like Pride.
Think about it. Even if you gave Rampage the first or second round should those rounds be equal to that of Machida’s last? No. Ideally, Rampage was 10/9 10/9 and Machida was 10/8. Or the first two rounds were 10/10 and the last was 10/9, either way their needs to be a way to differiantiate. Actually, there is a way, but it’s not used and that is because of the UFC’s (and by extension the athletic commissions) absolute fear of a draw. if they give one 10/10 and each fighter takes a round than the score is tied. A very plausible situation. And if a round is close enough to be 10/10 than the judges have to worry about wild scores coming from their colleagues.
Than there is the 10/8 10/7 rounds. Those should be scored A LOT more but again judges dont because they get in the way of the “entertianment” aspect. “Oh no! If I give him a 10/8 there is no way he can come back!” Dude, if you get 10/8 or 10/7’d than maybe you shouldnt come back unless you can finish your opponent.
Anyway, my point is if you give a guy a 10/8 round or 10/9 round in the first and than his opponent comes back and really puts it on you are stuck thinking “Jeez, now I gotta give his opponent a similar score even though he did better. I wish I hadn’t given out those first 10/8~10/9 rounds.” That’s what I mean by buyers remorse.
Pride rules took that away. A judge could watch a fight and say “that’s a 10/9 round” in his head but than see the other guy start to take over near the end of the second say
“well compared to the first round the second round was much more dominating. I change my mind. The first ten minutes were 10/10 10/10 and the last 5 minutes are 10/9 for the opponent leaving the opponent with a close but understandable decision. No one saw my cards for the first 10 minutes so I can just say they were 10/10 rounds when I actually had given them to my oppononent 10/9. No one knows though.”
In the US the judges have to turn their cards in each round so the judges can not give cards in comparison to earlier rounds. But if educated judges had balls (I’m talking to you Adelaide Byrd) and gave out scores the way they really saw them we would have more wild score cards, but those score cards would demonstrate what really went down in that fight.
Make sense?
Makes a lot of sense, but spectators don’t see the scores mid fight anyway. So the 10/8 round taking away the chance of a comeback wouldn’t automatically register for a while until people got used to it. Of course, a 10/8 and then two 10/9’s for the other guy and we’re back in draw territory, which is what some people feel Machida should have gotten. I’m still not sure why, no knockdown with strikes, no significant ground damage, and a failed armbar that almost got him Arona’d. So again, Rampage won a close fight. If Machida is smart, he’ll figure out that moving backwards and countering isn’t always gonna win you rounds and adjust, whether he feels it’s right or not.
i want roids to be allowed. watch how awesome shit would be with no restricted access to roids lol.
People still whining about Machida losing a fight…that HE LOST.
so tell me what would it take for a fighter to get a 10-1 round in your own rulebook.
i agree with this post and would vote for you if you were running for president of mma.
pride judged by the whole fight didn’t they? i know they had rounds but i’m pretty sure they just judged by the fight not the rounds.
and did you write hauex? is that supposed to be hoe?
Really? Did you really just ask that? Ugh.
honestly, you’re an idiot or doind damn good impersonation. you obviously don’t understand the concept of the system and are just haphazardly bitching. you sound like type to a watch tennis matches and and cry about how federer should be up 20-0 instead of 15-0.
so lets say everything u say about me is true.
i have a question for u in that case.
here it is: what would it take for a fighter to get a 10-1 round in your own rulebook?
get dominated and commit lots of fouls. BAM